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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 15:59:53
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Good. The idea of an hyper-partisan advisor with no actual security or military credentials as a permanent member of the NSC is just stupid.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:03:31
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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From CNN:
Steve Bannon removed from National Security Council
From CNN’s Jeremy Diamond:
Steve Bannon, President Trump’s chief strategist, has been removed from the National Security Council.
An official says Bannon was only on board to oversee Flynn's work to "deoperationalize" the NSC from the broad purview it had under Susan Rice.
The White House has sought to return a lot of control to the Department of Defense and other national security agencies.
 What the hell does that even mean?
Kudos for HR McMaster for straightening this out (and kudos from Trump for selecting this guy).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:04:32
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:06:11
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Its on the top banner on CNN
This is good though, he didnt belong there in the first place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:08:34
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Longtime Dakkanaut
On a surly Warboar, leading the Waaagh!
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WrentheFaceless wrote:
Its on the top banner on CNN
This is good though, he didnt belong there in the first place.
HUGE difference between getting removed from a position he didn't belong in and "getting sacked". There's an awful lot of post first, read later, going on around here lately.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:30:15
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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And even though he's been removed from the position, he is apparently still allowed to attend the meetings.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:45:29
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Tannhauser42 wrote:And even though he's been removed from the position, he is apparently still allowed to attend the meetings.
Right... back to how the previous administration have done with that role.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:53:54
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:If anybody from the state department is reading this, I'd be happy to provide advice to the Trump admin on what to do about North Korea.
For the modest fee of $10,000 an hour of course.
Part of the solution has always been to put the ball in China's court, and this is what I would do:
Announce moves to build a new missle defence system in South Korea and drop subtle hints that its range would probably extend to China as well given the proximity of SK to China...
Send Trump to Taiwan. Drop not so subtle hints about more arms sales to Taiwan in light of the North Korean situation.
Have the US defence sec head to Japan for covert talks about bolstering Japan's military. Again, leak news of this. Blame it on wikileaks or something...
If China objects, then blame them for it. You have caused this by your failure to control NK. Talking has failed. Sanctions have failed. We're playing hardball now, and if missle defence technology covers China, then too bad. We have a right to defend our allies...
Say that military option is on the table...
Offer carrot as well as stick. Suggest that China should step in and supervise any NK nuclear test site and or weapons as a compromise solution. China gets to save face, whilst curbing the wackier impulses of boy blunder.
Propose long term solution that a united Korea can choose 'neutral' path, allied with neither China nor the USA, much like Ukraine after the cold war...
China gets US troops away from its border. USA ends North Korea threat, loses South Korea but still has key allies and locations in the region.
You sure you don't want paying in NK Won? seems like it.
China has silently been disapproving of NK for a number of years and has tried reigning back the leadership.
If the US ramps up its rhetoric you have greater risk of the political and military elite circling their wagons and redoubling efforts for the great leader. Tying their colours tighter to his mast as 'regime change' must lead to their demise.
This rehtoric from Trump has the aim of making China look weak. Which is politically fething dumb. Especially If NK see Chinas attempts at diplomacy as puppeted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:54:35
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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whembly wrote: Tannhauser42 wrote:And even though he's been removed from the position, he is apparently still allowed to attend the meetings.
Right... back to how the previous administration have done with that role.
Really? That seems absurd. Is it common for hyper partisan, un-elected people with zero prior experience to attend NSC meetings?
Genuine question.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 17:01:10
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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feeder wrote: whembly wrote: Tannhauser42 wrote:And even though he's been removed from the position, he is apparently still allowed to attend the meetings.
Right... back to how the previous administration have done with that role.
Really? That seems absurd. Is it common for hyper partisan, un-elected people with zero prior experience to attend NSC meetings?
Genuine question.
Yup. Various Obama's advisor sat in those meetings. I distinctly remember Bush/Clinton people "unofficially" attending those meetings (whatever that meant).
What's not normal was making Bannon a permanent member a few months back. Ideally, you don't want *any* partisan folks in the NSC as the NSC primary job is to collect intelligence and prepare reports for the POTUS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 17:15:01
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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whembly wrote: feeder wrote: whembly wrote: Tannhauser42 wrote:And even though he's been removed from the position, he is apparently still allowed to attend the meetings.
Right... back to how the previous administration have done with that role.
Really? That seems absurd. Is it common for hyper partisan, un-elected people with zero prior experience to attend NSC meetings?
Genuine question.
Yup. Various Obama's advisor sat in those meetings. I distinctly remember Bush/Clinton people "unofficially" attending those meetings (whatever that meant).
What's not normal was making Bannon a permanent member a few months back. Ideally, you don't want *any* partisan folks in the NSC as the NSC primary job is to collect intelligence and prepare reports for the POTUS.
Do we know who these other advisors were? What their previous experience was?
I fail to see what Bannon's role in Trump's circle is, other than a font of xenophobic lies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 17:23:57
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Well, that's the thing. Bannon wasn't the National Security Advisor. He was the "White House Chief Strategist," a position Trump made up and which caused worries at the time with Bannon's installation to the NSC. Obama's picks for Advisor were James Jones, Tom Donilon, and Susan Rice. Trump's have been Michael Flynn, Keith Kellogg, and H.R. McMaster. Huh. Trump has gone through as many National Security Advisors that Obama had in less than 80 days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 17:40:50
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
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http://www.npr.org/2017/04/05/522629542/fact-check-trumps-claim-2009-stimulus-measure-built-nothing
Trump says complete untrue things, nothing new here.
We have reached the point where I'm be more surprised he's telling the truth when he opens his mouth than lying.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 18:08:22
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Frazzled wrote:Except of course, no Democrat will vote for a Republican bill, regardless of what is in it.
Lets not make things up, please. 36 Democrats in the house voted for Mattis's waiver, and he was confirmed 99-1. Shulkin was confirmed 100-1. Nikki Haley was 96-4. Chao was 93-6. S 442 (NASA appropriations) was passed unanimously, the removing of Social Security from NICS got enough democratic votes to easily pass the house and Senate, and so on, and so forth.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 18:22:49
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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I am referring to legislation. plus that was early on. I find it doubtful you'll get more than a smattering of Democrats now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 18:23:35
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Ouze summed it up best earlier.
A rogue nation, that has threatened to destroy the USA on numerous occasions, is actively trying to aquire nuclear weapons and the USA is supposed to sit back and take this on the chin?
I've long been a critic of US foreign policy, and IMO, becuase it's Trump, people are letting that cloud their judgement, but any US president, be they Lincoln, FDR, Washington, could not and would not allow that to pass. It would dereliction of POTUS's duty to protect the nation.
If the Chinese can't see that, then they're not as smart as they're made out to be. Every nation on Earth has the right to self-defence. Not for a minute am I saying that the USA should roll over North Korea right this minute, but the USA should be handing out final warnings to NK and China.
If there's even a hint that NK is about to launch missles at the US mainland or US bases in Asia, then Pyongyang goes back to the Stone Age.
For what it's worth, I don't think the NKs are that stupid. Gaining nukes is just another way of proppping up their basket case regime, but it wouldn't hurt to have the USA put the military option on the table, just to remind the NKs of cause and effect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 18:25:23
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Frazzled: Of course China has made moves to claim sovereignty over adjacent waters. It is an emergent power and is asserting itself. But it is back and forth, low intensity stuff. The South China Sea disputes are mainly driven by oil reserves and we feel free to conduct operations in the matter despite the fact we are not a member of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) because we don't like *our* sovereignty challenged.
Likewise, saying that China engages in trade, currency, and IP manipulation is a bit disingenuous as we certainly play those games (it's called fiscal and trade policy) and US IP laws have some pretty bonkers protectionism going on. Nonetheless, again, it's pretty low intensity stuff that Trump has ramped up the rhetoric on to a level that seems wholly inappropriate while lacking a coherent policy.
Initially, he took a hardline tack, going so far as to question the one China policy (a definite slap to China). Tillerson even mentioned a blockade at one point- an act of war! But then you have the Tillerson meeting and the administration seems to be towing an acquiescence line. The question will be whether this represents a softening of tone, insincere language, or something else. Regardless, having to wait and see what the heck the policy is going to be (if anything coherent) is a poor diplomatic position to be in for our country.
I am very confused by your statement on Chinese entry into GATT; we put additional restriction on entry to open up their markets and they made huge structural changes. It was a tremendous move toward internationalism by the Chinese. Are you saying we should have discouraged more open trade and sought isolationism to keep them more like NK? Or are you just disappointed that US business interests have exploited the opportunities this has afforded at the expense of the American people?
Do_I_Not_Like_That: The problem is that NK represents approximately 0 real threat to the US, and marching through China's back yard is probably not a great idea. It's why diplomacy matters. China wants to be respected and flex regional muscle, but they don't want to appear to be US puppets. We can align interests, but not with careless hollow threats.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 18:28:39
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Frazzled wrote:I am referring to legislation. plus that was early on. I find it doubtful you'll get more than a smattering of Democrats now.
The Mattis waiver was legislation, they had to pass a bill to do it. It's actually one of the only bills, and really only bill of note, that Trump has signed (he's signed like 12). And what do you mean "early on"? It is still early on. He's been there three months.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 18:49:19
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Frazzled wrote:I am referring to legislation. plus that was early on. I find it doubtful you'll get more than a smattering of Democrats now.
1.) I included 3 pieces of legislation. There may be more, those were the first 3 I checked. Why are you pretending I didn't include those examples?
2.) "That was early on" - this presidency is barely 90 days old.
(oops, Gordon already addressed this)
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I've long been a critic of US foreign policy, and IMO, becuase it's Trump, people are letting that cloud their judgement, but any US president, be they Lincoln, FDR, Washington, could not and would not allow that to pass. It would dereliction of POTUS's duty to protect the nation.
Technically, I think this would be the, like, third President to not significantly deal with the problem  so it's really not a partisan issue. I understand why, it's a huge, big problem, just like Syria.
I've wobbled a lot on Syria but ultimately don't think we really have a significant national interest there, and when coupled with the fact I legitimately think we can't fix that problem, realistically - I'm anti-intervention. Yes, it's terrible. It's utterly horrible - but we can only make it worse. We're making it worse now by lengthening the conflict.
North Korea is worse in terms of political will and actual military challenges. Way, way worse. However, I think we absolutely have a significant national interest in resolving this issue. I'm not endorsing an invasion which is going to be extremely difficult for a bajillion reasons, but the NK problem is not improving with time - quite the opposite. There is no reason to wait until they can successfully mount and launch nuclear tipped ICBMs to begin working with China to ameliorate this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 18:58:05
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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jmurph wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That: The problem is that NK represents approximately 0 real threat to the US, and marching through China's back yard is probably not a great idea. It's why diplomacy matters. China wants to be respected and flex regional muscle, but they don't want to appear to be US puppets. We can align interests, but not with careless hollow threats.
However, NK absolutely threatens SK and Japan.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 19:09:43
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Gordon Shumway wrote: Frazzled wrote:I am referring to legislation. plus that was early on. I find it doubtful you'll get more than a smattering of Democrats now.
The Mattis waiver was legislation, they had to pass a bill to do it. It's actually one of the only bills, and really only bill of note, that Trump has signed (he's signed like 12). And what do you mean "early on"? It is still early on. He's been there three months.
The Trump Presidency's age is like dog years. Thats really 21 months.
But you have a point. I do believe their position has hardened up recently and will become ironlike if the nuke option is utilized. I would if I were in their shoes.
Again, this is where Trump is he was the deal guy he talks about being, would be behnd the scenes making a deal. For a man who fancies himself the reincarnation of Johnson he acts more like Kardashian.
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Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Frazzled wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: Frazzled wrote:I am referring to legislation. plus that was early on. I find it doubtful you'll get more than a smattering of Democrats now.
The Mattis waiver was legislation, they had to pass a bill to do it. It's actually one of the only bills, and really only bill of note, that Trump has signed (he's signed like 12). And what do you mean "early on"? It is still early on. He's been there three months.
The Trump Presidency's age is like dog years. Thats really 21 months.
But you have a point. I do believe their position has hardened up recently and will become ironlike if the nuke option is utilized. I would if I were in their shoes.
Again, this is where Trump is he was the deal guy he talks about being, would be behnd the scenes making a deal. For a man who fancies himself the reincarnation of Johnson he acts more like Kardashian.
Ooooooo... I like that Fraz... Trump is the political version of the Kardasians.
Even if that's unfair to the Kardasians.
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They're both terrible and dont deserve the attention given to them.
I bet if we sent the Trumps and Kardashians to North Korea, they'd offer unconditional surrender to take them away
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Frazzled wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: Frazzled wrote:I am referring to legislation. plus that was early on. I find it doubtful you'll get more than a smattering of Democrats now.
The Mattis waiver was legislation, they had to pass a bill to do it. It's actually one of the only bills, and really only bill of note, that Trump has signed (he's signed like 12). And what do you mean "early on"? It is still early on. He's been there three months.
The Trump Presidency's age is like dog years. Thats really 21 months.
But you have a point. I do believe their position has hardened up recently and will become ironlike if the nuke option is utilized. I would if I were in their shoes.
Again, this is where Trump is he was the deal guy he talks about being, would be behnd the scenes making a deal. For a man who fancies himself the reincarnation of Johnson he acts more like Kardashian.
He is a Kardashian. Self inflated ego? Check. Cares more about media than substance? Check? All media is good media? Check. Hates the coverage he gets? Checks. Has no idea what he is doing at any given moment? Check. Has no foreign or domestic policy experience? Check. Gets people to be upset over the stupidest things? Check. Has a hair expenedute above the median income? Check. Has/had his own reality show? Check.
I would place him more at the Honey Boo Boo level of intelligence however. At least he hasn't gone all home reno show and redone the entire White House in ship lap. So I guess that's a plus? Once Joanna is nominated as a cabinet advisor, I'm checking out of the world.
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Gordon Shumway wrote: Frazzled wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: Frazzled wrote:I am referring to legislation. plus that was early on. I find it doubtful you'll get more than a smattering of Democrats now.
The Mattis waiver was legislation, they had to pass a bill to do it. It's actually one of the only bills, and really only bill of note, that Trump has signed (he's signed like 12). And what do you mean "early on"? It is still early on. He's been there three months.
The Trump Presidency's age is like dog years. Thats really 21 months.
But you have a point. I do believe their position has hardened up recently and will become ironlike if the nuke option is utilized. I would if I were in their shoes.
Again, this is where Trump is he was the deal guy he talks about being, would be behnd the scenes making a deal. For a man who fancies himself the reincarnation of Johnson he acts more like Kardashian.
He is a Kardashian. Self inflated ego? Check. Cares more about media than substance? Check? All media is good media? Check. Hates the coverage he gets? Checks. Has no idea what he is doing at any given moment? Check. Has no foreign or domestic policy experience? Check. Gets people to be upset over the stupidest things? Check. Has a hair expenedute above the median income? Check. Has/had his own reality show? Check.
I would place him more at the Honey Boo Boo level of intelligence however. At least he hasn't gone all home reno show and redone the entire White House in ship lap. So I guess that's a plus?
I...I agree with everything you just typed. Someone hold me!
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For what it is worth, here are the bills signed so far by Trump and the votes:
H.R. 255: Promoting Women in Entrepreneurship Act
Sponsor: Elizabeth Esty, D
Voice vote in the house, unanimous consent in the Senate.
S. 442: National Aeronautics and Space Administration Transition Authorization Act of 2017
Sponsor: Ted Cruz, R
Unanimous Consent in the Senate, Voice Vote in the House
H.R. 321: Inspiring the Next Space Pioneers, Innovators, Researchers, and Explorers (INSPIRE) Women Act
Sponsor: Barbara Comstock, R
Voice Vote in both House and Senate
H.R. 72: GAO Access and Oversight Act of 2017
Sponsor: Buddy Carter, R
Voice Vote in House, 99 Senators voted in favor, 1 Republican did not vote.
H.J.Res. 69: Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the final rule of the Department of the Interior relating to “Non-Subsistence Take of Wildlife, and Public Participation and Closure Procedures, on National Wildlife Refuges in Alaska”
Sponsor: Don Young, R
House Vote: 5 Democrats for, 10 Republicans against. Senate Vote: Party Line
H.J.Res. 83: Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to “Clarification of Employer’s Continuing Obligation to Make and Maintain an Accurate Record of Each Recordable Injury and Illness”.
Sponsor: Bradley Byrne, R
House Vote: 4 Democrats for, 6 Republicans against. Senate Vote: Party Line
S.J.Res. 34: A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to “Protecting the Privacy of Customers of Broadband and Other Telecommunications Services”
Sponsor: Jeff Flake, R
Senate Vote: Party Line. House Vote: No Democrats for, 15 Republicans against.
H.J.Res. 42: Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to drug testing of unemployment compensation applicants.
Sponsor: Kevin Brady, R
House Vote: 4 Democrats for, 1 Republican against. Senate Vote: Party Line.
S.J.Res. 1: A joint resolution approving the location of a memorial to commemorate and honor the members of the Armed Forces who served on active duty in support of Operation Desert Storm or Operation Desert Shield.
Sponsor: John Boozman, R
Senate: Unanimous Consent. House: No objections.
H.J.Res. 44: Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of the Interior relating to Bureau of Land Management regulations that establish the procedures used to prepare, revise, or amend land use plans pursuant to the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976.
Sponsor: Liz Cheney, R
House Vote: 4 Democrats for, 4 Republicans against. Senate Vote: Party Line
H.J.Res. 37: Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Defense, the General Services Administration, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration relating to the Federal Acquisition Regulation.
Sponsor: Virginia Foxx, R
House Vote: 3 Democrats for, 1 Republican against. Senate Vote: Party Line
H.J.Res. 57: Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of Education relating to accountability and State plans under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965.
Sponsor: Todd Rokita, R
House: 1 Republican against. Senate: 1 Republican against.
H.J.Res. 58: Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of Education relating to teacher preparation issues.
Sponsor: Brett Guthrie, R
House Vote: 5 Democrats for. Senate Vote: 7 Democrats for.
H.J.Res. 40: Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007
Sponsor: Sam Johnson, R
House Vote: 6 Democrats for, 2 Republicans against. Senate Vote: 4 Democrats for.
H.J.Res. 38: Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of the Interior known as the Stream Protection Rule.
Sponsor: Bill Johnson, R
House Vote: 4 Democrats for, 9 Republicans against. Senate Vote: 4 Democrats for, 1 Republican against.
H.J.Res. 41: Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Securities and Exchange Commission relating to “Disclosure of Payments by Resource Extraction Issuers”.
Sponsor: Bill Huizenga, R
House Vote: 5 Democrats for, 4 Republicans against. Senate Vote: Party Line.
H.R. 1362: To name the Department of Veterans Affairs community-based outpatient clinic in Pago Pago, American Samoa, the Faleomavaega Eni Fa’aua’a Hunkin VA Clinic.
Sponsor: Aumua Amata, R
House Vote: 185 Democrats for, 2 Republicans against. Senate: Unanimous Consent
H.R. 609: To designate the Department of Veterans Affairs health care center in Center Township, Butler County, Pennsylvania, as the “Abie Abraham VA Clinic”.
Sponsor: Mike Kelly, R
House Vote: Voice Vote. Senate Vote: Unanimous Consent
H.R. 1228: To provide for the appointment of members of the Board of Directors of the Office of Compliance to replace members whose terms expire during 2017, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Gregg Harper, R
House Vote: No Objections. Senate Vote: Unanimous Consent
S. 305: Vietnam War Veterans Recognition Act of 2017
Sponsor: Patrick “Pat” Toomey, R
Senate: Unanimous Consent. House: Voice Vote.
S. 84: A bill to provide for an exception to a limitation against appointment of persons as Secretary of Defense within seven years of relief from active duty as a regular commissioned officer of the Armed Forces.
Sponsor: John McCain, R
Senate Vote: 30 Democrats for. House Vote: 36 Democrats for.
H.R. 39: Tested Ability to Leverage Exceptional National Talent Act of 2017 or the TALENT Act of 2017
Sponsor: Kevin McCarthy, R
House Vote: 169 Democrats for, 17 Republicans against. Senate Vote: Unanimous Consent
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 19:27:22
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Frazzled wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: Frazzled wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: Frazzled wrote:I am referring to legislation. plus that was early on. I find it doubtful you'll get more than a smattering of Democrats now.
The Mattis waiver was legislation, they had to pass a bill to do it. It's actually one of the only bills, and really only bill of note, that Trump has signed (he's signed like 12). And what do you mean "early on"? It is still early on. He's been there three months.
The Trump Presidency's age is like dog years. Thats really 21 months.
But you have a point. I do believe their position has hardened up recently and will become ironlike if the nuke option is utilized. I would if I were in their shoes.
Again, this is where Trump is he was the deal guy he talks about being, would be behnd the scenes making a deal. For a man who fancies himself the reincarnation of Johnson he acts more like Kardashian.
He is a Kardashian. Self inflated ego? Check. Cares more about media than substance? Check? All media is good media? Check. Hates the coverage he gets? Checks. Has no idea what he is doing at any given moment? Check. Has no foreign or domestic policy experience? Check. Gets people to be upset over the stupidest things? Check. Has a hair expenedute above the median income? Check. Has/had his own reality show? Check.
I would place him more at the Honey Boo Boo level of intelligence however. At least he hasn't gone all home reno show and redone the entire White House in ship lap. So I guess that's a plus?
I...I agree with everything you just typed. Someone hold me!
I will hold you. Is that still outlawed in Texas?
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Why would people vote against having a national talent act? We spent our money on much stupider things. Dig up zombie Ed McMann to host (is he dead?) and I would watch it. Wait, the national talent act already exists. This was just a change to it. Well, color me Snooki. Why isn't that on the air?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 19:49:36
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Back to North Korea.
They haven't been blowing hot air, they have been advancing a programme of weapons of mass destruction, namely nuclear warheads, intercontinental missiles, and nerve gas.
The problem is that conventional diplomatic or military approaches seem unworkable, or likely to lead to the most awful consequences.
I wonder if a completely off-the-wall approach might do the trick. For example, drop 10 billion $1 notes over their cities, each one tagged with a mild dose of LSD.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 19:56:44
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Building a blood in water scent
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Kilkrazy wrote:Back to North Korea.
They haven't been blowing hot air, they have been advancing a programme of weapons of mass destruction, namely nuclear warheads, intercontinental missiles, and nerve gas.
The problem is that conventional diplomatic or military approaches seem unworkable, or likely to lead to the most awful consequences.
I wonder if a completely off-the-wall approach might do the trick. For example, drop 10 billion $1 notes over their cities, each one tagged with a mild dose of LSD.
I have some experience with psychedelics. I'm not sure that "under an oppressive dictatorship" is a great setting to take a trip.
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We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 20:05:25
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Can you give the time stamp where Obama actually blames Bush? or blames anyone?
And really, you're using that for an example? During Obamas first press conference when the only thing americans were talking about was the great depression that had just started, somehow equates to all of the worlds problems?
You know that thing that happened when republicans spent the last 8 years deregulating wall street, so they can recklessly gamble with your savings, and trying to fight 2 wars without paying for them, collapsed the economy. That was clearly Bush's fault, yet oddly Obama never blamed bush, and stated he will solve this problem, and he did.
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