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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 16:24:52
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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N/m, I made the mistake of unhiding one of your posts and replying to you. Shame on me
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 16:30:43
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Your loss...
For the record, the FBI cleared Flynn twice already.
Further more, treason is defined in the US Constitution as:
Section 3 defines treason and its punishment.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Even *if* Flynn directly discussed the sanctions, you'd be hard pressed to argue that it falls with this definition of 'treason'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 16:34:15
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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I don't know, if he actually offered the Russians a reduction in sanctions after the election for a little campaign assistance, then that kind of fits the point of "giving them Aid", don't you think? Sure, it's not the surest case ever, and I'd think they would try getting him convicted for something more foolproof, but it's not completely off the mark.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 16:36:06
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Witzkatz wrote:I don't know, if he actually offered the Russians a reduction in sanctions after the election for a little campaign assistance, then that kind of fits the point of "giving them Aid", don't you think? Sure, it's not the surest case ever, and I'd think they would try getting him convicted for something more foolproof, but it's not completely off the mark.
No, that would fall under other laws. Is Russia considered an enemy though? We aren't in a state of conflict with them. Hell, if we're going with this, then we need to hit John Kerry for it, with his "peace" talks with the North Vietnamese, while a member of the US Navy. That is definitely a more solid stone to stand on.*
*For the record, I'm not advocating it. Just pointing out how weak this claim of treason is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 16:41:41
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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It's funny how the right wing was being mocked for throwing around unwarranted accusations of treason regarding President Obama's administration and now it is the left doing the same thing regarding the Trump administration.
Come on, left wingers, don't be like Alec Jones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 16:44:14
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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I actually never expected anybody would really bring forward full-on treason for Michael Flynn, but rather some more low-level accusation molded into some kind of criminal offense - however, since Whembly brought up the actual law, and he actually did the worst that he is being accused of...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 16:44:32
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Breotan wrote:It's funny how the right wing was being mocked for throwing around unwarranted accusations of treason regarding President Obama's administration and now it is the left doing the same thing regarding the Trump administration.
Come on, left wingers, don't be like Alec Jones.
But if they're like Alec Jones, wouldnt that mean Trump might actually listen to them?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 16:45:54
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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There was one accusation of "potential treason" here...mostly its just pointing out the ridiculous double standard.
We're not into Alex Jones crazy by a longshot yet, the guy who believes that Obama is currently plotting a Bolshevik coup to return to power...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:05:55
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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We are back at the whole "the same gak Trump and W did made Clinton unacceptable, but I'm not really saying much about it with Trump" thing though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:08:31
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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d-usa wrote:We are back at the whole "the same gak Trump and W did made Clinton unacceptable, but I'm not really saying much about it with Trump" thing though.
Come back to me when Trump sets up a private email/ANYTHING with the express purpose of avoiding Congressional Review/FOIA regulations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:15:44
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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http://www.newsweek.com/trump-emails-rnc-reince-priebus-white-house-server-548191
But guess its ok since its not Trump himself, but Bannon has one and he's the "real" President right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:16:02
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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whembly wrote: d-usa wrote:We are back at the whole "the same gak Trump and W did made Clinton unacceptable, but I'm not really saying much about it with Trump" thing though.
Come back to me when Trump sets up a private email/ANYTHING with the express purpose of avoiding Congressional Review/FOIA regulations.
Members of his administration are already doing so, the same email system used to disappear 22 million emails by officials under the George W Bush administration. People have brought this up before, even in the last couple pages of this thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:17:29
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Vaktathi wrote: whembly wrote: d-usa wrote:We are back at the whole "the same gak Trump and W did made Clinton unacceptable, but I'm not really saying much about it with Trump" thing though.
Come back to me when Trump sets up a private email/ANYTHING with the express purpose of avoiding Congressional Review/FOIA regulations.
Members of his administration are already doing so, the same email system used to disappear 22 million emails by officials under the George W Bush administration. People have brought this up before, even in the last couple pages of this thread.
That was on the RNC server (which were found) over the unusual Bush firings of the DoJ prosecutors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:21:09
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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whembly wrote: Vaktathi wrote: whembly wrote: d-usa wrote:We are back at the whole "the same gak Trump and W did made Clinton unacceptable, but I'm not really saying much about it with Trump" thing though.
Come back to me when Trump sets up a private email/ANYTHING with the express purpose of avoiding Congressional Review/FOIA regulations.
Members of his administration are already doing so, the same email system used to disappear 22 million emails by officials under the George W Bush administration. People have brought this up before, even in the last couple pages of this thread.
That was on the RNC server (which were found) over the unusual Bush firings of the DoJ prosecutors.
eventually yes, but were never made public or kept in accordance with public records laws, and ultimately Trumps administration is using the same system with no apparent change in policies.
So...where is the outcry?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:23:15
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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This again?
You can't use official gov email accounts for campaign purposes... that's why they still have them. It's up to them to ensure that 'campaign stuff' goes into the RNC accounts and 'official business' goes onto gov email systems.
This isn't hard...
For the record, I hate these rules. I'm of the opinion that we need to pass a law to force EVERY high government officials to ONLY use government accounts... EVEN for campaign purposes or private 'paying your bills'. That way, everything is secured/encrypted/scanned/archived. The only exceptions would be, of course, the SIPRNet system (top secret stuff).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:24:24
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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whembly wrote:
This again?
You can't use official gov email accounts for campaign purposes... that's why they still have them. It's up to them to ensure that 'campaign stuff' goes into the RNC accounts and 'official business' goes onto gov email systems.
This isn't hard...
For the record, I hate these rules. I'm of the opinion that we need to pass a law to force EVERY high government officials to ONLY use government accounts... EVEN for campaign purposes or private 'paying your bills'. That way, everything is secured/encrypted/scanned/archived. The only exceptions would be, of course, the SIPRNet system (top secret stuff).
SIPR is for Secret level classification.
Just for clarification.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:25:09
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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djones520 wrote: whembly wrote: This again? You can't use official gov email accounts for campaign purposes... that's why they still have them. It's up to them to ensure that 'campaign stuff' goes into the RNC accounts and 'official business' goes onto gov email systems. This isn't hard... For the record, I hate these rules. I'm of the opinion that we need to pass a law to force EVERY high government officials to ONLY use government accounts... EVEN for campaign purposes or private 'paying your bills'. That way, everything is secured/encrypted/scanned/archived. The only exceptions would be, of course, the SIPRNet system (top secret stuff). SIPR is for Secret level classification. Just for clarification.
whoops... yeah, what I mean is all government classified stuff. (JWICS?) Damn governmental acronymism... I know NIPR is the non-classified net, which allows you to post on dakka... eh?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:35:54
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
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whembly wrote:
This again?
You can't use official gov email accounts for campaign purposes... that's why they still have them. It's up to them to ensure that 'campaign stuff' goes into the RNC accounts and 'official business' goes onto gov email systems.
This isn't hard...
For the record, I hate these rules. I'm of the opinion that we need to pass a law to force EVERY high government officials to ONLY use government accounts... EVEN for campaign purposes or private 'paying your bills'. That way, everything is secured/encrypted/scanned/archived. The only exceptions would be, of course, the SIPRNet system (top secret stuff).
but you're only willing to castigate one official to the ends of the universe for misuse of these systems, with seemingly no willingness to demand similar investigations or political opposition when misuse occurs by others.
At least be consistent here. All sides and every administration since email has been a thinf has engaged in these sorts of shennanigans, but only one person has ever been vehemently castigated for it. That reveals this issue as the canard it is, a pretext to beat that on person to death (politically speaking) based on preexisting grudges or general dislike, rather than a genuine concern over the issue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:41:02
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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whembly wrote: djones520 wrote: whembly wrote:
This again?
You can't use official gov email accounts for campaign purposes... that's why they still have them. It's up to them to ensure that 'campaign stuff' goes into the RNC accounts and 'official business' goes onto gov email systems.
This isn't hard...
For the record, I hate these rules. I'm of the opinion that we need to pass a law to force EVERY high government officials to ONLY use government accounts... EVEN for campaign purposes or private 'paying your bills'. That way, everything is secured/encrypted/scanned/archived. The only exceptions would be, of course, the SIPRNet system (top secret stuff).
SIPR is for Secret level classification.
Just for clarification.
whoops... yeah, what I mean is all government classified stuff. (JWICS?) Damn governmental acronymism... I know NIPR is the non-classified net, which allows you to post on dakka... eh?
If the firewall lets you. A couple months ago, Ft. Campbell shut Dakka off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:45:11
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Witzkatz wrote:I don't know, if he actually offered the Russians a reduction in sanctions after the election for a little campaign assistance, then that kind of fits the point of "giving them Aid", don't you think? Sure, it's not the surest case ever, and I'd think they would try getting him convicted for something more foolproof, but it's not completely off the mark.
Was he going to be more flexible after the election too?
Vaktathi wrote:There was one accusation of "potential treason" here...mostly its just pointing out the ridiculous double standard.
We're not into Alex Jones crazy by a longshot yet, the guy who believes that Obama is currently plotting a Bolshevik coup to return to power...
No, we're still at the Trump-is-literally-Hitler-and-all-gays-Muslims-and-immigrants-will-be-rounded-up, and anyone we disagree with is a Nazi who should be physically attacked because dissenting views are violence, stage
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:52:54
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:
No, we're still at the Trump-is-literally-Hitler-and-all-gays-Muslims-and-immigrants-will-be-rounded-up, and anyone we disagree with is a Nazi who should be physically attacked because dissenting views are violence, stage
Yes, that position is consistent with the Alex Jones-es of the left. You know, the ridiculous lunatic fringe.
You're not trying to paint everyone who is opposed to the Twit(ter)-in-Chief with that brush, are you?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 17:59:45
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:
No, we're still at the Trump-is-literally-Hitler-and-all-gays-Muslims-and-immigrants-will-be-rounded-up
While perhaps some stuff is overblown, he's laying a lot of familiar groundwork. Attacking the independent judiciary and laying the groundwork for a Reichstag fire style response by laying responsibility for any future terrorist attack at their feet, on top of immediate crackdowns on enforcement and additional restrictions aimed primarily at these sorts of groups, on top of attacking the media as a whole using many of the same lines and techniques and otherwise outright lying and ranting in official press conferences.
and anyone we disagree with is a Nazi who should be physically attacked because dissenting views are violence, stage
the only place I saw this advocated by anyone here was with someone who, by any standard, actually is a Nazi, Richard Spencer, and actually does advocate for all of the above stuff and worse. Outside of that its mostly just been general hooliganism taking advantage of public protests to go wild and then being cast as the whole of said protests.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 18:06:15
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 national guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by the Associated Press.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/trump-immigration-roundup-national-guard?CMP=fb_gu
now how could this possibly go wrong......
(a pretty good thing it doesn't seem to have been followed up, although given the frequency of completely opposite statements on a subjects from the Trump team I wouldn't be surprised if it popped up again)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 18:09:00
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 national guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by the Associated Press.
That's not their job. Is he really going to send national guard door-to-door to round up illegals? Does anyone think any commander is going to follow that order?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 18:11:54
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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He's been clear he thinks the military will do whatever he tells them to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 18:20:35
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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kronk wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 national guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by the Associated Press.
That's not their job. Is he really going to send national guard door-to-door to round up illegals? Does anyone think any commander is going to follow that order?
I'm sure some would be happy to anoint the troops and go forth to battle for the glory of god.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 18:25:17
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Rosebuddy wrote: kronk wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 national guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by the Associated Press.
That's not their job. Is he really going to send national guard door-to-door to round up illegals? Does anyone think any commander is going to follow that order?
I'm sure some would be happy to anoint the troops and go forth to battle for the glory of god.
Not sure I understand your statement. You aren't going to find much more Christian than the Mexicans and South-Americans that makes the bulk of illegals in the US.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 18:30:19
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Rosebuddy wrote: kronk wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 national guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by the Associated Press.
That's not their job. Is he really going to send national guard door-to-door to round up illegals? Does anyone think any commander is going to follow that order?
I'm sure some would be happy to anoint the troops and go forth to battle for the glory of god.
Not sure I understand your statement. You aren't going to find much more Christian than the Mexicans and South-Americans that makes the bulk of illegals in the US.
They may be referencing the disturbing belief among some that their is indeed a holy/race war underway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 18:42:25
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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whembly wrote: d-usa wrote:We are back at the whole "the same gak Trump and W did made Clinton unacceptable, but I'm not really saying much about it with Trump" thing though.
Come back to me when Trump sets up a private email/ANYTHING with the express purpose of avoiding Congressional Review/FOIA regulations.
You already admitted that you don't give a gak about the reason why it was done.
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The simple matter is if it were anyone else... that person/persons would be in the slammer, regardless of intent. No IF.AND.BUT. about it.
It's a 100% disqualifier for me.
Those two posts are 79 minutes apart and say the complete opposite thing. But I'm guessing that nobody is surprised here. Automatically Appended Next Post: Pruitt has been ordered by a court to release FOIA records that he has stonewalled for years that were requested to investigate his communications with fossil fuel organizations during the time he filed all his lawsuits against the EPA. The records he will be forced to release would show if he colaborated with the organizations he will regulate when he sued the organization he will regulate.
Naturally he was confirmed today before these records are released next week.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/17 18:59:16
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Vaktathi wrote: whembly wrote: This again? You can't use official gov email accounts for campaign purposes... that's why they still have them. It's up to them to ensure that 'campaign stuff' goes into the RNC accounts and 'official business' goes onto gov email systems. This isn't hard... For the record, I hate these rules. I'm of the opinion that we need to pass a law to force EVERY high government officials to ONLY use government accounts... EVEN for campaign purposes or private 'paying your bills'. That way, everything is secured/encrypted/scanned/archived. The only exceptions would be, of course, the SIPRNet system (top secret stuff).
but you're only willing to castigate one official to the ends of the universe for misuse of these systems, with seemingly no willingness to demand similar investigations or political opposition when misuse occurs by others.
Because, they're not, in any way shape or form comparable. They found what, 1 or 2, emails from Colin Powell's days and 10 of Condelezza Rice's aide that the State dept stated should've been sent on secured network (which they both disputes). A total of 12 emails in dispute. As for Bush's 22 million emails... those were for the subpoenas in the U.S. attorney firings investigation, which the backup files were eventually found and restored. As to why they were using these accounts in the first place, the Bush WH counsels told staffers to use RNC accounts to "err on the side of avoiding violations of the Hatch Act"... as communication plans to firing these attorneys could definitely be construed as a "political" event and whom to nominate. FWIW, I disagree with the WH counsels in this regard... but, then again, I'm not an attorney. At least be consistent here. All sides and every administration since email has been a thinf has engaged in these sorts of shennanigans, but only one person has ever been vehemently castigated for it. That reveals this issue as the canard it is, a pretext to beat that on person to death (politically speaking) based on preexisting grudges or general dislike, rather than a genuine concern over the issue.
Two things: 1) Yes, this was used as a blunt tool against Clinton... I won't apologize. 2) I also had GENUINE concerns as this ordeal showed a deliberate plan to maintain a private email server used EXCLUSIVELY by herself and her staff during their SoS tenure. Deliberately done to circumvent oversight and the federal records act. A communication infrastructure to support 'friends of clintons by way of foundation donors'. That's bad. What made it worst, is the fact that since this private email server was her only means of electronic communication, she sent/received classified information. So she facilitated a means that put our nation's secret in a compromised state just so that she and her cronies can control how much transparency they can get away with... Automatically Appended Next Post: d-usa wrote: whembly wrote: d-usa wrote:We are back at the whole "the same gak Trump and W did made Clinton unacceptable, but I'm not really saying much about it with Trump" thing though.
Come back to me when Trump sets up a private email/ANYTHING with the express purpose of avoiding Congressional Review/FOIA regulations. You already admitted that you don't give a gak about the reason why it was done.
Man... you are projecting a load here... whembly wrote: The simple matter is if it were anyone else... that person/persons would be in the slammer, regardless of intent. No IF.AND.BUT. about it. It's a 100% disqualifier for me. Those two posts are 79 minutes apart and say the complete opposite thing. But I'm guessing that nobody is surprised here.
No. They do not.
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