What chapter tactics are most competitive?

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**kingbobbito**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Imperial Fists Tactics are fun, but they aren't the most competitve. Vehicles are no-shows in most cases. Bolter Drill is only worth it with Sternguard (I run two full squads in Drop pods that combat squad for maximum effectiveness).

To be honest, they aren't even in the same magnitude as Iron Hands or White Scars. I wish they would replace Bolter Drill with Rapid Fire Drill and have it work on all Rapid Fire weapons instead of all Bolt weapons. We would lose out on Bolt Pistols and Heavy Bolters, but gain Plasmaguns.

Oi, if anyone's getting a bonus to plasma it better be DA.

**IllumiNini**

Vankraken wrote:
Dantes_Baals wrote:
In descending order.

1. White Scars
2. Ultramarine
3. Imperial Fists
4. Iron Hands
5. Salamanders
6. Ravenguard

The only caveat is if you run that silly Iron Hands deathstar/detatchment from Angels of Death, then they are more or less are tied for 1st by a new York mile ahead of the others.

Black Templar are so bad they didn't even make the list

lololol I'm slowly dicovering that Black Templars Chapter Tactics are not so bad, but you have to have a reasonable amount of skill and an ability to create a versatile yet CC orientate list. Damn the high skill cap CT's haha

**casvalremdeikun**

kingbobbito wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Imperial Fists Tactics are fun, but they aren't the most competitve. Vehicles are no-shows in most cases. Bolter Drill is only worth it with Sternguard (I run two full squads in Drop pods that combat squad for maximum effectiveness).

To be honest, they aren't even in the same magnitude as Iron Hands or White Scars. I wish they would replace Bolter Drill with Rapid Fire Drill and have it work on all Rapid Fire weapons instead of all Bolt weapons. We would lose out on Bolt Pistols and Heavy Bolters, but gain Plasmaguns.

Oi, if anyone's getting a bonus to plasma it better be DA.

Not really, DA still get improved overwatch with all weapons.

**kingbobbito**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
kingbobbito wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Imperial Fists Tactics are fun, but they aren't the most competitve. Vehicles are no-shows in most cases. Bolter Drill is only worth it with Sternguard (I run two full squads in Drop pods that combat squad for maximum effectiveness).

To be honest, they aren't even in the same magnitude as Iron Hands or White Scars. I wish they would replace Bolter Drill with Rapid Fire Drill and have it work on all Rapid Fire weapons instead of all Bolt weapons. We would lose out on Bolt Pistols and Heavy Bolters, but gain Plasmaguns.

Oi, if anyone's getting a bonus to plasma it better be DA.
Not really, DA still get improved overwatch with all weapons.

Talking from a fluff perspective.

**casvalremdeikun**

kingbobbito wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
kingbobbito wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Imperial Fists Tactics are fun, but they aren't the most competitve. Vehicles are no-shows in most cases. Bolter Drill is only worth it with Sternguard (I run two full squads in Drop pods that combat squad for maximum effectiveness).

To be honest, they aren't even in the same magnitude as Iron Hands or White Scars. I wish they would replace Bolter Drill with Rapid Fire Drill and have it work on all Rapid Fire weapons instead of all Bolt weapons. We would lose out on Bolt Pistols and Heavy Bolters, but gain Plasmaguns.

Oi, if anyone's getting a bonus to plasma it better be DA.
Not really, DA still get improved overwatch with all weapons.

Talking from a fluff perspective.

and from a fluff perspective, IF are some of the best shots in the Imperium.

**kingbobbito**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
kingbobbito wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
kingbobbito wrote:

Oi, if anyone's getting a bonus to plasma it better be DA.
Not really, DA still get improved overwatch with all weapons.

Talking from a fluff perspective.
and from a fluff perspective, IF are some of the best shots in the Imperium.

Does being a good shot have anything to do with your plasma gun getting hot?

**kronk**

Vankraken wrote:

Black Templar are so bad they didn't even make the list

I don't care. Black Templars forever!

I do have a small Crimson Fists army. Tank hunters on devastators is no joke. Yes, Grav is better, point for point, but tank hunting on Lascannons or Multi-Meltas in 1/2 range is SUPER nice...