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Honestly, SD is in it for the quick buck. There's too much that is too similar to such cases in the past.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/996665814/confrontation-classic-the-legendary-skirmish-game/posts/2194837

New update with cards for the "email before the campaign" bonus minis.

HaleysRedComet wrote:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/996665814/confrontation-classic-the-legendary-skirmish-game/posts/2194837

New update with cards for the "email before the campaign" bonus minis.

All those years and I immediately remember why I hated this meaningless icons on these cards back then. But I think instead of having easy to recognize icons one had to invent these very „creative“ icons. And with the new cards one gets even more icons! Who needs text...

I couldn't tell you what any of the icons even look like on a Confrontaton card, but I still recall from top to bottom it went: Movement, Initiative, Attack-Strength, Defence-Resilience, Aim, Courage (or Fear), Discipline.

The icons are not new, they are a design version from C4.

Interesting that they do not really proofread the text or the et in the copyright section would have not gone unnoticed. Also why is it only on one card and not the others. Then why is it only for Stellar and not SD.

And someone can´t really use a camera, that weapon in front is fuzzy. The whole thing looks quickly tinkered.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Then why is it only for Stellar and not SD.

Because that confirms only Stellar holds the rights, and not SD. Meaning only Christophe Ammaratti is the one having the keys to them - meaning that if something bad happens between him and Piotr, that would be the end of Confrontation's future under SD's direction.

That's not a hazard at all, IMHO.

I really don't want to be overly negative, but I feel the cards looks like some kind of fan-art made rather then official products. The miniatures looks too copy pasted in on the background.

Cause it is a quick tinker-job.

I think it's fair at this point to be a little negative. It's fairly obvious that the "team" at Sans Detour did not plan to have to release cards and did them shortly before they were requested. Multiple abilities are missing from them, and the design of them indeed looks unprofessional and fan made. Also - the rules for the new Gargoyles are very interesting. For a 26 point mini, you can get a fierce and possessed fast flyer. Yes, it has ephemeral, but in a more competitive environment I would expect to see them in every Acheron list. Either way, the decisions being made by Sans Detour don't seem all that well thought out and I do think they need to be called on it when it happens.

well I wont mince my words. The new cards look like dog-egg! Especially when presented next to the old ones. \Why not just use the classic layout with the classic stats and classic special rules layout like... you know... Classic Confrontation?

 Davidian wrote:
well I wont mince my words. The new cards look like dog-egg! Especially when presented next to the old ones. \Why not just use the classic layout with the classic stats and classic special rules layout like... you know... Classic Confrontation?

Their reason for the card redesign is to remove the Rackham logo and branding and add their own, which makes sense. Doing much else for the classic cards (which is for a game they aren't changing, hasn't been updated in 10 years, and will never be officially updated by Sans Detour) seems misguided and honestly, a waste of time. The only reason they seem to be doing this is to save money on printing cards - with this they can print a single run of cards to distribute worldwide and avoid translation as much as possible.

Interestingly they promised quite some translation, well good thing they never really said what exactly was going to be translated.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Interestingly they promised quite some translation, well good thing they never really said what exactly was going to be translated.

I think we already know one thing that will almost certainly be translated - backer's pledges into backer's angry tears of frustration!

There's a tournament near Angoulème in France this saturday and it'll be livestreamed on the conf'fédé facebook page :
https://www.facebook.com/events/288983434975769/

Come say hello if you want to chat and vote for the best army. Maybe seeing us live will show you that the conf'fédé members are not that bad.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/996665814/confrontation-classic-the-legendary-skirmish-game/posts/2208770

Update - looks like cards are going to remain largely unchanged from the original Rackham design.

Legends of Signum KS is back up.

HaleysRedComet wrote:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/996665814/confrontation-classic-the-legendary-skirmish-game/posts/2208770

Update - looks like cards are going to remain largely unchanged from the original Rackham design.

Baragash wrote:Legends of Signum KS is back up.

Yes, indeed.


Looks like they have won the challenge laid down by S-D too.

Is it materially different than what was offered before? i.e. did they remove anything in response to the takedown?

As far as I can tell it’s identical. The takedown managed to lose them a significant number of backers and funds though due to people becoming spooked which I suspect was the main intention of hem initiating the takedown.

Glad to see Legends back up on KS! Cadwallon is a great company, I have had nothing but great experiences with them.

So the first update of actual miniatures (the Resin Collector stuff).
Also not sure if the first two pics are production samples or the originals?

Forgot all about this one.

Glad to see that something is happening here, as that was a bit in doubt, back during the campaign.

Also, in the comments of the update, Joss (project manager) confirmed that no plastic production will be shown before the close of the pledge manager (October 15).

"Still I can already say for sure that we won't be able to show plastic samples before october 15th."

Ah, there's the Red Flag we were all expecting/looking for.

Whew!

Honestly just showing resin is a major step for this campaign considering how they showed nothing much during the whole campaign. The lack of any plastic before the pledge manager closes is a worry though - again sends up that red flag that their plastic casting might not be up to standard.

Just heard of this. Is the original game any good? When will they release it online?

 parakuribo wrote:
Just heard of this. Is the original game any good? When will they release it online?

The original game is great. I still play it to this day and we have what is probably the largest group in the United States playing it regularly in the DC metro area. Rules are available online, and there is a link on the KS campaign page to the rulebook.

As it looks the resin stuff is still in the factory and not at SD. So verything is possible.

I'm sorry but...what?

Received this on 6th of September, might be relevant to this -

Translated from French -

"Price Smashed on the entire stock! from 0.50 to 15 € on a majority of games.

We acquired some of the assets of the websites Ludikbazar and Ludibay.net, including the stock that has more than 70,000 products on 100 pallets !!!!

Given the importance and diversity of the stock, so far only one sales address:

Teaches STPI 150 rue du 8 Mai 1945, 69100 VILLEURBANNE on 7 and 8 September 2018 and 14 and 15 September from 10am to 20h (other dates to come)

Sales will take place in successive waves depending on the open pallets. First come, first served! On the treasures of LUDIK

The payments will be made directly by credit card via Paypal, Paypal or Cash. Checks are only accepted for associations or professionals.

We will not respond to any details about the stock, or the company Ludikbay SAS of which we are TOTALLY INDEPENDENT.

You are an association, a club, a professional with a purchasing capacity superior to 100 Games, we invite you by return email to contact us for any purchase of big or half big."

That's from WayofGamers.fr. No idea how they are linked in all this, but apparently they are TOTALLY INDEPENDANT of the old Ludikbazaar, and thus Sans Detour as well. However, if they are actually linked, this looks like a money raising venture to gain some extra capital. If not, then it's just a company which snagged Ludik's old stock and is liquidating it.

How in the hell Ludik Bazaar got stuck with 70,000 stock items I will never know. That's some really bad inventory management right there.