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Remember when people pointed out how insecure the Trump businesses email servers were and people brushed it off by saying that Trump wouldn't be using them for official business?
Do we really think his general internet security is going to be any more secure?
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jasper76 wrote: I'm not keeping close track, but it seems his ire is specifically focused on CNN, which to be fair is a big flaming pile of garbage, and has been since well before Trumps candidacy.
You should read the tweet that Trump made. He listed CNN as fake news, but also NYT, NBC, ABC and CBS
I'll take your word for it. I refuse to join Twitter.
What's pathetic is that while railing against these media outlets, it's so painfully obvious that he's desperate to gain their support and affirmation.
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Here’s a fact for the media to chew on: The “deep state” is here. As outlined in Foreign Policy, the concept of the deep state is nothing new. But the Trump presidency may serve as the galvanizing force that links some of the formal established Democratic opposition forces, including MoveOn.org, government unions and Black Lives Matter with the informal deep-state cadre of disgruntled liberal bureaucrats, the hostile mainstream media and the usual suspects on the left. It’s a troubling phenomenon, with anti-Trump organizations and Democratic-aligned civil servants conspiring to actively work against the incumbent government.
There might not be any central command guiding the deep-state actions, but it’s not hard for card-carrying Democratic party members, the mainstream media, liberal think tanks, government unions and other anti-Republican liberals of various stripes to naturally form into a collective grain that runs contrary to whatever elected Republicans in Congress and now in the White House want to accomplish. It’s just like when a school of fish move in unison, choreographed not because of some planned effort, but because it is in their nature. The bias against President Trump has become frantic, and the Democrats and their allies in the media overreach almost daily in attacking the president and Republicans in general.
“Deep state” is a sexy new label being used in Washington to describe embedded anonymous bureaucratic bias against President Trump and Republican rule. Specifically, the deep state is leaking documents, making confidential conversations public, pushing rogue social media accounts and otherwise acting in an underhanded manner to discredit the president, his Cabinet and the policy objectives of the Republicans. The use of encrypted chat programs to communicate and the continued leaks to various media outlets are just the start. Their tactics are beginning to spread to other Democratic sympathizers and form a continuous partisan assault both from within the government and from outside groups.
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At some level, this shouldn’t be surprising. The 2016 election was so vitriolic, and the Democrats’ belief that Hillary Clinton would be the next president was so strong, that their defeat carried extra weight. Members of the Democratic coalition are already firmly entrenched within the federal government and among the surrounding intelligentsia. They have the ability to feed their supporters information, giving the activists more reason to protest, which in turn conflates the liberal hype around the actions of the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress. It’s a vicious cycle.
At the same time all this is going on, the left has taken to painting Republicans with a broad brush as the “alt-right.” Well, as best I can tell, the alt-right is just a new way for the left to call Republicans racists and Nazis without actually having to say those terms out loud. To me, the deep state is real. The alt-right is not. The deep state may not be fully developed quite yet, but as the Democrats regain their footing and begin to coordinate and try to further and further damage the president’s credibility, it will have a detrimental impact on how our democracy functions and will further erode the public’s trust in government.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
But the alt-right is real. There is loads of documentary evidence in public. There is no evidence of the "deep state" except a few cases of the same kind of leaking that always happens under any administration, and can easily derive form individual action and whistle-blowing. There is nothing to characterise as a conspiracy.
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“Deep state” is a sexy new label being used in Washington to describe embedded anonymous bureaucratic bias against President Trump and Republican rule. Specifically, the deep state is leaking documents, making confidential conversations public, pushing rogue social media accounts and otherwise acting in an underhanded manner to discredit the president, his Cabinet and the policy objectives of the Republicans. The use of encrypted chat programs to communicate and the continued leaks to various media outlets are just the start. Their tactics are beginning to spread to other Democratic sympathizers and form a continuous partisan assault both from within the government and from outside groups.
Nope, not that interesting at all.
This part is funny though, the left doesn't need to discredit the president, he does it himself. the most damning thing you can do to trump, is quote trump. Then when the news quotes trump, in context and verbatim, they get labeled "fake news"
Who is this wackadoodle who wrote this?
"the deep state is real, the alt right is not" this is where he really loses it, in other words he's saying "let me paint with a broad brush against the dems while objecting to be treated that way.
.. if he really does get WH press accreditation as he claimed he will* fun times ahead then.
* I'd say no chance in hell of this happening but these days....
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A Town Called Malus wrote: Remember when people pointed out how insecure the Trump businesses email servers were and people brushed it off by saying that Trump wouldn't be using them for official business?
Do we really think his general internet security is going to be any more secure?
Trump presidency, the only way he could get out of his debts by using the american people.
We've been here before in American history with 'communist infiltration' in the 1950s, and pre-civil war, there were question marks over the loyalty of people from the slave states when they worked in or around Washington, especially the Federal Government.
When faced with the choice of opting for blunder or conspiracy, I usually opt for blunder when it comes to explaining government actions.
A Town Called Malus wrote: Remember when people pointed out how insecure the Trump businesses email servers were and people brushed it off by saying that Trump wouldn't be using them for official business?
Do we really think his general internet security is going to be any more secure?
Trump presidency, the only way he could get out of his debts by using the american people.
A few weeks back, I discovered that Trump had already submitted the paperwork for a crack at the 2020 presidential election...hours after taking office...
Could it be that the next 4 years is just one long Trump election campiagn for another 4 years?
Campaign mode seems to be his default position and it would certainly explain a few things
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A few weeks back, I discovered that Trump had already submitted the paperwork for a crack at the 2020 presidential election...hours after taking office...
Could it be that the next 4 years is just one long Trump election campiagn for another 4 years?
Campaign mode seems to be his default position and it would certainly explain a few things
Campaigning is default for many Presidents. They enjoy it and keep it up, typically to put pressure on their agenda.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Here’s a fact for the media to chew on: The “deep state” is here. As outlined in Foreign Policy, the concept of the deep state is nothing new. But the Trump presidency may serve as the galvanizing force that links some of the formal established Democratic opposition forces, including MoveOn.org, government unions and Black Lives Matter with the informal deep-state cadre of disgruntled liberal bureaucrats, the hostile mainstream media and the usual suspects on the left. It’s a troubling phenomenon, with anti-Trump organizations and Democratic-aligned civil servants conspiring to actively work against the incumbent government.
There might not be any central command guiding the deep-state actions, but it’s not hard for card-carrying Democratic party members, the mainstream media, liberal think tanks, government unions and other anti-Republican liberals of various stripes to naturally form into a collective grain that runs contrary to whatever elected Republicans in Congress and now in the White House want to accomplish. It’s just like when a school of fish move in unison, choreographed not because of some planned effort, but because it is in their nature. The bias against President Trump has become frantic, and the Democrats and their allies in the media overreach almost daily in attacking the president and Republicans in general.
“Deep state” is a sexy new label being used in Washington to describe embedded anonymous bureaucratic bias against President Trump and Republican rule. Specifically, the deep state is leaking documents, making confidential conversations public, pushing rogue social media accounts and otherwise acting in an underhanded manner to discredit the president, his Cabinet and the policy objectives of the Republicans. The use of encrypted chat programs to communicate and the continued leaks to various media outlets are just the start. Their tactics are beginning to spread to other Democratic sympathizers and form a continuous partisan assault both from within the government and from outside groups.
Read These Comments
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At some level, this shouldn’t be surprising. The 2016 election was so vitriolic, and the Democrats’ belief that Hillary Clinton would be the next president was so strong, that their defeat carried extra weight. Members of the Democratic coalition are already firmly entrenched within the federal government and among the surrounding intelligentsia. They have the ability to feed their supporters information, giving the activists more reason to protest, which in turn conflates the liberal hype around the actions of the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress. It’s a vicious cycle.
At the same time all this is going on, the left has taken to painting Republicans with a broad brush as the “alt-right.” Well, as best I can tell, the alt-right is just a new way for the left to call Republicans racists and Nazis without actually having to say those terms out loud. To me, the deep state is real. The alt-right is not. The deep state may not be fully developed quite yet, but as the Democrats regain their footing and begin to coordinate and try to further and further damage the president’s credibility, it will have a detrimental impact on how our democracy functions and will further erode the public’s trust in government.
Interesting in the sense that it is indicative of just how fast and loose some people will play with reality to prove a conspiracy while denying the ugly truth regarding their own faction. This author should write for Alex Jones.
Trump is a deeply unpopular president who has shown a remarkable lack of restraint and has two warring factions trying to guide him. It is no surprise then that he faces significant opposition. Alt-Right is not an invention of the left- white supremacists and nationalists used it as a term to make there ideologies more palatable to the mainstream. They have made it no secret that they see both the political left and traditional political conservatives ("cucks") as enemies.
It is why this election was so dangerous for conservatives- by embracing Trump's egotistical opportunism which embraces anyone who strokes his ego, they have allowed the enemy into their gates. The alt-right is very much trying to displace ideological conservatives and push out moderates.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Here’s a fact for the media to chew on: The “deep state” is here. As outlined in Foreign Policy, the concept of the deep state is nothing new. But the Trump presidency may serve as the galvanizing force that links some of the formal established Democratic opposition forces, including MoveOn.org, government unions and Black Lives Matter with the informal deep-state cadre of disgruntled liberal bureaucrats, the hostile mainstream media and the usual suspects on the left. It’s a troubling phenomenon, with anti-Trump organizations and Democratic-aligned civil servants conspiring to actively work against the incumbent government.
There might not be any central command guiding the deep-state actions, but it’s not hard for card-carrying Democratic party members, the mainstream media, liberal think tanks, government unions and other anti-Republican liberals of various stripes to naturally form into a collective grain that runs contrary to whatever elected Republicans in Congress and now in the White House want to accomplish. It’s just like when a school of fish move in unison, choreographed not because of some planned effort, but because it is in their nature. The bias against President Trump has become frantic, and the Democrats and their allies in the media overreach almost daily in attacking the president and Republicans in general.
“Deep state” is a sexy new label being used in Washington to describe embedded anonymous bureaucratic bias against President Trump and Republican rule. Specifically, the deep state is leaking documents, making confidential conversations public, pushing rogue social media accounts and otherwise acting in an underhanded manner to discredit the president, his Cabinet and the policy objectives of the Republicans. The use of encrypted chat programs to communicate and the continued leaks to various media outlets are just the start. Their tactics are beginning to spread to other Democratic sympathizers and form a continuous partisan assault both from within the government and from outside groups.
Read These Comments
The best conversations on The Washington Postthe ugly truth about their own factions.
At some level, this shouldn’t be surprising. The 2016 election was so vitriolic, and the Democrats’ belief that Hillary Clinton would be the next president was so strong, that their defeat carried extra weight. Members of the Democratic coalition are already firmly entrenched within the federal government and among the surrounding intelligentsia. They have the ability to feed their supporters information, giving the activists more reason to protest, which in turn conflates the liberal hype around the actions of the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress. It’s a vicious cycle.
At the same time all this is going on, the left has taken to painting Republicans with a broad brush as the “alt-right.” Well, as best I can tell, the alt-right is just a new way for the left to call Republicans racists and Nazis without actually having to say those terms out loud. To me, the deep state is real. The alt-right is not. The deep state may not be fully developed quite yet, but as the Democrats regain their footing and begin to coordinate and try to further and further damage the president’s credibility, it will have a detrimental impact on how our democracy functions and will further erode the public’s trust in government.
Interesting in the sense that it is indicative of just how fast and loose some people will play with reality to prove a conspiracy while denying the ugly truth regarding their own faction. This author should write for Alex Jones.
Trump is a deeply unpopular president who has shown a remarkable lack of restraint and has two warring factions trying to guide him. It is no surprise then that he faces significant opposition. Alt-Right is not an invention of the left- white supremacists and nationalists used it as a term to make there ideologies more palatable to the mainstream. They have made it no secret that they see both the political left and traditional political conservatives ("cucks") as enemies.
It is why this election was so dangerous for conservatives- by embracing Trump's egotistical opportunism which embraces anyone who strokes his ego, they have allowed the enemy into their gates. The alt-right is very much trying to displace ideological conservatives and push out moderates.
The GOP is effectively a zombie party anyway, so if they allow the alt-right to infiltrate them, then it's another nail in the GOP coffin.
A few weeks back, I discovered that Trump had already submitted the paperwork for a crack at the 2020 presidential election...hours after taking office...
Could it be that the next 4 years is just one long Trump election campiagn for another 4 years?
Campaign mode seems to be his default position and it would certainly explain a few things
Campaigning is default for many Presidents. They enjoy it and keep it up, typically to put pressure on their agenda.
I suppose there is some truth in this. Pence at least seems competent enough and is probably planning to do a 25th on Trump anyway
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Here’s a fact for the media to chew on: The “deep state” is here. As outlined in Foreign Policy, the concept of the deep state is nothing new. But the Trump presidency may serve as the galvanizing force that links some of the formal established Democratic opposition forces, including MoveOn.org, government unions and Black Lives Matter with the informal deep-state cadre of disgruntled liberal bureaucrats, the hostile mainstream media and the usual suspects on the left. It’s a troubling phenomenon, with anti-Trump organizations and Democratic-aligned civil servants conspiring to actively work against the incumbent government.
There might not be any central command guiding the deep-state actions, but it’s not hard for card-carrying Democratic party members, the mainstream media, liberal think tanks, government unions and other anti-Republican liberals of various stripes to naturally form into a collective grain that runs contrary to whatever elected Republicans in Congress and now in the White House want to accomplish. It’s just like when a school of fish move in unison, choreographed not because of some planned effort, but because it is in their nature. The bias against President Trump has become frantic, and the Democrats and their allies in the media overreach almost daily in attacking the president and Republicans in general.
“Deep state” is a sexy new label being used in Washington to describe embedded anonymous bureaucratic bias against President Trump and Republican rule. Specifically, the deep state is leaking documents, making confidential conversations public, pushing rogue social media accounts and otherwise acting in an underhanded manner to discredit the president, his Cabinet and the policy objectives of the Republicans. The use of encrypted chat programs to communicate and the continued leaks to various media outlets are just the start. Their tactics are beginning to spread to other Democratic sympathizers and form a continuous partisan assault both from within the government and from outside groups.
Read These Comments
The best conversations on The Washington Post
At some level, this shouldn’t be surprising. The 2016 election was so vitriolic, and the Democrats’ belief that Hillary Clinton would be the next president was so strong, that their defeat carried extra weight. Members of the Democratic coalition are already firmly entrenched within the federal government and among the surrounding intelligentsia. They have the ability to feed their supporters information, giving the activists more reason to protest, which in turn conflates the liberal hype around the actions of the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress. It’s a vicious cycle.
At the same time all this is going on, the left has taken to painting Republicans with a broad brush as the “alt-right.” Well, as best I can tell, the alt-right is just a new way for the left to call Republicans racists and Nazis without actually having to say those terms out loud. To me, the deep state is real. The alt-right is not. The deep state may not be fully developed quite yet, but as the Democrats regain their footing and begin to coordinate and try to further and further damage the president’s credibility, it will have a detrimental impact on how our democracy functions and will further erode the public’s trust in government.
Hrm, there very much is an alt-right, and many that will claim to be a part of it openly. The idea that it's some sort of canard to broad-brush paint "the right" as nazi's is...a deflection without basis in reality. These people exist, acknowledge this effort as a real and coordinated effort, and many accept this label. This "deep state" sounds exactly like what the author is attempting to portray the "alt-right" as, instead of simply accepting that large segments of the population don't like Trump and is looking for a way to simply blanket label and then dismiss them.
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I'd link their subreddit again, but it got banned for doxxing and threatening violence, so you can't see it in all it's putrid mess. They probably have a voat page if anybody wants to see a bunch of neo-nazis being neo-nazis though.
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Vaktathi wrote: Hrm, there very much is an alt-right, and many that will claim to be a part of it openly. The idea that it's some sort of canard to broad-brush paint "the right" as nazi's is...a deflection without basis in reality. These people exist, acknowledge this effort as a real and coordinated effort, and many accept this label. This "deep state" sounds exactly like what the author is attempting to portray the "alt-right" as, instead of simply accepting that large segments of the population don't like Trump and is looking for a way to simply blanket label and then dismiss them.
The problem is, no-one can really provide a definition of what "alt-right" means. Is it the YouTube kids talking about anti-SJW stuff who claim to oppose racism and sexism? Is it legit white supremacists like the Spencer guy? Is it people whose primary motivation is protecting US labor? Is it Trump supporters in general?
Many articles call it a "vaguely defined" group, which isn't helpful. And in particular, the lumping in of white supremacists is not helpful, because most of the "alt-right" people I see online are against white supremacy.
To me, it means "people that I don't agree witb" until someone can come up with a satisfactory definition of what the hell it is they are talking about.
Vaktathi wrote: Hrm, there very much is an alt-right, and many that will claim to be a part of it openly. The idea that it's some sort of canard to broad-brush paint "the right" as nazi's is...a deflection without basis in reality. These people exist, acknowledge this effort as a real and coordinated effort, and many accept this label. This "deep state" sounds exactly like what the author is attempting to portray the "alt-right" as, instead of simply accepting that large segments of the population don't like Trump and is looking for a way to simply blanket label and then dismiss them.
The problem is, no-one can really provide a definition of what "alt-right" means. Is it the YouTube kids talking about anti-SJW stuff who claim to oppose racism and sexism? Is it legit white supremacists like the Spencer guy? Is it people whose primary motivation is protecting US labor? Is it Trump supporters in general?
Many articles call it a "vaguely defined" group, which isn't helpful. And in particular, the lumping in of white supremacists is not helpful, because most of the "alt-right" people I see online are against white supremacy.
To me, it means "people that I don't agree witb" until someone can come up with a satisfactory definition of what the hell it is they are talking about.
That's because, similar to stuff like the BLM. it isn't an organized group, but a sort of movement. A movement centered around white nationalism and isolationism.
Kilkrazy wrote: What is the underpinning theory of the alt-right movement?
SJW-ism is motivated by two core theories; 1. That human rights demands equality for women and gay people, etc. 2. That inclusion of a diverse population makes society stronger economically and socially.
The second of these ideas has some backing from cognitive psychology, i.e. the avoidance of group-think by inclusion of dissenting voices. The first obviously is an ethical matter.
Does alt-right-ism have any similar theoretical basis?
So, if we agree with Killkrazy on his two points about what SJW is, creating what Alt-Right represents is easy if they are on opposition.
1. That Human Rights do NOT extend equality for woman and gay people (and probably others).
2. That inclusion of a diverse population does NOT make society stronger.
Therefore, if some anti-SJW kid on the internet is ranting that everyone should be equal, then they are not Alt-right since they are in conflict with Alt-right points 1 and 2. We will all need to be mindful of what someone is actually arguing.
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That's because, similar to stuff like the BLM. it isn't an organized group, but a sort of movement. A movement centered around white nationalism and isolationism.
So you personally are discluding people who are anti-white suoremacy, and take no stance on isolationism.
But other people include these people for other reasons, for example people who are opposed to modern feminism and SJW culture, but do not believe in white supremacy or isolationism.
Definitions so far are too vague and personal, and assume coalition where none exists. It's almost like a pet term whose meaning varies from person to person.
That's why I say the only thing it seems to mean is "people I don't agree with".
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That's because, similar to stuff like the BLM. it isn't an organized group, but a sort of movement. A movement centered around white nationalism and isolationism.
So you personally are discluding people who are anti-white suoremacy, and take no stance on isolationism.
But other people include these people for other reasons, for example people who are opposed to modern feminism and SJW culture, but do not believe in white supremacy or isolationism.
Definitions so far are too vague and personal, and assume coalition where none exists. It's almost like a pet term whose meaning varies from person to person.
That's why I say the only thing it seems to mean is "people I don't agree with".
The intent is to pigeon hole all those who disagree as racist neo nazis. Same playbook the Democratic party has done for a generation, just a different term.
Inversely the real Trump supporters attack anyone who is not 100% following the plan at that particular minute, especially with the new phrase: fake news (believer, etc.)
So its "alt right" vs. "fake news" Stay tuned boys and girls for next week's terms for the Green and Purple Parties.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
That's because, similar to stuff like the BLM. it isn't an organized group, but a sort of movement. A movement centered around white nationalism and isolationism.
So you personally are discluding people who are anti-white suoremacy, and take no stance on isolationism.
But other people include these people for other reasons, for example people who are opposed to modern feminism and SJW culture, but do not believe in white supremacy or isolationism.
Definitions so far are too vague and personal, and assume coalition where none exists. It's almost like a pet term whose meaningful varies from person to person.
Not disculding, no, I said centered around, not only.
And, as I said, it's not an organized group, it's an ideology. It's like saying "what is liberalism" or "what is conservatism". It's a blanket term describing a large number of varying terms. In politics not everything can go down to a nice definition and you just have to accept that. The best way to describe it would be anti-progressivism. These are the people who feel threatened by equality and globalism, and multiculturalism.
Also read those links, those are the self-described alt-right.
That's because, similar to stuff like the BLM. it isn't an organized group, but a sort of movement. A movement centered around white nationalism and isolationism.
So you personally are discluding people who are anti-white suoremacy, and take no stance on isolationism.
But other people include these people for other reasons, for example people who are opposed to modern feminism and SJW culture, but do not believe in white supremacy or isolationism.
Definitions so far are too vague and personal, and assume coalition where none exists. It's almost like a pet term whose meaning varies from person to person.
That's why I say the only thing it seems to mean is "people I don't agree with".
The intent is to pigeon hole all those who disagree as racist neo nazis. Same playback the Democratic party has done for a generation, just a different term.
No it isn't Frazz, read the links I posted. This is an actual group. A great amount of pain has been taken to differentiate the two, because the two are not the same. Both liberals and conservatives should reject these groups, and we have seen the to some degree.
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I am sure there is an actual group. However it is now being thrown around as a pejorative to describe anyone not with the Dem program. See Slate, Salon, and Washington Post commentaries for examples.
Inversely see Townhall for examples of "Fake-news" being thrown around for those who disagree with whatever fever dream tweet just erupted from Trump.
Same thing as Obama, as Bush II, as Clinton, as Reagan. Terms are different, the intent is the same.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
@Color Shas: You are ignoring the fact that many people who are identified as alt-right voice opposition to white supremacy and do not take a position on isolationism.
Anti-progressivism does not mean white supremacy, or isolationism. It does not mean you are threatened by equality.
"Alt-right" is too vague a term to be helpful, and I question the motives of people who want to lump everyone they don't agree with with an "alt-right stamp".
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Frazzled wrote: I am sure there is an actual group. However it is now being thrown around as a pejorative to describe anyone not with the Dem program. See Slate, Salon, and Washington Post commentaries for examples.
There's your problem.
I will agree there are some people who push the "all republicans/conservatives are racist" BS (part of the reason I'm not a democrat), but it should not be taken as defualt. The "alt-right" is a real thing, and should be cast out. The big concern, however, is that they are gaining power.
Inversely see Townhall for examples of "Fake-news" being thrown around for those who disagree with whatever fever dream tweet just erupted from Trump.
Same thing as Obama, as Bush II, as Clinton, as Reagan. Terms are different, the intent is the same.
Their are partisan idiots on both sides, but that should not detract form the real use of the word.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
What detracts from real use is when that word is then used willy nilly. Its like the Clinton 'Deplorables' comment.
More importantly to your issue, the clock is ticking. If improvements are not made in a short period of time, those voters will fall by the wayside and the Democrats will regain power. Considering Trump's approval ratings are fluttering (depending on poll) time may be short indeed.
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Are we pretending that it's only left that uses terms to paint huge groups? And are we pretending that actual bad groups don't exist because some people use the label incorrectly?
jasper76 wrote: @Color Shas: You are ignoring the fact that many people who are identified as alt-right voice opposition to white supremacy and do not take a position on isolationism.
Anti-progressivism does not mean white supremacy, or isolationism. It does not mean you are threatened by equality.
"Alt-right" is too vague a term to be helpful, and I question the motives of people who want to lump everyone they don't agree with with an "alt-right stamp".
I hope you also question the motives of those who throw around the term SJW, liberal, conservative, progressive, and libertarian as well. We should always wonder what the agenda each group is pushing is, and then align ourselves witht he one we think fits our needs best at the moment.
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jasper76 wrote: @Color Shas: You are ignoring the fact that many people who are identified as alt-right voice opposition to white supremacy and do not take a position on isolationism.
And I'm sure their are nazis who were only in it for the pro-german stuff, and didn't hate jews. Plus, going "But there are some people who say something different!" isn't a great argument. If I say I am liberal and want to kill all the jews, does that mean that killing all the jews is a liberal tenant? No.
Anti-progressivism does not mean white supremacy, or isolationism. It does not mean you are threatened by equality.
Considering the main (and really only) core of progressveism on the social side is equality, I think by definition, it does.
Also anti-progressivism is just one thing, included with white-supreme and isolationism, I never said they were part of anti-progressivism.
"Alt-right" is too vague a term to be helpful, and I question the motives of people who want to lump everyone they don't agree with with an "alt-right stamp".
It's as helpful as any other term describing a group of myriad beliefs (see "liberal," "conservative," "progressive," "republican." "democrat"). If you don't like it you don't have to use it.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
