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One of the founding principals of the Imperium and a prime human feeling is hate for all things Xenos. It is essentially law that any human, Space Marine, etc shoot and kill any Xenos on sight even irrationally because the Emperor wills it. If the Tau sends you a diplomatic envoy you kill it, if Orks freebooters suggest you hire them you kill it, if Eldar suggest you fight Chaos together you kill it. The Imperium of Man prides itself on relentless almost comically irrational hate for anyone who is not like them and xenophobia outdoing even the Nazis of human history.

SO HOW IN THE WORLD IS CREED/CELESTINE/SPACE WOLVES now working with Necrons, Dark Eldar, and worst of all the ELDAR? Fighting Chaos is no excuse for this unspeakable irredeemable heresy. The fluff has it so even the inquisitor is going along with this. Humans are naturally hateful mean vicious creatures. We clubbed all the Neanderthals to death on our own planet because they were so bloody ugly. We exterminated countless "peaceful/trading" Xenos civilizations during the Great Crusade along with the hostile ones because they were a threat even if they were at medieval age tech living in huts and we liked it. This is why all the other minor Xenos like space-mining Demurig and Kroot hate us because the Imperium/humans are insane genocidal murderers but we are proud of this. Be to human is to kill Xenos - because they are like parasites and cockroaches in the milky way galaxy that is only meant for beautiful humanity.

Is anyone upset that GW has ruined the fluff? The book even hints that the Astronomicon is ELDAR TECH? Wtf is this Heresy. Imperium would never rely on flithy Xenos technology as a centerpeice of humanity. 40k is ruined. This is complete bullcrap. Humanity is pure and holy we would never work with flithly Eldar, Dark Eldar, and the rest of them. All the previous times in the fluff it was only a temporarily alliance for extremely short periods and we planned to betray and kill them afterwards.

Are you guys happy with this heretical Necron/Eldar/Imperium alliance going on? I just can't.. Wow. I hope after Chaos is defeated, Imperium has a plan to butcher every single Eldar in their stupid glass-dome paradise city ships because this is such unspeakable heresy on the levels never seen before.

I thought I heard Fall of Cadia ends with the Imperium getting access to webway gates.

If this is true, it reinforces another Imperial maxim: take what the Xenos have and make it ours.

GW is not important enough to feel insulted.

A narrative Campaign they said. Narr ative. Narr... eine Kampagne für Narren.

Back on Track, I didn't buy any of this 7th ed Campaign stuff, so if they ruin the Background of 4ok I am going to ignore the whole fluff-heresy ASAP.

Humans work with Xenos all the time. It's a picking the lesser of two evils thing; they may be zealous xenophobes in general, but they're usually not stupid.

 n0t_u wrote:
Humans work with Xenos all the time. It's a picking the lesser of two evils thing; they may be zealous xenophobes in general, but they're usually not stupid.

We only work with them to kill them later though after they help us kill other Xenos at this moment. The fools muhaha. Right?

Well, from what I understand from the first book, the imperium aren't working with necrons in general, they're just being helped by one necron, trazyn.

And necron assistance isn't beyond the pale - the necron's aim for the galaxy is to eventually seal off the warp forever, and thus the necrons are incentivized to contain the eye of terror, and the best way to do that is to prevent cadia's destruction.

And as an aside, cadia was an ancient necron tomb world, and is home to several warp-sealing pylons. So, again, trazyn wants chaos to keep from spilling through.

As for the eldar, the just showed up at the end and basically said, "hey, if you don't want to blow up, come through this portal".

And like nOT_u said, imperium may be xenophobic, but they're smart enough to recognize help when it comes.


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You know, I've wondered this for a while: Was the emperor ultra-xenophobic? He probably saw humans as superior (what race doesn't consider themselves superior), and he did wage war against xenos for control of terrority, but I'm not sure if he did so out of outright hatred, or simply because they were in his way.

DorianGray wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Humans work with Xenos all the time. It's a picking the lesser of two evils thing; they may be zealous xenophobes in general, but they're usually not stupid.

We only work with them to kill them later though after they help us kill other Xenos at this moment. The fools muhaha. Right?

If you want to simplify it down to irrational hatred yeh. There's mutual respect at times.

The Imperium of the High Lords is a complete mockery and a treason of what the Emperor had in mind for humanity.

If only we could find a bunch of his sons to lead humanity into a golden age once more... I heard one of them is waiting for the writer to let him out of the Rock.

I've always thought the whole "always kill all aliens no matter what" was one of the more moronically stupid parts of the fluff, so no. I'm not upset.

Also both answers are basically the same, just two different ways of saying not happy with it.

I don't mind them working together (this time) but I don't want this to lead to some garbage super bros scenario where all the "good" races work together to defeat the big bads. GW's writing doesn't inspire me enough to think they will avoid that played out trope. More importantly the (I assume) eventual Orks involvement better not have them playing the henchmen/mook role for another faction.

 Vankraken wrote:
I don't mind them working together (this time) but I don't want this to lead to some garbage super bros scenario where all the "good" races work together to defeat the big bads. GW's writing doesn't inspire me enough to think they will avoid that played out trope. More importantly the (I assume) eventual Orks involvement better not have them playing the henchmen/mook role for another faction.

These are my thoughts too.

I don't like the Imperium willingly working with xenos but I can tolerate it as long as the promise of someone getting stabbed in the back (preferably the filthy arrogant Eldar) at the end of the day still exists.

"This will allow you access to the Webway, Mon'kiegh, use it to aid us in the fight against the great enemy"
"We thank you for your assistance, Eldar, but we shall never aid foul xenos creatures such as yourselves. The Emperor sends his regards."
"Uwawawawa....?"
<Bolter fire ensues>

When your head canon doesn't match the fluff, you will always get disappointed.
I think you have been reading too much 30k.

I just really hope that webway portal all the marines walked through led back to dungeon somewhere in Commoragh.

I'm quite happy, actually. I always hated blind hate for the xenos, the "Order" races should be able to stick together. My favorite Black LIbrary books usually have unlikely allies working together, so I was over the moon with Trazyn, (probably the best Necron, ever. Trollzyn is amazing) giving an hand and Eldars joining the fray.

And hell, the final battle according to Yriel's vision has all factions of Eldar and mankind fighting together, so we shall see if that vision comes true or not

There are multiple instances of this stuff in the fluff. Humans working with tau, orks for hire, etc... Its rarer but not unheard of when things are desperate.

Could the poll perhaps have an option of "yes, I am content with the fluff in fall of Cadia" rather than just two iterations of nope? Clearly their are people, as seen in this thread, who don't mind the collaberation.

I myself don't mind it: I could definitely see the Necrons, Dark Eldar, Eldar, etc. using the humans to rid themselves of the threat of chaos only to take advantage of the Imperium's weakened position after the war and I could see the desperate Imperium on the verge of the greatest war they have engaged in finally caving to Xenos help. Of course it doesn't matter either way, for in the end all will be chaos! MWAHAHAHAHA!

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:
I don't mind them working together (this time) but I don't want this to lead to some garbage super bros scenario where all the "good" races work together to defeat the big bads. GW's writing doesn't inspire me enough to think they will avoid that played out trope. More importantly the (I assume) eventual Orks involvement better not have them playing the henchmen/mook role for another faction.

These are my thoughts too.

I don't like the Imperium willingly working with xenos but I can tolerate it as long as the promise of someone getting stabbed in the back (preferably the filthy arrogant Eldar) at the end of the day still exists.

"This will allow you access to the Webway, Mon'kiegh, use it to aid us in the fight against the great enemy"
"We thank you for your assistance, Eldar, but we shall never aid foul xenos creatures such as yourselves. The Emperor sends his regards."
"Uwawawawa....?"
<Bolter fire ensues>

On one hand I don't want the "every good guy faction bands together to defeat every bad guy faction" scenario, and I want orks to stay orky. On the other hand I don't want any betrayal to be caused by lawful stupid obligations/shenanigans, but instead for a reason that highlights the relationship between the IOM and the xenos in an interesting way.

the xenophilia in this thread is truely at a nausea inducing level.

if they pull a sigmar with order, chaos, death, and destruction ill be very unhappy

There have been imperial/xenos team ups since adeptus titanicus days.

When an imperial titan force, outnumbered by Chaos opponents spotted unfamiliar titans approaching from a different direction - turned out to be Eldar, there to also stop Chaos.

"Make no mistake, human. We do not fight with you, we fight AGAINST Chaos."

So it's just another "alliance of convenience" that the fluff is full of. Besides, if the BA aren't too good to ally with necrons, then it's good enough for the others.

Lol, nope GW hasn't ruined their fluff. They just created an explosive situation in their grim dark fictional future.


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Obeying the law is for the working class and footsoldiers. Making dubious deals and being screwed over by them is the luxury of the elite ; )

I always liked the idea of the Imperium being desperate enough to throw in with all manner of Xenos species - helps ring home how dark things to come are going to be. Besides, it's not like they're going to work together if the Imperium ever makes it out of whatever GW has planned in the future in one piece.

Inquisition uses xenos all the bloody time, that's what Ordo Xenos radicals do.

The absolute moral superiority of the heart of the imperium and the ecclesiarchy are very different to the practical realities of the war fronts, especially when confronted by either of the big bads in Chaos or Nids.

As much as I have read into the situation on Cadia, it seemed more like bloody common sense than fluff ruining.

Necrons want to rule everything. Again. Can't do that if the warp (which they created fighting the C'Tan) is being a pain in the arse by allowing some crazy gak to come out of it.
Eldar and Dark Elder helping also is sense. They know more than any race the perils of chaos and the warp (they gave birth to Slaanesh, so I guess they don't want Humans doing the same mistake they did.)
If they add Orks, I'm hoping it's just because there will be one XBAWKS HEAUG fight. And Orks love fights!

In all, I think GW have pulled a blinder. While not to everyone's taste, it's certainly more thrilling than half the "universe ending stuff" that's happened the last 10+ years.
Just my 2 pence anyways.

This isn't really necon race who wants to rule anything as much as it is a single necron lord who sees the benefit of interacting with those idiots who keep messing with the containment devices meant to keep the horrific fallout of the last big war at bay.

DorianGray wrote:
One of the founding principals of the Imperium and a prime human feeling is hate for all things Xenos. It is essentially law that any human, Space Marine, etc shoot and kill any Xenos on sight even irrationally because the Emperor wills it. If the Tau sends you a diplomatic envoy you kill it, if Orks freebooters suggest you hire them you kill it, if Eldar suggest you fight Chaos together you kill it. The Imperium of Man prides itself on relentless almost comically irrational hate for anyone who is not like them and xenophobia outdoing even the Nazis of human history.

SO HOW IN THE WORLD IS CREED/CELESTINE/SPACE WOLVES now working with Necrons, Dark Eldar, and worst of all the ELDAR? Fighting Chaos is no excuse for this unspeakable irredeemable heresy. The fluff has it so even the inquisitor is going along with this. Humans are naturally hateful mean vicious creatures. We clubbed all the Neanderthals to death on our own planet because they were so bloody ugly. We exterminated countless "peaceful/trading" Xenos civilizations during the Great Crusade along with the hostile ones because they were a threat even if they were at medieval age tech living in huts and we liked it. This is why all the other minor Xenos like space-mining Demurig and Kroot hate us because the Imperium/humans are insane genocidal murderers but we are proud of this. Be to human is to kill Xenos - because they are like parasites and cockroaches in the milky way galaxy that is only meant for beautiful humanity.

Is anyone upset that GW has ruined the fluff? The book even hints that the Astronomicon is ELDAR TECH? Wtf is this Heresy. Imperium would never rely on flithy Xenos technology as a centerpeice of humanity. 40k is ruined. This is complete bullcrap. Humanity is pure and holy we would never work with flithly Eldar, Dark Eldar, and the rest of them. All the previous times in the fluff it was only a temporarily alliance for extremely short periods and we planned to betray and kill them afterwards.

Are you guys happy with this heretical Necron/Eldar/Imperium alliance going on? I just can't.. Wow. I hope after Chaos is defeated, Imperium has a plan to butcher every single Eldar in their stupid glass-dome paradise city ships because this is such unspeakable heresy on the levels never seen before.

Humanity and the Eldar have been connected, in terms of the fickleness of fate, since the Dark Age of Technology. It's just that now that is hitting the fan, some Eldar and Humans are realizing that. And it may be key to survival.


It's been assumed by many fans that the Astronomican was based on Eldar science (since it was a product of psychic technology) for the longest time. Ditto for the Imperial Webway Project.


As for Trollzyn's game, I don't know what his long term goals are. But I'm hoping that the Silent King (and other Necron lords) plays a role in the storm brewing up since Cadia fell.

The notion of extreme xenophobia has always been more of a guideline than an actual rule.

Fluff is rife with examples of the Imperium working with aliens, stealing their tech, or helping them when there's something to gain, and that's been the case for a long, long time.

As anyone can see from the poll results that NO ONE is happy with the fluff in Fall of Cadia. GW blew it AGAIN.

The Imperium needs to go back to raving genocidal racist murderers of aliens as they have always been and as the Emperor wills it. I hope this series ends with the extinction of the Eldar race with the human's taking over the Webway and hunting down all their craftworlds and destroying all their spirit stones.

Huh.

Oh.

Well then.

*Flies away*

Something tells me op is more xenophobic than anyone else in the imperium...you should become an inquisitor!

besides it doesn't help when you give no other option beside the negative ones. The poll is clearly bias in a "I am not happy and everything should go my way" sort of way.