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As the title says. Here are my thoughts. What are yours?

Numista's Casket of Electromancy is neat, and potentially really strong against a heavily mechanized enemy, but since artillery lines haven't been in meta for two editions now, I don't see this being relevant.

The Quantum Annihilator is a better SAG in many ways, but suffers from the same weakness: Unreliability. Two Plasmaguns or Grav Guns will serve you better most of the time.

The Sacrifactum Autorepulsor is where things start to get interesting. The ability to hamper charges and slow down assault armies is huge, and combined with a bit of terrain blocking or the right Mysterious Objective on a screening bliw, this could be potentially incredible for the 15pts for delaying and hampering assaults.

The Memento-Mortispex is probably going to see a ton of use in Centstars. Grav-Cannons with optional Skyfire is amazing, and while Monster/Tank Hunter wouldn't apply, it could also see great use in other applications - Retributor Squads, maybe, or something similar.

The Omnisiah's grace is interesting. It's a Storm Shield for models with a 4+ invuln, but it can't be bootstrapped by Psychic Powers and of course it denies your access to other relics. On a unit who wasn't already taking Relics (Say, a Cataphractii Terminator Captain,) it could be pretty great, if for no other reason than it's cheap and lets you get the +1 Attack for 2ccw.

The Autopurger is a tarpit clearer. That is all. For 25pts, you will almost certainly get your points back instantly against guardsmen, Gants, cultists and zombies, or any other armorless T3 hordes out there.
Even against something like a Tactical squad, you're looking at 1-2 free wounds.
ABSOLUTELY worth the cost of admission.


As for Ecclesiarchy relics:
The Skull of Petronella the Pious sucks. A 6+ Invuln is useless. If it gave Shield of Faith, maaaaybe it'd be worth it, but as it stands it's all-but-entirely pointless for its cost.

The Blade of the Worthy is nifty, at least. On most models wirth giving it to, 89% of the time you have a +2S Ap2 sword. Since that's far better than what Blood Angels get (Ap2 Master Crafted) and a bit better than Space Wolves (S+1 Ap2 Master Crafted), I could see it getting some use, but that 11% chance could be devestating if you fail it the one time you really need to take out some 2+ saves.

The Castigator is nice. It's not OP, and neither is it underpowered or useless - I think its biggest weakness is that it'll be hard to find a model to bring it on, since there are so many good relics and they're limited to one per model.

The Font of Fury is not bad for 10pts, and in fact it's pretty okay - But as with the Castigator, squeezing it in will prove tricky most of the time.

The Shroud of the Anti-Martyr is really cool, and I love the name. It costs the same as Saga of the Bear did in the old 5th Ed Space Wolves codex, and I absolutely intend to use it in the same way - A beefy ThunderWolf Lord who finally gets his Eternal Warrior back. (It's pricey on anyone else. A Chapter Master could use it, but when the Gorgons Chain or Shield Eternal are available, why bother?)

Lastly, Desvalle's Holy Circle. A 4+ Invuln is situational, since most relic-worthy models already have or can get one for cheap, but the anti-DS bubble could be great at preventing things like Raptors and Skyclaws from obliterating your back line. Taken on an Inquisitor seems to be the way to go, since they also normally lack any invuln, and it makes them into a hilarious sort of nega-Coteaz.

GW is all like: We don't want to sell any more ork boyz, gaunts, guardsmen or cultists!

 koooaei wrote:
GW is all like: We don't want to sell any more ork boyz, gaunts, guardsmen or cultists!

I was about to say that I don't think it's too bad, because with T4 and FNP access, 30 Ork Boys with a Painboy only take about 6 wounds from it.
I stand by that statement, but I realized as I said it:
You could take that relic on an Inquisitor with Rad Grenades.

It would also require you to roll d31, d30, d29...cause the game's obviously not taking long enough when you are allready running footslogging hordes. You just don't get enough time to forge dat narrative hard enough.

 koooaei wrote:
It would also require you to roll d31, d30, d29...cause the game's obviously not taking long enough when you are allready running footslogging hordes. You just don't get enough time to forge dat narrative hard enough.

Uh... Or you just roll the Toughness check for the Painboy and the Nob separately? It's not that hard.

Among all, the Memento-Mortispex is the best for Imperium. The FMCs and Heldrakes running around and the Eldar Wraithknight are one of the most troublesome thing for Imperium factions to deal with, be it SM (note: probably WK is not that hard for SM because they have Grav, but flying circus and Heldrake is still very tough for them), IG, GK or Mechanicus. This relic solved them with skyfire and Monster/Tank Hunters. Put a Techpriest holding omniscope (reduce cover save by 1) and this bastard wargear in a squad of 5 Cataphron Destroyer, joined by allied GK Draigo, and done. You see that Flyrant or DP or Bloodthirster flying around? Now you see a large piece of corpse on the ground. You see that Hel turkey burning your guys everywhere? Now you see a burning wreck of Heldrake.

To be honest, with the ability to take 25 point Ministorum Priests and Inquisitors, you can get access to holders for the cheap and moderately good relics if you want them.

The only trouble getting a moritem for a cent star is taking Cawl. Celestine, with her hit and run and ability to be a tank is a no brainer. Throw a hoty circle on one of the librarians if you have the points, and good to go.

Heck, it might be worth going with a Castellans list for a Centstar, since you typically want Coteaz, and Celestine can replace Smashfether if your main use for him is as a tank. Don't really need him to fight you out of anything, since you can just hit and run away. Typically want a few more than the bare minimum number of troops now a days anyways.

Then again, most people use Draigo to tank, so Celestine might not be necessary. Can still take the circle since it's a castellans detachment.

69 for a C:I inquisitor with skulls and circle, take IA Coteaz, there's your HQ handled. Four scout squads in LSS are 380. Hmmm..

Waaaghpower wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
It would also require you to roll d31, d30, d29...cause the game's obviously not taking long enough when you are allready running footslogging hordes. You just don't get enough time to forge dat narrative hard enough.

Uh... Or you just roll the Toughness check for the Painboy and the Nob separately? It's not that hard.

How would you decide which exact boy model should be killed off? Roll them separately too?

 koooaei wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
It would also require you to roll d31, d30, d29...cause the game's obviously not taking long enough when you are allready running footslogging hordes. You just don't get enough time to forge dat narrative hard enough.

Uh... Or you just roll the Toughness check for the Painboy and the Nob separately? It's not that hard.

How would you decide which exact boy model should be killed off? Roll them separately too?

If your opponent is forcing you to randomize between thirty identical Ork Boyz, then he's a pedantic stick-in-the-mud whom you should not be playing against. If there's some really important Ork Boy (Say, one that's keeping together coherency or something,) roll separately for him, but otherwise it just ain't gonna matter.
As GW says, you need a gram of common sense once in a while.

Waaaghpower wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
It would also require you to roll d31, d30, d29...cause the game's obviously not taking long enough when you are allready running footslogging hordes. You just don't get enough time to forge dat narrative hard enough.

Uh... Or you just roll the Toughness check for the Painboy and the Nob separately? It's not that hard.

How would you decide which exact boy model should be killed off? Roll them separately too?

If your opponent is forcing you to randomize between thirty identical Ork Boyz, then he's a pedantic stick-in-the-mud whom you should not be playing against. If there's some really important Ork Boy (Say, one that's keeping together coherency or something,) roll separately for him, but otherwise it just ain't gonna matter.
As GW says, you need a gram of common sense once in a while.

Every ork life matters © Especially in this case. You might end up with half the attacks you could have dealt if closest die. Or out of combat range at all. For example, 30 boyz without a painboss would suffer 8-9 casualties from this relic. The exact wound placement would matter greatly in many cases. If more closest models die, you're gona inflict far less casualties yourself.

Anywayz, you're gona call a man out for using the rules correctly? And you think you're not a stick-in-the-mud whom people should not be playing against in this case?

Some are really op. Maxed with the insulting low cost 25 point Ministorum Priests and Inquisitors.


Also left an important detail when talking about the reliqs. Remember that any army can put Celestine (and a cheap line unit) and then any HQ of his army can use any of the Cadian relics... (omg GW...really?). Ok, surely as red type allies...but you can send Celestile flying alone, she will no die xD.

surelly I never would realice of that combo by my own until I read it on dakka dakka haha (I am amazed about how twisted people can be when lookign for exploits xD). So, for example, an ork bike warboss could get the Desvalle's Holy Circle, making the 4+ Invuln way less "situational" (and the cool special rule as plus). Or the Omnisiah's grace. A Warboss with an invulnerable is a happy warboss.

Or a chaos nurgle lord with the one that improves the invulnerable on 1+ to have a 3++



Of course do this is a really dirty dirty move

Give the green tide warboss the 6+ invul for the horde and you have some hilarity. It would be really odd but funny.

Franarok wrote:
Some are really op. Maxed with the insulting low cost 25 point Ministorum Priests and Inquisitors.


Also left an important detail when talking about the reliqs. Remember that any army can put Celestine (and a cheap line unit) and then any HQ of his army can use any of the Cadian relics... (omg GW...really?). Ok, surely as red type allies...but you can send Celestile flying alone, she will no die xD.

surelly I never would realice of that combo by my own until I read it on dakka dakka haha (I am amazed about how twisted people can be when lookign for exploits xD). So, for example, an ork bike warboss could get the Desvalle's Holy Circle, making the 4+ Invuln way less "situational" (and the cool special rule as plus). Or the Omnisiah's grace. A Warboss with an invulnerable is a happy warboss.

Or a chaos nurgle lord with the one that improves the invulnerable on 1+ to have a 3++



Of course do this is a really dirty dirty move

Yeah, I think most of these relics are going to end up on Inquisitors, purely for the multi-wound models. (Priests are great and all, but with 1w they're too easy to snipe out.) The Autopurger one is great with a Xenos inquisitor since he can roll on Biomancy and get Rad Grenades, for a potential -2 Toughness combo when he charges.
However, outside of a couple of the relics, I don't think any of these are particularly OP. The Autopurger can get really, really nasty in the right context, and the Memento-Mortispex can get really good combos with certain units, but outside of those, none of these are exactly what I'd describe as 'OP'. A 3+ Invuln is nice, but in order to get it you also need to be paying for a 4+ invuln, and then you're barred from taking other Relics. A 4+ invuln isn't bad either, but unless you're stacking it with other things, it's only with the 35pts on a few models.
Eternal Warrior is nice, but outside of Space Wolves and maaaybe Grey Knights, the Imperium doesn't really have any armies that NEED an Eternal Warrior relic. Space Marines already have the Shield Eternal and the Gorgon's Chain, and in my experience it's rarely worth it to buy EW for a mere 3w model - The 4th wound really makes all the difference. (And hey, Sisters of Battle already have an EW relic, for slightly cheaper!)

What's the exact wording of the artifacts? Is it really useable on non-imperium armies?

 koooaei wrote:
What's the exact wording of the artifacts? Is it really useable on non-imperium armies?

Yes and no. It says any model that can take relics in an army containing Celestine/Cawl can take them. So if you allied in some Imperium units led by one of them you could, but then a lot of armies don't call their relics relics. So...? A signature system works like a relic, but it's also not called a relic, and probably not intended for some filthy xenos to get their hands on Imperial relics.

Isn't it written that only armies of the imperium have access to those relics? Not in the sentence that everyone links but above it.

If GW ever says these can be used by non-imperials, my Commander will get Eternal Warrior! hehe

...until then, our group will probably use common sense and use them only with Imperials.

Fall of Cadia, p.118
"Characters in armies that include Celestine or Belisarius Cawl, or taken as part of the Formations and Detachments presented in this book, that can normally bear one of their army's relics can instead be equipped with one such Arcana Mechanicum or Ecclesiarchy Relic, as described and at the points cost indicated."

So yeah, if you put Celestine...you can put any of the new relics. Is dirty, is evil, but is sadly legal.
It says "armies" instead "armies from the imperium" (like on lot of other stuff). And "their army relics", again nothing specific, so any character that could use a relic (mostly HQ ones) can use them.

Of course is fair not use them outside the imperium. But since imperium gets so many cool stuff periodically, sure lot of people on tournaments or so will use and going to no regret at all haha.


Indeed a greentide of 100 orks sure will love gain the 6++, a tau commander eternal warrior, any warboss will KILL to have the 4++ (or certan MC HQ), etc... Maybe some of them will no look so good for imperial users, but for other races are so cool xD

Franarok wrote:
Fall of Cadia, p.118
"Characters in armies that include Celestine or Belisarius Cawl, or taken as part of the Formations and Detachments presented in this book, that can normally bear one of their army's relics can instead be equipped with one such Arcana Mechanicum or Ecclesiarchy Relic, as described and at the points cost indicated."

So yeah, if you put Celestine...you can put any of the new relics. Is dirty, is evil, but is sadly legal.
It says "armies" instead "armies from the imperium" (like on lot of other stuff). And "their army relics", again nothing specific, so any character that could use a relic (mostly HQ ones) can use them.

Of course is fair not use them outside the imperium. But since imperium gets so many cool stuff periodically, sure lot of people on tournaments or so will use and going to no regret at all haha.


Indeed a greentide of 100 orks sure will love gain the 6++, a tau commander eternal warrior, any warboss will KILL to have the 4++ (or certan MC HQ), etc... Maybe some of them will no look so good for imperial users, but for other races are so cool xD

To be fair, Warbosses will kill because you looked at them funny, or because they wanted your teef, or because they were bored.


In a different but no less broken vein, has anyone considered the damage you could cause with one of these on a Knight? Giving a 4++ invuln on all facings is pretty darn great, because it removes the possibility of being flanked. The one problem is that, of course, you need to take at least 3 Knights to make one of them a Character, or you have to take a whopping 5 knights to give all of them relic access, and either way that's a whole lot of knights.