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 Rismonite wrote:
Tyranids and Orkz mostly just want to murder things and fight.

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Lol I wonder how this is different from nearly any imperial faction.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:
Tyranids and Orkz mostly just want to murder things and fight.

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Lol I wonder how this is different from nearly any imperial faction.

There is far less back-stabbing before the fighting breaks out than in nearly any Imperial faction.

 techsoldaten wrote:
My vote is for Chaos Space Marines, they are a lot of fun right now and it's possible to build competitive lists. They also harmonize with your IG army, which you can run as a Renegades and Heretics auxiliary.

Here's some advice on how to start with them.

1) It takes a lot of books to run a good CSM list. You need a copy of the Codex, Traitor's Hate, and Traitor Legions.

2) With rumors of 8th edition swirling, my advice is to buy these books on the cheap via eBay. No sense in buying books that will only be useful for a year.

3) With Traitor Legions, you have the option of getting special rules based on Legion. Decide which legion you want to run before buying models. Some units do better in some armies.

4) The Legions commonly recognized as the best right now are Death Guard, World Eaters and Black Legion. You don't need to go with one of these, but read the rules for your Legion before you start. I know many unhappy Word Bearers players right now.

5) Then buy models. The Start Collecting box may or may not be useful, depending on what kind of army you want to field.

with Traitor Legions I'd say Traitor's hate is pretty much unimportant. only useful if you want the black crusade detachment (which is only useful if you're running black legion and wanna use the generic CSM formations instead of the BL specific ones) or despirately want the rules for renegade knights.

BrianDavion wrote:

with Traitor Legions I'd say Traitor's hate is pretty much unimportant. only useful if you want the black crusade detachment (which is only useful if you're running black legion and wanna use the generic CSM formations instead of the BL specific ones) or despirately want the rules for renegade knights.

FWIW, rules for Renegade Knights also come with the Imperial Knights: Renegade boxset, which is probably the best way to go if you want to get into Knights (assuming they're still selling it)

Umm.

This is WH40k.

Everyone is evil.

CSM are a good pick. They're significantly stronger now with Traitor Legions and there are a variety of ways to build effective armies. Quite forgiving too, given they're astartes. Ally well with daemons for variety

I'd suggest avoiding tyranids for the time being. Great models and fluff but effective builds tend not to be very fluffy (in my opinion) and they still lack good answers to things like knights and wraithknights.

Orks are probably a better option if you want a xenos horde because they can still be powerful and representative of the fluff on the table. Good models for the most part but I think you have to know what kind of list you want to create before you start buying models, because a varied mish-mash of units probably won't be very effective. Either take a foot horde with no vehicles or have everything mechanised (bikes work in both cases). Like tyranids, not an easy faction to play.

Necrons are good. Similar strengths to CSM, an easier option than nids or orks, great model range. A good pick if you want marine equivalent but don't want to add yet another space marine army to your gaming group

Dark Eldar have incredible models but don't have a strong codex. Probably the hardest of the major factions to play, although I don't know much about the supplement, which is supposedly quite decent. In any case, they're definitely 40k on hard mode

Daemons are good. Very good actually.

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Ultimately go with your heart, but know your chosen faction before you start spending time and money on them

I take offense to so many people claiming Necrons to be an antagonist race.

Maybe they were villains on par with Chaos/Orks/Nids back before the Ward codex, but now they're no more evil than any other faction in the game and almost always serve as the lesser of two evils when given the chance.

Hell, they've been known to give enemy worlds the opportunity to surrender, let's see your Imperium or Eldar do that.

The only thing that makes them an "evil" race is the fact that they're hostile towards to Imperium, that's not exactly much of a feat these days.

OT: Chaos, reasonably strong, super evil and has a very wide range of models.

What sort of an army do you want? Small and elite, or horde? Shooty or assault? Vehicles or troops?

What models appeal to you?

Never knew that man was evil! Learn something new every day.
I think its gonna be a toss up between Orkz and CSM.
Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of each please ?
Thanks again for the help everyone!

I am no expert on either, but there are number of notable differences. The biggest difference certainly comes down to "quality per troop," as it were. CSMs are Marines, and their points costs and durability compared to other infantry are higher as a result. This will tend to result in smaller, more elite armies. They have more of the larger models in an army like Defilers, Demon Princes, Land Raiders, Helldrakes, etc.

Orks are much different. They are the best horde army, with the possible exception of Nids. Larger games will generally require many more bodies. Even if you roll out your units of Boyz in Trukks, they'll still be dirt cheap. Where CSMs a large variety of big stuff, Orks have tons of specialized forms of infantry-sized troops. Lootas, Burnas, Tankbustas, bikers, Stormboyz, MANZ, provide a big variety among 25-40mm bases. And then they'll sometimes have one or two HUGE things, like Morka/Gorkanauts and Stompas.

 Pouncey wrote:
Umm.

This is WH40k.

Everyone is evil.

I wish I could exault this more than once.

Crispy78 wrote:
What sort of an army do you want? Small and elite, or horde? Shooty or assault? Vehicles or troops?

What models appeal to you?

Mainly a mixed horde and both shooty and Close Combat, Thanks Sensi!

 KommissarKiln wrote:
I am no expert on either, but there are number of notable differences. The biggest difference certainly comes down to "quality per troop," as it were. CSMs are Marines, and their points costs and durability compared to other infantry are higher as a result. This will tend to result in smaller, more elite armies. They have more of the larger models in an army like Defilers, Demon Princes, Land Raiders, Helldrakes, etc.

Orks are much different. They are the best horde army, with the possible exception of Nids. Larger games will generally require many more bodies. Even if you roll out your units of Boyz in Trukks, they'll still be dirt cheap. Where CSMs a large variety of big stuff, Orks have tons of specialized forms of infantry-sized troops. Lootas, Burnas, Tankbustas, bikers, Stormboyz, MANZ, provide a big variety among 25-40mm bases. And then they'll sometimes have one or two HUGE things, like Morka/Gorkanauts and Stompas.

I was looking around on the GW site and i think im going to take the plunge and start Orkz!
There is so much that you can play around with and the fact that they can loot is OP :d
Thanks again for the help brother!

I wouldn't call Nids evil; they're just hungry and an antagonist. It's like calling beetles or ants evil.
Tau are commies, so as an American, I'm supposed to see them as evil.
Daemons are probably the most evil that you can get. And my army of choice!

It may sounds heretical and ultra noob, but I suggest to start with the army that has less codecies and supplements that are also not terribly outdated so you can be a little bit competitive. So, in that case, I would not recommend Chaos Space Marines as a first army, because in order to play them properly you need, um what,... at least 3 books? I'd rather go for Necrons or Dark Eldar here, if you decide to go "good" Tau and Space Marines.

Rheumatoid wrote:

 KommissarKiln wrote:
I am no expert on either, but there are number of notable differences. The biggest difference certainly comes down to "quality per troop," as it were. CSMs are Marines, and their points costs and durability compared to other infantry are higher as a result. This will tend to result in smaller, more elite armies. They have more of the larger models in an army like Defilers, Demon Princes, Land Raiders, Helldrakes, etc.

Orks are much different. They are the best horde army, with the possible exception of Nids. Larger games will generally require many more bodies. Even if you roll out your units of Boyz in Trukks, they'll still be dirt cheap. Where CSMs a large variety of big stuff, Orks have tons of specialized forms of infantry-sized troops. Lootas, Burnas, Tankbustas, bikers, Stormboyz, MANZ, provide a big variety among 25-40mm bases. And then they'll sometimes have one or two HUGE things, like Morka/Gorkanauts and Stompas.

I was looking around on the GW site and i think im going to take the plunge and start Orkz!
There is so much that you can play around with and the fact that they can loot is OP :d
Thanks again for the help brother!

Good choice. Orks are a very fun army to play with and play against. Orks help you make new friends.

Also, if you are into converting, Orks are probably the best army for that (for vehicles anyway). Almost all of my buddies' Ork vehicles, from Trukks to Stompas are scratch builds, and quite frankly they look better than the GW models.

Good luck!

Sisters of Battle if you ask me.
Nothing is more evil than a female army.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Sisters of Battle if you ask me.
Nothing is more evil than a female army.

Dark eldars are 50/50 men and women plus they enjoy every possible tool of cruelty

Sooo much choice!!