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2017/01/25 14:24:27
Subject: Re:Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
Yeah that does help. Perhaps I need to re-read the Newcron fluff. Problem is that as soon as I start reading about Nemesor Zandrehk (or old-man-Creed as I like to call him) I burst a blood vessel...
I love the whole 'the nobility knew what they were doing' aspect of things. I've got a half-written fluff piece about a Cryptek that plays on that slightly:
Spoiler:
Research Notes, M65.39.874. Personal Encryption Alpha 1 Every so often, there will be a little glitch in a random Necron warrior. The faintest of oddities that cannot be explained through their programming. Most puzzling to the Crypteks.
Why do they insist on screaming when they're cut down in battle? Why is it that every so often, a warrior will pause at its reflection for no tactical benefit?
Are these simply echoes, persisting as faint reflections through the millennia, or are our people still in there somehow?
We were tricked. Uncountable years ago. Our lords and masters would stop at nothing to defeat their dreadful enemies the Old Ones. Every man, woman and child was sacrificed on the alter of war to bring victory. Victory for whom? Not me, certainly. Everything I was was taken from me on that day.
I will not rest until I bring my people salvation. Lords, Overlords, the Silent King himself. All those who annihilated my people will fall, and our echoes will have voice again.
I do think that the fluff for the Silent King should be a bit more sinister though. Everything you've said above is true, but doesn't come off properly from reading the fluff to him.
The last thing I struggle with about that is why the Necrontyr started trying to wipe out the Old Ones. The motivations given in the Newcrons codex seem pretty weak, if I'm brutally honest. 'We've got a civil war going on, so lets pick on the biggest nastiest people in the galaxy to unite against them!'. Seems petty and ill-thought-out (from the Silent King's perspective).
The little bit of headcanon above about Necrontyr being spurned experiments of the Old Ones fixes that
Anyway, this has gone waaaay of topic hasn't it :S
In answer to the OP: yes, if it ends up as a Grand Alliance. No, if they end up betraying each other post-haste
I'm fine with it. Blind faction hatred is fine for justifying in game conflicts I suppose, but really doesn't make for an interesting world. Allies are way more interesting and its not like we don't have justify mirror matches anyway.
2017/01/25 19:25:34
Subject: Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
Ouroboros0977 wrote: I'm more concerned about Trazyn's latent desire to be the very best like no one ever was.
Honestly it's all fine until he can use his silly Pokémon powers on the tabletop.
Also, I don't like the Silent King fluff either. It's bland and kind of goes against the whole "unknown monsters" vibe Necrons have going. Then again newcrons sort of killed most of that vibe as a whole.
40k drinking game: take a shot everytime a book references Skitarii using transports.
2017/01/26 10:20:53
Subject: Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
Ouroboros0977 wrote: I'm more concerned about Trazyn's latent desire to be the very best like no one ever was.
Honestly it's all fine until he can use his silly Pokémon powers on the tabletop.
Also, I don't like the Silent King fluff either. It's bland and kind of goes against the whole "unknown monsters" vibe Necrons have going. Then again newcrons sort of killed most of that vibe as a whole.
Yeah it's the 'unknown terrors of prehistory' thing that I miss with the Necrons. I loved the fact that we knew so little about them, beyond what was easily observable and what little made it through to Eldar myths. Perfect unknowable terror.
Now, we know so much about them there's no mystery left.
I'm a big proponent that information in 40k should be drip-fed, through little quotes and excerpts in codices (preferably from outside observers). Little hints are just so much more tantalising than big excerpts telling us exactly how things are (especially if what they are is Space Tomb Kings)...
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"Make no mistake, human. We do not fight with you, we fight AGAINST Chaos."
The actual quote "Make no mistake, human. We do not fight with you, we fight AGAINST Horus."
All their doing is pulling a Horus and saving their own skins. That way leads to damnation.
But its a sign of the times really.
Everyone love one another right now. Its cringe worthy and utterly despicable.
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2017/01/26 19:36:03
Subject: Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
I don't mind knowing stuff about the necrons. There was a quote from some lord or overlord where a human is praying to the god emperor or something and the necron says something along the lines of "Your god cannot save you, we killed ours."
Knowing about the C'tan and all that hasn't actually changed the necrons. For the most part to every member of the imperium they are still unknown horrible undead machines from ancient pre history. Very few of them have any motives that have them behave any different then they did before.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2017/01/26 19:52:34
Subject: Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
Yes I do. As a member of the Deathwatch it is my duty to hate and mistrust the xenos.
In all seriousness though yes. I loved the hate and conflict of the fight between IoM and xenos. It's why I got into xenos races in the first place the but hurt when the IoM fans see they got a loss int he fluff is hilarious. Especially the Tau's attemps at diplomacy which were rebuked so hard and now the IoM probably going to come crawling back.
It also makes the fight more entertaining from a narrative perspective. Now the Deathwatch make a lot less sense. Also I have a feeling in universe the Tau are a lot less willing to accept a truce deal with the IoM after the whole burning damocles in a burning hell proto warp storm chaos inferno.
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I voted no by accident dang it.
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2017/01/27 01:03:16
Subject: Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
Lance845 wrote: I don't mind knowing stuff about the necrons. There was a quote from some lord or overlord where a human is praying to the god emperor or something and the necron says something along the lines of "Your god cannot save you, we killed ours."
Knowing about the C'tan and all that hasn't actually changed the necrons. For the most part to every member of the imperium they are still unknown horrible undead machines from ancient pre history. Very few of them have any motives that have them behave any different then they did before.
Yeah that's sort of what I was trying to get at. It feels a lot cooler to learn about the Necrons form little quips and quotes like this. By all means expand a little beyond 'Your god cannot save you now, we killed ours', but keep the mystery. Not quite sure how far I'd pitch it towards the mystery side of things though, as a healthy background is good.
I'd probably stop short of telling people that the Necrons have teleporting police officers (Triarch Praetorians)...
Complete personal preference of course
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I am not familiar with this new fluff, but if they are working with various Xeno then why have the Orks been left out? why not just throw them all in there? Or are they telling us that the Orks are so hated that even in this desperate hour they will not stoop so low? Or were the Orks just not involved in this fight at all.
Either way as an Ork fanatic I feel saddened that the Orkies have been left out
'As long deres 'eads to bash and shootas to blast wif den we Orks is 'appy boyz
2017/02/03 02:57:27
Subject: Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
Meh.
As long as they do the humane thing and backstab them just before they actually win I don't mind an alliance with the Eldar, I can even tollerate the Orks...I'll turn my Wolves to Chaos before I tolerate an alliance with the Tau though.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
2017/02/03 04:16:02
Subject: Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
Having played a doubles event recently where the random draw paired a Deathwatch army with Harlequins in round 1 and with genestealers in round 2, nothing surprises me any more. (It's ironic that the pairings cover both of the boxed sets that featured the DW and an alien race) Seriously, some of the new fluff is getting pretty stupid, so I ignore it. Not only are the armies unbound, but so are the authors!
We'll see where this goes. I have the feeling the particular alliance will run into problems in future stories. I keep thinking about D.O.O.P. from Futurama when I see the unbound alliances on the table. If all of the Xenos races end up sitting around singing "Kumbaya" with the Imperium, does that mean that the Deathwatch is about to get squatted? I already refer to the Deathwatch captain in Kirk's army as "Zapp" I'm sure if Futurama was real, and 40k was also real, Zapp Brannigan would be in charge of Deathwatch. (Not sure where that would leave Kif)
That's all of the slightly humorous thoughts I can muster on the topic right now.
2017/02/04 07:50:36
Subject: Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
I like the fluff when it's fluid and nuanced rather than rigid and one dimensional. People can work with mortal enemies if there's some greater threat on the horizon, and it's in both their interests to stop the said threat - so yeah, I don't mind these temporary alliances. It's not like it's happy funtime friends all of a sudden, they'll be back to killing one another soon enough.
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2017/02/04 09:44:30
Subject: Re:Anyone insulted that the Imperium is working with flithly Xenos now in the fluff: Fall of Cadia?!!
I like the fluff when it's fluid and nuanced rather than rigid and one dimensional. People can work with mortal enemies if there's some greater threat on the horizon, and it's in both their interests to stop the said threat - so yeah, I don't mind these temporary alliances. It's not like it's happy funtime friends all of a sudden, they'll be back to killing one another soon enough.
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