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So, GW has just unveiled a bunch of Ynnead units.

Ynnead is supposed to kill Slaanesh, right? What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

Not only has Slaanesh failed to receive any love recently unlike the other 3 gods but it's no secret that GW wants to market 40k to a younger audience and a god of rape, drugs and mutilation is in direct contention with that.

Should I put my Slaanesh army on hold for the time being? Is the entire faction getting squatted actually a possibility?

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
So, GW has just unveiled a bunch of Ynnead units.

Ynnead is supposed to kill Slaanesh, right? What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

Not only has Slaanesh failed to receive any love recently unlike the other 3 gods but it's no secret that GW wants to market 40k to a younger audience and a god of rape, drugs and mutilation is in direct contention with that.

Should I put my Slaanesh army on hold for the time being? Is the entire faction getting squatted actually a possibility?

No. Most likely you'll actually get quite a bit of stuff as slaanesh will become the focus of a new release, just as the tzeentchian guys got a big release right after their sworn 40k enemies (space wolves) got one.

The new release suggests to me that they gain aspects of each other.

There will be a big swerve. Yncarne will just be Slaanesh tricking Biel Tan for all their yummy souls.

Future Slannesh releases will be Guardian/tentacle hybrids.

Lord Kragan wrote:

No. Most likely you'll actually get quite a bit of stuff as slaanesh will become the focus of a new release, just as the tzeentchian guys got a big release right after their sworn 40k enemies (space wolves) got one.

Right before getting squatted.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
So, GW has just unveiled a bunch of Ynnead units.

Ynnead is supposed to kill Slaanesh, right? What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

Not only has Slaanesh failed to receive any love recently unlike the other 3 gods but it's no secret that GW wants to market 40k to a younger audience and a god of rape, drugs and mutilation is in direct contention with that.

Should I put my Slaanesh army on hold for the time being? Is the entire faction getting squatted actually a possibility?

Why do people keep repeating this crap?

Seriously, have you read none of the AoS fluff? Bloodreavers are cannibals, and some of the novels make that explicitly clear with descriptions of them devouring people.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
So, GW has just unveiled a bunch of Ynnead units.

Ynnead is supposed to kill Slaanesh, right? What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

Not only has Slaanesh failed to receive any love recently unlike the other 3 gods but it's no secret that GW wants to market 40k to a younger audience and a god of rape, drugs and mutilation is in direct contention with that.

Should I put my Slaanesh army on hold for the time being? Is the entire faction getting squatted actually a possibility?

Why do people keep repeating this crap?

Seriously, have you read none of the AoS fluff? Bloodreavers are cannibals, and some of the novels make that explicitly clear with descriptions of them devouring people.

And one of the Slaanesh Chaos Lords is trying to make a prize out of Neferata.. Someone who is Undead.

 koooaei wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

No. Most likely you'll actually get quite a bit of stuff as slaanesh will become the focus of a new release, just as the tzeentchian guys got a big release right after their sworn 40k enemies (space wolves) got one.

Right before getting squatted.

Like tzeentch arcanites, isn't it?

I'm more worried about Celestine and the other people from Cadia tbh, put it to gw to have the SoB look awesome in the fluff and then get stuffed in the fridge in the next book.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
So, GW has just unveiled a bunch of Ynnead units.

Ynnead is supposed to kill Slaanesh, right? What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

Not only has Slaanesh failed to receive any love recently unlike the other 3 gods but it's no secret that GW wants to market 40k to a younger audience and a god of rape, drugs and mutilation is in direct contention with that.

Should I put my Slaanesh army on hold for the time being? Is the entire faction getting squatted actually a possibility?

Why do people keep repeating this crap?

Seriously, have you read none of the AoS fluff? Bloodreavers are cannibals, and some of the novels make that explicitly clear with descriptions of them devouring people.

Plus there's a lord of slaanesh that is into necrophilia AND bestiality. You know, FOR KIDS!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
So, GW has just unveiled a bunch of Ynnead units.

Ynnead is supposed to kill Slaanesh, right? What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

Not only has Slaanesh failed to receive any love recently unlike the other 3 gods but it's no secret that GW wants to market 40k to a younger audience and a god of rape, drugs and mutilation is in direct contention with that.

Should I put my Slaanesh army on hold for the time being? Is the entire faction getting squatted actually a possibility?

Why do people keep repeating this crap?

Seriously, have you read none of the AoS fluff? Bloodreavers are cannibals, and some of the novels make that explicitly clear with descriptions of them devouring people.

Maybe if you didn't get so bent out of shape insisting people read background they have to pay for for a system they may not like perhaps?

Perception is reality and the perception is Slaanesh is getting removed to make it PG and no amount of pontificating about stopping this crap will stop that.

Since the next book is "fracture of Biel tan" I don't think Slaanesh is getting killed off... Yet. My guess is this is just the Eldars' turn to get a good old hiding from chaos whilst the Imperium takes a time out: Ynnead will return in avatar form but millions of Eldar will be devoired by Slaanesh and something of significance on Biel tan (don't really know much about it) will be taken or destroyed to further the black crusade.

Whether or not Slaanesh is still standing once the 13th black crusade is over is up for debate: personally, between the backlash they got from axing Slaanesh in AoS, the reforms made to the Slaanesh models (less bewbs) and a requirement to have something for the Eldar gods to fight makes me think that Slaanesh isn't going anywhere soon. At most I can see the Eldar gods having a punch up with Slaanesh and saving some important craft world from being devoired.

Ruin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
So, GW has just unveiled a bunch of Ynnead units.

Ynnead is supposed to kill Slaanesh, right? What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

Not only has Slaanesh failed to receive any love recently unlike the other 3 gods but it's no secret that GW wants to market 40k to a younger audience and a god of rape, drugs and mutilation is in direct contention with that.

Should I put my Slaanesh army on hold for the time being? Is the entire faction getting squatted actually a possibility?

Why do people keep repeating this crap?

Seriously, have you read none of the AoS fluff? Bloodreavers are cannibals, and some of the novels make that explicitly clear with descriptions of them devouring people.

Maybe if you didn't get so bent out of shape insisting people read background they have to pay for for a system they may not like perhaps?

Perception is reality and the perception is Slaanesh is getting removed to make it PG and no amount of pontificating about stopping this crap will stop that.

Except Slaanesh hasn't been removed from AoS, despite constant statements to the otherwise.

Read a book. I know, I know you have to pay for them--but if you don't want to read it?
Then don't post about things you do not know.



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 mrhappyface wrote:
Since the next book is "fracture of Biel tan" I don't think Slaanesh is getting killed off... Yet. My guess is this is just the Eldars' turn to get a good old hiding from chaos whilst the Imperium takes a time out: Ynnead will return in avatar form but millions of Eldar will be devoired by Slaanesh and something of significance on Biel tan (don't really know much about it) will be taken or destroyed to further the black crusade.

Whether or not Slaanesh is still standing once the 13th black crusade is over is up for debate: personally, between the backlash they got from axing Slaanesh in AoS, the reforms made to the Slaanesh models (less bewbs) and a requirement to have something for the Eldar gods to fight makes me think that Slaanesh isn't going anywhere soon. At most I can see the Eldar gods having a punch up with Slaanesh and saving some important craft world from being devoired.

Slaanesh is still around in AoS. Once again, stop repeating that trite nonsense. Read the lore or campaign books or ask someone who has them to let you read them.

Remember how everyone freaked out over the fact that there was no Keeper of Secrets head on Archaon's mount, Dorghar? Yeah, they actually explained that in the lore. When the Chaos Gods brought Archaon back, they wanted to ensure that he was actually fit to be their champion. Each of the Ruinous Powers that could exercise their power sent their greatest champions to fight Archaon. Archaon beat them all, and Dorghar devoured their essences.

Since Slaanesh has been entrapped by Malerion and Tyrion, s/he can't exercise her power--no champion to fight Archaon. Slaanesh's sigil is still on his shield though, and he still has a number of followers who are devoted to Slaanesh.

Ruin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
So, GW has just unveiled a bunch of Ynnead units.

Ynnead is supposed to kill Slaanesh, right? What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

Not only has Slaanesh failed to receive any love recently unlike the other 3 gods but it's no secret that GW wants to market 40k to a younger audience and a god of rape, drugs and mutilation is in direct contention with that.

Should I put my Slaanesh army on hold for the time being? Is the entire faction getting squatted actually a possibility?

Why do people keep repeating this crap?

Seriously, have you read none of the AoS fluff? Bloodreavers are cannibals, and some of the novels make that explicitly clear with descriptions of them devouring people.

Maybe if you didn't get so bent out of shape insisting people read background they have to pay for for a system they may not like perhaps?

Perception is reality and the perception is Slaanesh is getting removed to make it PG and no amount of pontificating about stopping this crap will stop that.

So we are supposed to let people talk out of their asses and treat such as fact? Apparently it's fine to say that the Emperor was a xenophile without knowledge of cause because, you know, actually knowing the setting they may not like is bad and thus they are allowed to make up gak.

mrhappyface. Slaanesh has been all but axed out. Still gets screentime and more street cred than the horned rat. Which is saying something considering the guy is trapped for the time being (and I don't hold my breath like at all). Even frigging Archaon pays homage to him and trains the Varanguard, his personal guard, into the service of Slaanesh.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except Slaanesh hasn't been removed from AoS, despite constant statements to the otherwise.

Read a book. I know, I know you have to pay for them--but if you don't want to read it?
Then don't post about things you do not know.

Slaanesh hasn't been squatted but he/she/it has been effectively removed from the great game making him/her/it obsolete. It is similar to many other characters in the fluff who are effectively removed: yes they are still technically there, just missing/in stasus/trapped/etc, but they might as well not be there.

It's basically GWs way of getting rid of a character without having to deal with the consiquences because they can say "what are you talking about? Slaanesh is still there, just missing. Stop complaining you guys".

I think they are moving the timeline on slightly, not enough to seriously change the overall milieu. That's what Phil Kelly told me to my face. He said there would be a few changes and a few major characters would die in suitably heroic ways. However, the setting would remain largely the same.

So Ynnead will appear but won't have time to do much yet. Some planets, etc will get hit but I doubt the thing will make any serious overall changes. No 'end times', again specifically from Kelly, just a slight move forward to allow them to bring in a whole lot of new units and characters etc and do some cool stuff they couldn't before, which I am pretty sure includes bringing back a range of primarchs, daemon and still meta-human.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slaanesh is still around in AoS. Once again, stop repeating that trite nonsense. Read the lore or campaign books or ask someone who has them to let you read them.

Remember how everyone freaked out over the fact that there was no Keeper of Secrets head on Archaon's mount, Dorghar? Yeah, they actually explained that in the lore. When the Chaos Gods brought Archaon back, they wanted to ensure that he was actually fit to be their champion. Each of the Ruinous Powers that could exercise their power sent their greatest champions to fight Archaon. Archaon beat them all, and Dorghar devoured their essences.

Since Slaanesh has been entrapped by Malerion and Tyrion, s/he can't exercise her power--no champion to fight Archaon. Slaanesh's sigil is still on his shield though, and he still has a number of followers who are devoted to Slaanesh.

The fact that a Chaos God, a GOD, was trapped suggest that GW was attempting to phase him/her/it out. The fact that Slaanesh is still mentioned and Slaaneshy followers are still roaming is understandable: unless they full on squatted Slaanesh there would still be Slaaneshy cults.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slaanesh is still around in AoS. Once again, stop repeating that trite nonsense. Read the lore or campaign books or ask someone who has them to let you read them.

Remember how everyone freaked out over the fact that there was no Keeper of Secrets head on Archaon's mount, Dorghar? Yeah, they actually explained that in the lore. When the Chaos Gods brought Archaon back, they wanted to ensure that he was actually fit to be their champion. Each of the Ruinous Powers that could exercise their power sent their greatest champions to fight Archaon. Archaon beat them all, and Dorghar devoured their essences.

Since Slaanesh has been entrapped by Malerion and Tyrion, s/he can't exercise her power--no champion to fight Archaon. Slaanesh's sigil is still on his shield though, and he still has a number of followers who are devoted to Slaanesh.

The fact that a Chaos God, a GOD, was trapped suggest that GW was attempting to phase him/her/it out. The fact that Slaanesh is still mentioned and Slaaneshy followers are still roaming is understandable: unless they full on squatted Slaanesh there would still be Slaaneshy cults.

A Chaos God trapped by other ascended gods during a current moment of weakness while Tzeentch himself helped it along because he wanted him out of the way of something he's currently plotting.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slaanesh is still around in AoS. Once again, stop repeating that trite nonsense. Read the lore or campaign books or ask someone who has them to let you read them.

Remember how everyone freaked out over the fact that there was no Keeper of Secrets head on Archaon's mount, Dorghar? Yeah, they actually explained that in the lore. When the Chaos Gods brought Archaon back, they wanted to ensure that he was actually fit to be their champion. Each of the Ruinous Powers that could exercise their power sent their greatest champions to fight Archaon. Archaon beat them all, and Dorghar devoured their essences.

Since Slaanesh has been entrapped by Malerion and Tyrion, s/he can't exercise her power--no champion to fight Archaon. Slaanesh's sigil is still on his shield though, and he still has a number of followers who are devoted to Slaanesh.

The fact that a Chaos God, a GOD, was trapped suggest that GW was attempting to phase him/her/it out. The fact that Slaanesh is still mentioned and Slaaneshy followers are still roaming is understandable: unless they full on squatted Slaanesh there would still be Slaaneshy cults.

And he was trapped by other GODS. THREE of them. And it was precisely in one of their domains. When he was being distracted and resting from the sheer amount of souls he was digesting.

That or they are reserving him for a later date. Nurgle and Khorne were at their strongest during the Age of Chaos mainly to the war and death. Right now, with the resurgence of civilization, schemes and excess are rife. Tzeentch is getting stronger and so is Slaanesh. Slaanesh wasn't phased out of AoS, it's going back to make the Fall 2.0 or its equivalent.

It still reeks of forcing Slaanesh into a position where GW can leave it for a while, I mean seriously: Slaanesh is weakened because it had eaten too many souls and required to hide and digest them (!?) then two high Elves who had only just become Gods, probably still confused at their assention, managed to trap a Chaos God and bane of the Elves?

I mean I can forgive the manipulation of Khorne by Tzeentch to force Slaanesh into a position where the two new Gods could capture it, but what I can't forgive is the idea that Slaanesh might be too bloated on souls to fight back. Souls and emotion is what powers chaos Gods, to be weakened by too many souls is just trying to force an undefeatable being into a stupid situation.

 mrhappyface wrote:
It still reeks of forcing Slaanesh into a position where GW can leave it for a while, I mean seriously: Slaanesh is weakened because it had eaten too many souls and required to hide and digest them (!?) then two high Elves who had only just become Gods, probably still confused at their assention, managed to trap a Chaos God and bane of the Elves?

I mean I can forgive the manipulation of Khorne by Tzeentch to force Slaanesh into a position where the two new Gods could capture it, but what I can't forgive is the idea that Slaanesh might be too bloated on souls to fight back. Souls and emotion is what powers chaos Gods, to be weakened by too many souls is just trying to force an undefeatable being into a stupid situation.

A) Said gods had been so for at least twelve centuries, a few millenia or so, so they are not exactly new at that point. The WHFB and 40k are separate universes and the forces of chaos aren't AS overpowered as the futuristic counterparts. Plus they weren't alone. A great part as to why the war went south fast when they left was because Tyrion, Teclis and Malerion left WITH their armies. Slaanesh was met with the whole (remaining) race spearheaded by a trio of angry gods. It wasn't just

B) Again, a point of scale. Slaanesh just hadn't been used to this amount of souls. It's not perfect, more likely than not there's something more to it.

Isengard wrote:
I think they are moving the timeline on slightly, not enough to seriously change the overall milieu. That's what Phil Kelly told me to my face. He said there would be a few changes and a few major characters would die in suitably heroic ways. However, the setting would remain largely the same.

Hell I think they're even taking care to advance things in a manner to allow them to let characters who otherwise shouldn't be alive (I'm convinced Creed was collected by Tyzran so that when the timeline is advanced 200 years he can still be around)

Maybe not kill but at the very least take away the ability for Slaanesh to claim Eldar souls. But the fact that Slaanesh is facing doom in both AOS and 40k is kind of telling to me.

Part of Ynnead even coming to be basically implies Slaanesh's doom. "When Eldrad Ulthran brought warning to Iyanden of the Great Devourer, he also told the Iyanden Seer Council that the Eldar race's only ultimate hope against Slaanesh lay with Ynnead, the god of the dead. While most of Iyanden dismissed Ulthran, Arienal embraced this prophecy and in a brief moment received a glorious apotheosis where the spirits of living Eldar would become one with the dead. The resulting psychic backlash would stir Ynnead from his slumber, and at last defeat Slaanesh."

and

"Now long awaited portents have come to pass, and the bands of light around the book have flicked and died, and within the pages are recorded Cegorach’s final jest, a way to trick Slaanesh into expending all of her power not to destroy the Eldar, but to save them.’"

When did a bunch become only 3? I would say a bunch of new minis would be 7 or more.

I don't buy the theory that Slaanesh was weakened from all the souls it consumed. How big was the Old World again? Did it have more inhabitants than the Eldar race at the height of their galaxy wide empire?

I don't play Slaanesh, I don't have any Slaanesh. But it is really stupid that a God of Chaos could be captured. It really undermined the power of the big bad guys in the setting.

My hope is that Slaanesh returns with less of a focus on sex and drugs and more a focus on cruelty and torture. A lot like the Dark Eldar.

Slaanesh represents excess in all things. Cruelty and torture is not necessarily excessive. Neither is sex and drugs. What Slaanesh is, is those things taken to excessive heights.
Slaanesh represents pride, gluttony, and lust. Excessive pride in oneself, gluttony (inherently excessive), and lust for greater and greater things (again, excessive).
Straight up removing an aspect from Slaanesh that suits it (excessive drug use, excessive sexuality (and by extension excessive pleasure)) cheapens the character, and takes away from the concept of the embodiment of excess.

Its always possible but I think its unlikely.
To my mind up until just now Tzeentch hadn't got anything for just as long and yet there was never this constant refrain of "will they be squatted?".

They will release a new Keeper of Secrets some day. Its an obvious product for GW to make high margins on. Probably not soon but 18-24 months doesn't seem unreasonable. It will likely be around the time AoS aelves finally get some attention. Or Fulgrim gets the Magnus treatment.

Its not difficult to release models that don't have naked breasts if GW think that will put parents off. Fluffwise sex is always implied rather than explicit anyway (unless I have missed something).

I know, which is why Slaanesh is a very real danger to its brother Gods who are all guilty of excess to the extreme.

But excessive is not how Slaanesh is marketed. Its marketed as half naked women with one breast or six and a long tongue.

Personally I love it just the way it is. But from a business standpoint I can see why they would distance themselves from it.

XT-1984 wrote:
I don't buy the theory that Slaanesh was weakened from all the souls it consumed. How big was the Old World again? Did it have more inhabitants than the Eldar race at the height of their galaxy wide empire?

I don't play Slaanesh, I don't have any Slaanesh. But it is really stupid that a God of Chaos could be captured. It really undermined the power of the big bad guys in the setting.

My hope is that Slaanesh returns with less of a focus on sex and drugs and more a focus on cruelty and torture. A lot like the Dark Eldar.

WHFB and 40k are stated to be outright different and parallel universes.

I think they will do that. And honestly want them to have dark aelfs at their side. You know, a part of me wants to play a morathi army.

I'd definitely love it if they brought back the 6th edition cult of slaanesh slaanesh dark elf army from fantasy, that would be awesome. Especially if we got a 40k mirror of it Druchii Anointed where really cool.