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So the more I think about this, the more I am convinced that it works.

Under the Celestine entry into Fall of Cadia, we have two profiles listed. One for Celestine and one for her two Geminaes.

The list of special rules seems to be pretty clearly outining who can use them and those without a defination, like Adamantium Will, can be assumed to affect all three models.

Healing tears for example states it's a Geminae that gets placed. The orbital bombardment outlines that it's used by Celestine.


Now: Martyrdom does not point to anything specific and like Adamantium will or hit and run, it seems safe to assume that all three models have the rule.

Where this gets Interesting if is you chose to make one of the Geminae your Warlord. if she dies, all of your act of faiths for that turn are automatically passed. On your next turn Celestine revives her and if she dies again, you once again get automatic Acts of Faith for that turn.


it also raised another question. if you make a Geminae your warlord, and at the end of the game, Celestine has revived her and she is not dead, does your opponent still get points for Slay the Warlord?

RAW neither celestine or geminaes has the martyrdom special rule even though the rule is written out on their datasheet. I'd be careful trying to pull that trick on someone.

As for the warlord thing that would work since the warlord has not been removed at the end of the game.

How do you figure that RAW they don't have it?

Explain, using RAW, how Tac Marines have ATSKNF.
I would assume that explanation can be applied to this situation.

Are the Germinae even characters?

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
How do you figure that RAW they don't have it?

Explain, using RAW, how Tac Marines have ATSKNF.
I would assume that explanation can be applied to this situation.

Under the list of special rules in their profile martyrdom is not listed for them.

To clear up confusion I am not saying hiwp they don't have the special rule. But with the rules as written it is not listed under their special rules.

Oberron wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
How do you figure that RAW they don't have it?

Explain, using RAW, how Tac Marines have ATSKNF.
I would assume that explanation can be applied to this situation.

Under the list of special rules in their profile martyrdom is not listed for them.

To clear up confusion I am not saying hiwp they don't have the special rule. But with the rules as written it is not listed under their special rules.

That is a debatable topic. The list of special rules starts by listing the Universal special rules they have access, but nothing indicates that it ends once it gets into the other rules on the left and the following page. It can be argued that those are also listed under the special rules section.

The only debatable thing is that Celestine has the Saintly Blessing special rules listed twice, but the second time seems to follow a different format in much the same way that Belisarius Cawl lists Canticles under his special rules and then has a much more detailed section, following a different format, on the next page.

And yes, both Geminaes are Characters.

RAW, geminae have martyrdom. I wouldn't suggest trying it in a friendly game, though.

Fluff wise, the geminae are Cannonesses and the Cannoness does have the martyrdom rule...

Question (again). Are the Germinae characters? If so, then this discussion may continue. If not, then it is a moot point since in order to take them you must take Celestine who is a character, and you can only choose a non-character warlord if you have no characters.

Dont want to quote myself, but yes both Geminaes are listed as Characters.

 Happyjew wrote:
Question (again). Are the Germinae characters? If so, then this discussion may continue. If not, then it is a moot point since in order to take them you must take Celestine who is a character, and you can only choose a non-character warlord if you have no characters.

Yes, they're characters.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Fluff wise, the geminae are Cannonesses and the Cannoness does have the martyrdom rule...

That is in fact an important point, because then some case can be made that this is actually allowed by RAI, not just RAW.

It's still a bit cheesy, and it's not like Celestine needs it to become viable, but I'd allow it.

I was mistaken thinking the list of special rules were all the special rules they had. Currently as is they all of the martyrdom special rule. It isn't even that broken since aof are 1 time use

Yeah thats kinda silly but I wouldn't really care, it's not that big of a deal (due to what was said above.)

Oberron wrote:
I was mistaken thinking the list of special rules were all the special rules they had. Currently as is they all of the martyrdom special rule. It isn't even that broken since aof are 1 time use

Can become two time use with model upgrade from sister squads, and a single 3 time use from Uriah. or possibly more if he can then join another squad and use his ability again? or is it once per game?

Baseline act of faith: +1
Simulacrum: +1 (if this model dies before Act of Faith are done, unit can no longer use any acts)
Uriah: +1 (once per game, unaffected by simulacrum death)



Being able to get multiple martyrdom is good. You will not be using your act of faiths all on the same turn and an auto success is infinity times better than any re-rolls or or leadership bonuses.

If your oponent wants to prevent you from using it, he needs to ignore Celestine altogether making her even more of an annoyance.