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2017/01/26 04:58:07
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
The new leaks about the next book Fracture of Biel-Tan seem to be such blasphemously heresy it cannot be true.
All the evidence is pointing to the Imperium actively working with the Eldar on a never before-seen widescale level against Chaos 13th crusade.
Let's get one thing straight: THE ELDAR ARE THE BAD GUYS. They are legitimately pure evil because they are XENOS. They are sub-humans and inhuman. The Imperium is selling out its humanity and its soul by working with flithly treacherous disgusting Eldar. Literally Xenos are fit to be genocided from orbit or put in camps and mass gassed to death by the holy imperium.
But the more important the fact that this new god Ynnead the SPACE ELVES have are going to possibly SAVE their doomed disgusting evil race and threaten human supremacy of the galaxy. Eldar will no longer be a dying race and WE HUMANS LET IT HAPPEN by working with them.
It is literally better to fall and lose to Chaos than to work with Eldar. You lose part of what it means to be human by working with these things. What's the point of defeating Chaos with Xenos help if you lose what it means to be human in the process? The new Ynnead god will be worse than Chaos.
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2017/01/26 05:37:14
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
amazingturtles wrote: The first one of these topics was kind of funny, in a sad way.
Now it's just gettin' creepy, dude.
Well it might be:
1.) Provocation due to Boredom/Fill-in-Blank
2.) Trolling
3.) a legitimate love of his interpretation of 40K lore, stuck somewhere between 2nd and 3rd edition.
If its 3 - it wouldn't be anything new on this board. There's always someone screaming about things like "Why isn't the Star Child canon anymore?" Or "I detest the state of the Imperium as a Theocracy given that the TRUE vision of the Emperor was a Secular State!" or "Sisters of Battle dun get no respect" (although that's probably changed) or "The Tau are BETTER as Orweillian style villains you stupid Tau players" etc. etc. etc.
And like all those various ideas above, i'm sure the OP will learn what...well.. most of us have known since we started playing in this hobby....
That there is a Force Greater than the Ruinous Powers, the Emperor, and everything else...
And regardless of how you feel about anything in the 40K universe... $$$$$$ wins at the End of the Day.
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2017/01/26 09:18:02
Subject: Re:Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
Well, as an avid Eldar fluff-bunny I can't help but agree with you entirely.
As Gollum would describe them, the Eldar are tricksy and false. Their sole remaining Gods, which are representatives of their racial psyche, are a War God and a Trickster God.
What's more, the Eldar are concerned only with the survival of their own race, and will manipulate any other race in any way they please to ensure that happens.
If the Eldar are helping you against Chaos, be fully prepared for them to throw you under a bus the second you become a greater threat than Chaos.
If people want to believe that the Eldar are the equals of mankind, joining together in friendship against their mutual enemy then fine the manipulation of the Eldar runs deep. They will be the first to be blown out of the airlock
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my meatshield.
Ynneadwraith wrote: Well, as an avid Eldar fluff-bunny I can't help but agree with you entirely.
As Gollum would describe them, the Eldar are tricksy and false. Their sole remaining Gods, which are representatives of their racial psyche, are a War God and a Trickster God.
What's more, the Eldar are concerned only with the survival of their own race, and will manipulate any other race in any way they please to ensure that happens.
If the Eldar are helping you against Chaos, be fully prepared for them to throw you under a bus the second you become a greater threat than Chaos.
If people want to believe that the Eldar are the equals of mankind, joining together in friendship against their mutual enemy then fine the manipulation of the Eldar runs deep. They will be the first to be blown out of the airlock
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my meatshield.
now see this is WHY I think it's fine, because GW's not likely gonna ignore this, it's a question of who backstabs whom when.
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2017/01/26 10:51:55
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
Ynneadwraith wrote: The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my meatshield.
The high-ups of the IoM are well aware of this, but when desperate Eldar help is better than no help.
The inevitable betrayal isn't likely to be anything so simple as turning on the human defenders immediately after defeating Chaos in any case - the Eldar often make long-term plans spanning human generations. It could of course be something as plain as leaving when their objective is complete, caring nought for the last humans getting overrun by Chaos forces determined to take as many as they can with them before being wiped out.
2017/01/26 11:30:22
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
Ynneadwraith wrote: What's more, the Eldar are concerned only with the survival of their own race, and will manipulate any other race in any way they please to ensure that happens.
Why that sounds so familiar? Oh right it matches humans as well
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2017/01/26 12:12:41
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
Ynneadwraith wrote: What's more, the Eldar are concerned only with the survival of their own race, and will manipulate any other race in any way they please to ensure that happens.
Why that sounds so familiar? Oh right it matches humans as well
In 40K it only matches a select few, Rogue Traders and Inquisitors mostly, the rest just don't have the brains to manipulate aliens, unless 'do not kill right now, wait til bigger aliens killed then kill little alien's counts. Even then they'd probably say 'we shall fight with you FOR THE MOMENT, Xenos, but when Chaos is defeated, and so on...' which would give the game away somewhat.
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2017/01/26 13:48:31
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
now see this is WHY I think it's fine, because GW's not likely gonna ignore this, it's a question of who backstabs whom when.
I definitely hope that's the way they're going I'm moderately confident, but there's potential for some Necron-Blood Angel level face-palming occurring.
Ynneadwraith wrote: What's more, the Eldar are concerned only with the survival of their own race, and will manipulate any other race in any way they please to ensure that happens.
Why that sounds so familiar? Oh right it matches humans as well
Yep near enough anyway.
I feel like humanity's survival narrative centres more around 'stubborn resolve' than manipulation.
As speakeasy said it's more Inquisitors that do the cleverness bit. Things like directing Leviathan into the Octarius Empire. The majority of the Imperium seems to just throw brave men and women at a problem until it's drowned under a pile of heroic corpses (speaking in hyperbole of course). Theirs is a narrative of stoicism, heroism and sacrifice.
The Eldar's is a narrative of dancing on their wits on the edge of oblivion.
Ynneadwraith wrote: The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my meatshield.
The high-ups of the IoM are well aware of this, but when desperate Eldar help is better than no help.
The inevitable betrayal isn't likely to be anything so simple as turning on the human defenders immediately after defeating Chaos in any case - the Eldar often make long-term plans spanning human generations. It could of course be something as plain as leaving when their objective is complete, caring nought for the last humans getting overrun by Chaos forces determined to take as many as they can with them before being wiped out.
Yeah I'm hoping it is part of some long-game, or at least a solid manipulation attempt.
I'd quite like to see the Templars spat out of the other end of their webway journey directly into the midst of another Chaos force. The Templars get to be all heroic and choppy fighting for their survival against Chaos, and the Eldar get to have manipulated the mon'keigh into fighting a battle that will benefit them.
As Gollum would describe them, the Eldar are tricksy and false. Their sole remaining Gods, which are representatives of their racial psyche, are a War God and a Trickster God.
And a God of Healing....
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2017/01/26 15:32:49
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
Slightly off topic: Was the emprah super-xenophobic? It's known he carried out campaigns against xenos, but I think that was mostly for territory, not genocide.
Like most things in the modern-day imperium, I suspect the big E would be a little embarrassed by the ultra xenophobia of the imperium, but I'm honestly uncertain.
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2017/01/26 15:57:39
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
As Gollum would describe them, the Eldar are tricksy and false. Their sole remaining Gods, which are representatives of their racial psyche, are a War God and a Trickster God.
And a God of Healing....
Good point. I wonder what the representative effect of having the 'healing' part of your psyche being imprisoned by the god of decay would be...
Kap'n Krump wrote: Slightly off topic: Was the emprah super-xenophobic? It's known he carried out campaigns against xenos, but I think that was mostly for territory, not genocide.
Like most things in the modern-day imperium, I suspect the big E would be a little embarrassed by the ultra xenophobia of the imperium, but I'm honestly uncertain.
Hmmm, from what I've heard of the HH fluff he was pretty xenophobic. For instance, he offered the human members of the Diasporex (a nomadic civilisation comprising humans and xenos) the opportunity to forsake their xeno allies and join the Imperium of Man. When they refused, they annihilated the lot of them.
I can't think of a single alien civilisation they encountered that they didn't try to destroy eventually during the Horus Heresy. Even if they were peaceful.
I suppose you could say that he was doing it not out of hate of the xeno but out of necessity, but you can wrap xenophobia in any sort of justification you like. It's still xenophobia
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With a username like DorianGray, he's probably just worried about his Spiritual Liege, Slaanesh.
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2017/01/26 21:06:59
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
"We knew dem umies were a bunch of gitz but now dey be workin with dem sparkly panzy eldar. Let da chaos crazies wipe out da lot of dem and leave da real fightin to da Orks."
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2017/01/26 22:18:45
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
DorianGray wrote: The new leaks about the next book Fracture of Biel-Tan seem to be such blasphemously heresy it cannot be true.
All the evidence is pointing to the Imperium actively working with the Eldar on a never before-seen widescale level against Chaos 13th crusade.
Let's get one thing straight: THE ELDAR ARE THE BAD GUYS. They are legitimately pure evil because they are XENOS. They are sub-humans and inhuman. The Imperium is selling out its humanity and its soul by working with flithly treacherous disgusting Eldar. Literally Xenos are fit to be genocided from orbit or put in camps and mass gassed to death by the holy imperium.
But the more important the fact that this new god Ynnead the SPACE ELVES have are going to possibly SAVE their doomed disgusting evil race and threaten human supremacy of the galaxy. Eldar will no longer be a dying race and WE HUMANS LET IT HAPPEN by working with them.
It is literally better to fall and lose to Chaos than to work with Eldar. You lose part of what it means to be human by working with these things. What's the point of defeating Chaos with Xenos help if you lose what it means to be human in the process? The new Ynnead god will be worse than Chaos.
I think you need to calm down man....
2017/01/27 00:05:59
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
DorianGray wrote: The new leaks about the next book Fracture of Biel-Tan seem to be such blasphemously heresy it cannot be true.
All the evidence is pointing to the Imperium actively working with the Eldar on a never before-seen widescale level against Chaos 13th crusade.
Let's get one thing straight: THE ELDAR ARE THE BAD GUYS. They are legitimately pure evil because they are XENOS. They are sub-humans and inhuman. The Imperium is selling out its humanity and its soul by working with flithly treacherous disgusting Eldar. Literally Xenos are fit to be genocided from orbit or put in camps and mass gassed to death by the holy imperium.
But the more important the fact that this new god Ynnead the SPACE ELVES have are going to possibly SAVE their doomed disgusting evil race and threaten human supremacy of the galaxy. Eldar will no longer be a dying race and WE HUMANS LET IT HAPPEN by working with them.
It is literally better to fall and lose to Chaos than to work with Eldar. You lose part of what it means to be human by working with these things. What's the point of defeating Chaos with Xenos help if you lose what it means to be human in the process? The new Ynnead god will be worse than Chaos.
I think you need to calm down man....
Look at his track record, he has a history of similar threads he has started. He loves his little rants and then baiting responses with an one-sided poll.
2017/01/27 05:58:46
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
I believe these threads of OPs are meant to be slightly satirical.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not up on all the recent Eldar fluff; but isn't Biel-tan itself incredibly xenophobic?
I would like to see a scene between Eldar and imperium after an epic battle.
Eldar: we have won the day and this world is ours. We shall call it....this world.
Human: I think we should call it 'your grave!'
Eldar: argh, curse you sudden but inevitable betrayal!
2017/01/27 13:34:54
Subject: Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not up on all the recent Eldar fluff; but isn't Biel-tan itself incredibly xenophobic?
I would like to see a scene between Eldar and imperium after an epic battle.
Eldar: we have won the day and this world is ours. We shall call it....this world.
Human: I think we should call it 'your grave!'
Eldar: argh, curse you sudden but inevitable betrayal!
...
Human: Prepare to fire
Eldar: *Smiles*
......
Giant webway portals appear, with a vast mass of Eldar reinforcements arriving to surround the human army.
Eldar: Now what were you saying little Mon'keigh?
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2017/01/27 13:39:06
Subject: Re:Fracture of Biel-Tan: Isn't helping the Eldar a greater threat than Chaos?
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