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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

From the sound of it they're probably going to the same place as CMON since there're talking about PVC with harder stuff (ABS) for weapons

if so they've got the skills and tech to get them to come out right

(assuming they can afford whatever computer tech time is needed to tidy up the scans right, there's always the chance they need to do it cheap and might feel the need to minimise this aspect if the factory has different priced option)

 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Melbourne, Australia

Just to be clear, no one involved with the game has said the models will be PVC.

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Incorporating Wet-Blending






So do we have more info about SD or the folks behind it?

With Monolith, I had to dig around, but found out the publisher worked for Bombix (?) a company that had some miniatures and retail experience.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

 .Mikes. wrote:
Just to be clear, no one involved with the game has said the models will be PVC.


not officially no, but from one of your previous posts


"Figs will be good plastic, but with two different plastics (like mythic battle), a harder for small parts."


so that basically means PVC for the main body, and something else for the small parts (probably ABS based on what CMON does),

it's certainly not normal HIPS (polystyrene) as if it was the second plastic wouldn't be needed

and hopefully it isn't something totally new as if it is nobody is going to have enough experience working with it yet to give great results (compare early CMON stuff for Zombicide with Massive Darkness etc for how steep the learning curve was for PVC at that was starting from a base of PVC having a history of being used for plastic minis)


Edit: I hope I don't come off as saying PVC would be a bad thing, it's not and could produce decent results if handled right and from the sound of it they're probably going to be working with a factory that has the capability to do so

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Longtime Dakkanaut





Melbourne, Australia

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


not officially no, but from one of your previous posts


"Figs will be good plastic, but with two different plastics (like mythic battle), a harder for small parts."



Fair point. But the brackets the poster put in there made me assume that was their own take rather than something official. It comes back down to there's still so much which hasn't been confirmed yet. It's safe to assume taht they've thought through everything that's been discussed here, and if their intention was to keep details back to generate discussion, well, they've done that.

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Regular Dakkanaut



United States

@ Mr Morden, I can't find the Ancient King miniatures you speak of. Devourers and Wolfen were also my Favorites.

The re caster company has stopped selling the old Confrontation. They do Not Wolfen and Devourer sculpts on their own now. .


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Im hoping for more new miniature release's from Resurrection as well.

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Dangerous Outrider




Baltimore, MD USA

Ernster wrote:
@ Mr Morden, I can't find the Ancient King miniatures you speak of. Devourers and Wolfen were also my Favorites.

The re caster company has stopped selling the old Confrontation. They do Not Wolfen and Devourer sculpts on their own now. .


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Im hoping for more new miniature release's from Resurrection as well.


Ancient King was what the pledge level was called during the Wrath of Kings Kickstarter.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut



United States

Doh, I pledged to that. Thanks Smokestack, I thought I missed a new or old miniature company producing Wolfen.
   
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Dangerous Outrider




Baltimore, MD USA

Yeah I love huge werewolf minis. A bought a couple of the Legendarian ones from Cadwallon which are very nice but a little bit larger than Confrontation and Wrath of Kings. I also have the Raging Heroes female werewolves which are also slightly larger but also very nice.
   
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[DCM]
Longtime Dakkanaut





Looks like they're selling original sculpts for figures that won't be moving over to the KSer and relaunch. You can buy them for 500 euros. Mostly the really old, uninteresting sculpts that need redoing but there might be some people that want to grab one.

https://www.stellarlicencing.com/index.php/en/shop
   
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh




The hell?????

Why would they do that? To make a quick buck?
Whats the point in that? Okey if you wont cast them. But what if they change their mind later on? It will be gone forever.

They selling of 100 of them. To never be seen again. Looking at them i can see atleast 20 i would buy.

This makes me sad as hell.
Why the hell would you buy up the rights to this only to destroy it like this.
   
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[DCM]
Longtime Dakkanaut





because they digitally scanned all the masters and can just 3d print new ones if casting in metal as plastic requires a 3d model to make the mold.

Also from the Facebook post these models they're not planning on ever recasting.
   
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh




Can you really 3d scan that accurate? I never seen that. If thats true then i guess thats ok.

Still cant say i understand it. Why to sell of the stuff when they havent even released anything themself yet.

What if the 3d scan files get corrupted or whatever.

I just dont see whats the harm in keeping the originals to just have for safe keeps.

Who knows what happens.

So the only point is to make a quick buck out of it?
   
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Experienced Maneater






 Monkeysloth wrote:
Looks like they're selling original sculpts for figures that won't be moving over to the KSer and relaunch. You can buy them for 500 euros. Mostly the really old, uninteresting sculpts that need redoing but there might be some people that want to grab one.

https://www.stellarlicencing.com/index.php/en/shop

So... you can pick the masters up an recast them, right?

   
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh




Doesnt include the rights but you could illegaly of course.

But not sure what the second half of the qoute means?

"The rights of prints are not included, with the delivery of this piece. But if you are an association, a creative studio, an editor, we invite you to contact us: contact@stellarlicencing.com » "
   
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?





Affton, MO. USA

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Can you really 3d scan that accurate? I never seen that. If thats true then i guess thats ok.

Still cant say i understand it. Why to sell of the stuff when they havent even released anything themself yet.

What if the 3d scan files get corrupted or whatever.

I just dont see whats the harm in keeping the originals to just have for safe keeps.

Who knows what happens.

So the only point is to make a quick buck out of it?


Maybe they didn’t get the rights to those sculpts. Could be like GW when they didn’t have the correct paperwork for lots of their art from years past. Also, who’s to say they haven’t already scanned, fixed and begun manufacturing the models. The KS could be a revenue stream to get the models out before the rules.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Sound like they're open to licencing the right to make casts to sell if anybody wants to pay the appropriate fees (presumably limited to the duration of their licence? Still not quite sure if the own all the IP or have just licenced it)

after all if they really don't want to use any of these minis again in the future and they're not in the new game that would extra cash for free

 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Houston, TX

Wow, they think pretty highly of some of those old clunkers. Pretty sure you can get someone to make you a decent new sculpt for that much. With the added benefit that your target audience wouldn't have already likely picked it up on clearance or from a recaster. I guess it's a chance to own a bit of history, but I remember thinking some of these were bad 15 years ago lol.

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Plastictrees





Calgary, Alberta, Canada

If I was forced to make a list of models that any new version of the game shouldn't try to retain, most of those would be on it.

Everything about this whole enterprise continues to be weird and off putting though.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Can you really 3d scan that accurate? I never seen that. If thats true then i guess thats ok.


What if the 3d scan files get corrupted or whatever.



Yes, you can scan that accurate. Any hand sculpted figure that's turned into a plastic mini is 3D scanned so the molds can be made, so it's pretty common in the plastic industry.

As to deal with the corruption same as any digital file. Have multiple copies.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Sound like they're open to licencing the right to make casts to sell if anybody wants to pay the appropriate fees (presumably limited to the duration of their licence? Still not quite sure if the own all the IP or have just licenced it)

after all if they really don't want to use any of these minis again in the future and they're not in the new game that would extra cash for free


The company selling the masters own Confrontation having bought it from Cyanide. The people making the game have licensed the rights.

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 plastictrees wrote:
If I was forced to make a list of models that any new version of the game shouldn't try to retain, most of those would be on it.


Ha! Exalted!

And...very true?

Aside from maybe the Griffin Executioner and the Goblin Standard Bearer...I agree!

 plastictrees wrote:

Everything about this whole enterprise continues to be weird and off putting though.


Also...becoming true...

   
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Plastictrees





Calgary, Alberta, Canada

 Alpharius wrote:
 plastictrees wrote:
If I was forced to make a list of models that any new version of the game shouldn't try to retain, most of those would be on it.


Ha! Exalted!

And...very true?

Aside from maybe the Griffin Executioner and the Goblin Standard Bearer...I agree!



Yeah there's a few conceptually cool minis in there, nothing that wouldn't improve with a new sculpt though IMO. I'm still a fan of the crossbow orcs for instance.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK






Dear adventurers, later this week, we’ll be giving you a chance to see the selection of models which will be in the basic Confrontation Classic box at the launch of the Kickstarter in April 2018. You’ve already seen the Wolfen and the Goblins. Here, as a bonus, are the Griffins and the Dirz! Come back and join us, Monday through Thursday, at 4 pm (GMT+1), to see the selection from another of the 16 factions from Confrontation Classic!

 
   
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Some....odd choice there.

I wonder how they picked what they did?

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






Oh man, I'm totally going to buy all this junk so that I can get one Dirz model that originally came in a box of five and four goblins.
   
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California the Southern

I'm with Alpharius. Odd choices indeed.

I'd have picked a lot more popular choices- Centurus clones, Cypher Lucan, Likai the Freed, the Prowler...

As I expected the Goblins are all the later releases.

I'd be tempted by a Behemoth box. Possibly a Dwarfs box too.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
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UK

Hmm will wait to see waht Devourers they do - although I did like the Dirz models none of those shown are a must buy

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These are probably the only models where the masters and or molds survived. The others are probably too far gone to resurrect.

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I've been watching this project pretty closely since it's been announced and I have no idea how they plan on pulling this off. They are taking existing metal models and converting them into plastic. This alone, for this line of models in particular, is a red flag. I don't think they will be producing models with the detail that the original metals had, and that detail is a large part of what makes them so good. The sharp embellishments on the armor are a hallmark of the Rackham line, and that is going to be near impossible to achieve without going to full HIPS/Games Workshop/Wyrd style hard plastic. Which is expensive and I can't see them doing. Also, reproducing plastic models from metals introduces complications - how do you achieve undercuts that metal molds allow for in plastic? Are these going to be preassembled and how much time and money goes into that undertaking if they are?

The other thing to consider is cost. Sans Detour have stated that they are going to have a single pledge for all 176 minis, not split them into smaller boxes or offer single parts. Even at $300 USD this puts the cost per mini at less than $2. I don't believe they will be able to do this, so either the cost will have to skyrocket or quality will plummet. An important thing to note about this project is how big Rackham figures are and how many of them are larger than a standard human. Their Dwarves have significantly more area they take up compared to a human, and they have 2 factions of large Wolfen.

There's also the fact that Sans Detour is using old studio images of the metal models to promote the project. They have not shown a single new miniature they will be producing, only showing metal minis. They have even used art instead when showing Sasia Samaris, a Dirz character they will be including, on their Facebook page stating that this will be included in the Kickstarter. I know the project hasn't launched, but they haven't begun to show anything they've done themselves in the promotion of the project. Their correspondence has also been filled with misspellings and grammatical errors when communicating in English, which doesn't bode well for any rules releases in the future.

I am a huge fan of Confrontation, I continue to play with a small group at my local shop, and really would like to see the game come back in a big way. I don't see Sans Detour being the company to do it, though. It looks like they are sacrificing the quality of the models and offering a sub-par product in order to gain funding for their newer version down the line.


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 Theophony wrote:
These are probably the only models where the masters and or molds survived. The others are probably too far gone to resurrect.


They are selling some of the original masters right now, none of which are included in these lists. I also know where at least of of the molds is for a model they will include in the KS. It's not in France.

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Melbourne, Australia

Interview, brush up yer French:




Confrontation takes up the first 11 minutes.

Takeaway:

The minis won't be metal (5'24). Or resin (5'40) "because it's brittle". So soft plastic for the minis (6'22) and hard for weapons (6'24).
The KS will come with game equipment, dice, meters, game board set (7'39) "all you need to play".
He says the minis will be mounted, but I didn't catch any explanation on that, maybe I heard wrong.
The rules for Resurrection will be released during the delivery of the KS (8'41).
Alternate Activation will remains (10'53), as will the rules for m and Faith (11'07)
All models released during the KS will have profiles in Resurrection.

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