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Thank you for that - much appreciated!

This bit here:

 .Mikes. wrote:
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He says the minis will be mounted, but I didn't catch any explanation on that, maybe I heard wrong.

Huh.

Probably means that the bases will be molded on, already attached.

Not a fan of that, but I guess it isn't the worst thing though.

NP.

That's how I'm reading it now I've had time to think about it. It seems odd, but then again many of the decisions for the KS seem odd. I'm choosing to believe that much of this is open to change as I'm positive person by nature, and we've seen KSs change mid-campaign due to backer feedback, so who knows.

I do feel that an option ot buy individual faction boxes would go a long way to making this KS a success, and have contacted SD to convey that, and ended up ina short conversation change with them which left me assured that the guys at SD are fans and want to see it succeed. I'm hoping that means they're recpetive to feedback and have the ability to adapt if needs be.

there are so many of those that are onesy twosy's that I want, I have pretty much all the rest :(

The question is, do one really dare to back this in kickstarter? I dont think i do.

There is just no way confrontation minis translate well into some cheap plastic.

I call upon you, restic knights, to shield me in these dark times.

I really like restic....and love finecast...but there is likely something really really wrong with me, I love the PPP of these models too :(

I never played confrontation but the models were always fantastic. I will probably pick some up just to pai-... let's be real, I'm not going to paint them. Just to own them I guess.

 streamdragon wrote:
I never played confrontation but the models were always fantastic. I will probably pick some up just to pai-... let's be real, I'm not going to paint them. Just to own them I guess.

excellent honesty there sir I approve but yeah I have a lot still in various stages of painting, but the game itself is awesome!

 Alpharius wrote:
Thank you for that - much appreciated!

This bit here:

 .Mikes. wrote:
I
He says the minis will be mounted, but I didn't catch any explanation on that, maybe I heard wrong.

Huh.

Probably means that the bases will be molded on, already attached.

Not a fan of that, but I guess it isn't the worst thing though.

I *painfully* listened to the first 11 minutes... I didn't get where they talk about minis being mounted on anything. Can you be specific as to where they say that? It's really hard to follow them because they use so many english terms pronounced in parisian... it's maddening.

I thought it was around the 8 minute mark, but listening back I can't hear it. I heard him say the figures would be mounted, but like I said, maybe I heard that wrong, sorry.

So much negativity already . I think I’ll pass. I’d want the wolfen just to go into my kings of war/wrath of kings army, but not buying almost 200 figs go get the few I want.

I’m worried the big hammer of badness may drop when they announce who is casting the figs. Because it would have to be a larger company with the capacity, and I can only think of one....with two names.

I am still hopeful; for this. As others have said, I don't hate restic. Especially for the larger models. I liked the PPP confrontation minis and Have a huge collection of Wolfen, Griffin,, Lions and Dirz (thanks miniature market). I also have quite a few metal confrontation.

I would be ok with getting a giant box with some minis that I may not need as I can also find a use for a mini in an RPG or conversion. But I would prefer being able to choose. I don't like any of those goblins... And the Wolfen they have shown are not ones I was hoping for... but still excited.

I am holding off on a full Daughters of Khaine army until I see if this kickstarter is for me.

 Smokestack wrote:
I am still hopeful; for this. As others have said, I don't hate restic. Especially for the larger models. I liked the PPP confrontation minis and Have a huge collection of Wolfen, Griffin,, Lions and Dirz (thanks miniature market). I also have quite a few metal confrontation.

I would be ok with getting a giant box with some minis that I may not need as I can also find a use for a mini in an RPG or conversion. But I would prefer being able to choose. I don't like any of those goblins... And the Wolfen they have shown are not ones I was hoping for... but still excited.

I am holding off on a full Daughters of Khaine army until I see if this kickstarter is for me.

Cadwallon RPG for the good rpg conversions I just missed MM ditching everything, figured i had more time I actually prefer my PPP to my metals

 Theophony wrote:
I’m worried the big hammer of badness may drop when they announce who is casting the figs. Because it would have to be a larger company with the capacity, and I can only think of one....with two names.

For those of us who don't know (IE, me), who would this be and why would they be bad news?

Probably Prodos/Archon/etc.?

But, let's not speculate wildly - until we have to, of course!

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I’m worried the big hammer of badness may drop when they announce who is casting the figs. Because it would have to be a larger company with the capacity, and I can only think of one....with two names.

For those of us who don't know (IE, me), who would this be and why would they be bad news?

PRODOS I'm guessing

Edit... ninjas are everywhere....!

I'm a huge Confrontation fan since back in the days when you had to learn French to play and order all of your models from a dodgy European "distributor". I own a full Orc army and most of a Acheron force. I've been eager to see this return in the hopes of playing again with others and perhaps picking up some new armies (I always loved Drunes, Goblins, Dirz and had an interest in several others). but so far the selection of models that have been shown for each faction are really unexciting. They managed to not pick any of the really interesting Wolfen choices, and left out all of my favorite goblins and Dirz. They also somehow managed to pick some of the least interesting Griffin models.

So far I'm not seeing anything I would actually want. Which is too bad and pretty surprising. Even if most of the rest of what they show really appeals to me I don't think I'll want to buy an all in one box. And I feel like I should be the target audience for this game.

Remember that these are the starting figures. More will get unlocked.

Is that true? I hadn't seen that. But even if thats the case, these aren't super compelling sets. At least in my mind. It seems like it would have been smart to actually put several fan favorite models for each faction in the starting set.I know what qualifies as a favorite will vary from person to person, but right now what is being offered seems really uninspiring.

 jake wrote:
Is that true? I hadn't seen that. But even if thats the case, these aren't super compelling sets. At least in my mind. It seems like it would have been smart to actually put several fan favorite models for each faction in the starting set.I know what qualifies as a favorite will vary from person to person, but right now what is being offered seems really uninspiring.

The images say in the top right "Starting Selection" so I'm not sure what else that can mean.

After revealing these figur sets, it is a shame if they do not open up the possibility for individual packs. Like many other have said, some of the choices of figures are most uninspiring. I could see myself join for maybe one faction, but not for everyone since it appears like 90% are figures I dont really care that much about.

 jake wrote:
Is that true? I hadn't seen that. But even if thats the case, these aren't super compelling sets. At least in my mind. It seems like it would have been smart to actually put several fan favorite models for each faction in the starting set.I know what qualifies as a favorite will vary from person to person, but right now what is being offered seems really uninspiring.

They have said elsewhere that morning figures would unlocked at funding levels.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:


There is just no way confrontation minis translate well into some cheap plastic.

I call upon you, restic knights, to shield me in these dark times.

I mean, if the PVC isn't cast in one piece, they basically can do most of the confrontation sculpts. The detail is about on par w some of the better Others/Pantheon/Wrath of Kings figures is on par IMO.

I was a HUGE fan of confrontation back in the day simply lovely metals! But plastic, mounted bases and kickstarter are 3 big red flags. I'm really not looking for subpar versions of great models delivered god knows when. No thank you sir. That train moved away many years ago.

Thing is this KS is a stop-gap release.

It's going to have new plastic castings of scanned models from the original, so already there's some suspect as to the quality; going into a market that is increasingly demanding in terms of quality of product. Ontop of that all the models are, apparently, going to be re-released in a year with brand new sculpts for the new game.

So this big boxed set is sort of trying to cover finances for the next year or so. Yet it just doesn't seem to fit into things nicely. I'd have thought if they were serious about a full re-launch in a year then I'd have expected the KS to have worked toward that, rather than going sideways.
When you factor in that they are selling off hte masters to other sculpts in the original range (sculpts that are old and won't have a market when released and thus are of questionable value). Then it looks more to me like they are trying for a quick cash flow solution - covering themselves for a year and hoping to pull two projects out of funding for one KS project. And that is a huge risk for any company, esp on that is likely not a huge team.


It just seems to be a really odd choice.

 Overread wrote:
Thing is this KS is a stop-gap release.

It's going to have new plastic castings of scanned models from the original, so already there's some suspect as to the quality; going into a market that is increasingly demanding in terms of quality of product. Ontop of that all the models are, apparently, going to be re-released in a year with brand new sculpts for the new game.

I may be misunderstanding you, but are you saying that they're planning to do new sculpts for the models that are going to be in THIS kickstarter at a later point when they release their new game? My impression was that the versions presented in this kickstarter would be compatible with the new game, and then starting with the new game they'd be sculpting brand new stuff.

Well I would assume if the models in the KS are only sold in the KS and are going to be usable in the new game then they would have to have new sculpts in the new game. Otherwise KS customers would have access to units that non-KS customers wouldn't be able to get.

I'll be back in because - like an idiot - I sold off most of my Confrontation stuff after the Great Confragnarok Debacle.

And yes, I do regret it!

 Overread wrote:
Well I would assume if the models in the KS are only sold in the KS and are going to be usable in the new game then they would have to have new sculpts in the new game. Otherwise KS customers would have access to units that non-KS customers wouldn't be able to get.

I suppose that makes sense... but then why not just keep those models in production for the new game? Why go to the effort of producing a second set of models for the same profiles? They'll have already sold these models to the people who are likely their target audience. many of those people either won't be interested in buying new versions of the same models or will feel put out for investing in the Kickstarter and then realizing that they like the new models better. Also, ebay will almost surely be flooded with incomplete sets from backers who only wanted some of the models, so it will likely be easir to pick up the Kickstarter Wolfen for cheap than paying full price for whatever new models they end up releasing that have the same profile.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'll be back in because - like an idiot - I sold off most of my Confrontation stuff after the Great Confragnarok Debacle.

And yes, I do regret it!

Wish I had known you then I love the plastics, am having to make due with my metals as I hunt down plastics to fill out my ranks

I was wondering why I suddenly felt a burning need to check out Dakka this afternoon.

This is exciting, but I am a little leery, for all the reasons folks are mentioning. Only a little though. Rackham did some really excellent model design in terms of casting, generally avoiding sins like mold lines over high detail areas, successfully placing undercuts at separation points, etc. I suspect that with some care and 3d scanning magic PVC molds could capture the majority of quality there.
The company running it worries me more. If it was CMON, sure, I'd be setting aside a cool grand to back. (Why the hell didn't CMON do a KS for their line while they held it I wonder.) With a less well known and possibly inexperienced group, well, I am probably not going to back the first day.

I am pretty certain I will get a set, however. I might own 80-90% of the models, but I love the aesthetics and use them for conversions anyway. If they don't break up the factions and insist on one giant order, I might actually get 2-3 extra sets to break up for resale. It feels a little perverse, since I don't approve of making people buy all of them at once, but hell, I will provide the service in exchange for a good sized profit if they won't. Well, to be honest, my wife will provide the service while I sit in the corner with my daughters and coo over cool things