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Grav Choppa: s*, range mellee, graviton, concussive
Grav Bigchoppa: s*, range mellee, graviton, grav amps, concussive, two-handed

Inspired by https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/717931.page#9202180 - how much grav is too much?

How would a melee grav work?
Because I've always imagine grav as a projecting a high gravity region, and you can't exactly bash someone with something like that.

The choppa gets gravitated towards the enemy depending on their weight
You hit them with it and they implode, it's simple

I think only big meks could have weapons such those ones.

I think this is trying to extend Gravitation Weapons into the an area of the game that it doesn't belong. Gravitation is strong as hell in it's current form (especially if you look at Grav-Cannons for Space Marines). It doesn't need a melee element.

 IllumiNini wrote:
I think this is trying to extend Gravitation Weapons into the an area of the game that it doesn't belong. Gravitation is strong as hell in it's current form (especially if you look at Grav-Cannons for Space Marines). It doesn't need a melee element.

This is a try to give grav weapons to everyone, not only the usual overpowered 1-2 armies. IMHO they should be completely banned, as much as formations that allow free transports.

 Blackie wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:
I think this is trying to extend Gravitation Weapons into the an area of the game that it doesn't belong. Gravitation is strong as hell in it's current form (especially if you look at Grav-Cannons for Space Marines). It doesn't need a melee element.

This is a try to give grav weapons to everyone, not only the usual overpowered 1-2 armies.

The make Grav-Cannon and Grav-gun equivalents to other armies. Yes, it's can be a little more boring since it may seem a little bit like a Copy-Paste, but at least to me, having a Copy-Paste makes more sense than trying to introduce Grav into melee.

 Blackie wrote:
IMHO they should be completely banned, as much as formations that allow free transports.

The Gravitation Special Rule and associated weapons should not be banned, but I think that they definitely need a re-work (including a re-work of the Special Rule) in order to not be so universally useful.

It's not the Graviton rule that's overpowered or broken-it's the high RoF and AP 2.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
How would a melee grav work?
Because I've always imagine grav as a projecting a high gravity region, and you can't exactly bash someone with something like that.

We actually have a fairly good explanation as to how Grav weapons work.

They project "tether" between the weapon and target. The "tether" then pulses violently, eventually collapsing the target in on itself.

That's actually the justification for it being Salvo with such a high ROF. The ROF represents the number of pulses.


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 JNAProductions wrote:
It's not the Graviton rule that's overpowered or broken-it's the high RoF and AP 2.

And until we get a complete rework of every single other Heavy and Special Weapon in the Marine arsenal, Grav is basically a necessity.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
How would a melee grav work?
Because I've always imagine grav as a projecting a high gravity region, and you can't exactly bash someone with something like that.

We actually have a fairly good explanation as to how Grav weapons work.

They project "tether" between the weapon and target. The "tether" then pulses violently, eventually collapsing the target in on itself.

That's actually the justification for it being Salvo with such a high ROF. The ROF represents the number of pulses.

Then I definitely don't see how you can bash someone with something like that.
Unless the rules change to allow firing weapons of some kind or another in melee.

Orks. I believe they can do it.

I don't think a grav CCW would make sense, according to the fluff being described. However, for a CC-ish flair, a grav grenade might be pretty cool.

 kirotheavenger wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
How would a melee grav work?
Because I've always imagine grav as a projecting a high gravity region, and you can't exactly bash someone with something like that.

We actually have a fairly good explanation as to how Grav weapons work.

They project "tether" between the weapon and target. The "tether" then pulses violently, eventually collapsing the target in on itself.

That's actually the justification for it being Salvo with such a high ROF. The ROF represents the number of pulses.

Then I definitely don't see how you can bash someone with something like that.
Unless the rules change to allow firing weapons of some kind or another in melee.

I can see something with the "Graviton" rule being able to function as melee, but not just a straight Grav weapon if that makes sense.

I'll give it a think. I don't see it as a Choppa though. I see it as a Hamma.

You know, for a melee weapon, I'd actually see Grav kinda working liking Poison (*), where * is their armor save.

Including rerolls if you were already wounding on 3s or better. And let's be honest-if the Grav-ChoppaHammer was AP4 (which it might be-there's no listed AP) no one mind too much.

Grav in melee? Surely that would just be a stick with a device on the end that causes a gravtion tether. Doesn't really sound like a melee weapon, even for Orks.

A good weapon that we need to see is a Rokkit powered 'Uge Hammer, although that wouldn't function like a grav weapon.

G.A

Mek Weapon List:

Grabbity Hamma: Melee, Concussive, Grabbity, Unwieldy, Two-Handed.

Strength +2 AP 3

Grabbity: Somehow or some way this hammer, when smashed into the ground, generates a localized gravity...oddity. Those caught within the oddity find themselves crushed to a pulp, unless they manage to avoid getting sucked into the weirdness or are unencumbered by bulky armor.

A model with a Grabbity Hamma can elect to forego all of its normal attacks, instead smashing the hammer into the ground. Center the small blast template around the model with the hammer and resolve the Wounds using the "Graviton" special rule(see Warhammer 40,000: The Rules for details).

I'm sure there's a better name for it, but...

 kirotheavenger wrote:
How would a melee grav work?
Because I've always imagine grav as a projecting a high gravity region, and you can't exactly bash someone with something like that.

 General Annoyance wrote:
Grav in melee? Surely that would just be a stick with a device on the end that causes a gravtion tether. Doesn't really sound like a melee weapon, even for Orks.

orks have tankhammers - rokkits taped onto long stikks. s8 ap3 two-handed mellee weapons. There's nothing preventing them from replacing a rokkit with grav-something. And orks allready have similar technologies - gravitation beamers.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mek Weapon List:

Grabbity Hamma: Melee, Concussive, Grabbity, Unwieldy, Two-Handed.

Strength +2 AP 3

Grabbity: Somehow or some way this hammer, when smashed into the ground, generates a localized gravity...oddity. Those caught within the oddity find themselves crushed to a pulp, unless they manage to avoid getting sucked into the weirdness or are unencumbered by bulky armor.

A model with a Grabbity Hamma can elect to forego all of its normal attacks, instead smashing the hammer into the ground. Center the small blast template around the model with the hammer and resolve the Wounds using the "Graviton" special rule(see Warhammer 40,000: The Rules for details).

I'm sure there's a better name for it, but...

I actually really like this as an idea for a relic. It is simply Orky in nature and I love that.

 koooaei wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
How would a melee grav work?
Because I've always imagine grav as a projecting a high gravity region, and you can't exactly bash someone with something like that.

 General Annoyance wrote:
Grav in melee? Surely that would just be a stick with a device on the end that causes a gravtion tether. Doesn't really sound like a melee weapon, even for Orks.

orks have tankhammers - rokkits taped onto long stikks. s8 ap3 two-handed mellee weapons. There's nothing preventing them from replacing a rokkit with grav-something. And orks allready have similar technologies - gravitation beamers.

Putting a bomb on the end of a stick is not the same thing as putting a high gravity field on the end of a stick

 CrownAxe wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
How would a melee grav work?
Because I've always imagine grav as a projecting a high gravity region, and you can't exactly bash someone with something like that.

 General Annoyance wrote:
Grav in melee? Surely that would just be a stick with a device on the end that causes a gravtion tether. Doesn't really sound like a melee weapon, even for Orks.

orks have tankhammers - rokkits taped onto long stikks. s8 ap3 two-handed mellee weapons. There's nothing preventing them from replacing a rokkit with grav-something. And orks allready have similar technologies - gravitation beamers.

Putting a bomb on the end of a stick is not the same thing as putting a high gravity field on the end of a stick

Precisely; even if it was made, it probably wouldn't do much since Grav weapons create a continuous field at the target location to have an effect.

You just hit da umie more continuously than usual

 koooaei wrote:
You just hit da umie more continuously than usual

I'll give you an Exalt for that one

There's the potential for a blow to cause a localised gravity field, much like Kan said, but I'm pretty sure that would adversely affect whatever Ork swung the hammer too.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
You just hit da umie more continuously than usual

There's the potential for a blow to cause a localised gravity field, much like Kan said, but I'm pretty sure that would adversely affect whatever Ork swung the hammer too.

That's even better. Something like to-wound rolls of 1 count as a wound to the bearer of a weapon. Big Gravchoppa would be more reliable and safe. Cause of longer stikk.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
You just hit da umie more continuously than usual

I'll give you an Exalt for that one

There's the potential for a blow to cause a localised gravity field, much like Kan said, but I'm pretty sure that would adversely affect whatever Ork swung the hammer too.

Grav weapons wound easier based on heavier armor.
Most Orks in a unit that you would have a Mek in are 5 or 6 for their saves...so would be wounded on a 5 or a 6.

And Meks have Invulnerable Saves, they got this.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mek Weapon List:

Grabbity Hamma: Melee, Concussive, Grabbity, Unwieldy, Two-Handed.

Strength +2 AP 3

Grabbity: Somehow or some way this hammer, when smashed into the ground, generates a localized gravity...oddity. Those caught within the oddity find themselves crushed to a pulp, unless they manage to avoid getting sucked into the weirdness or are unencumbered by bulky armor.

A model with a Grabbity Hamma can elect to forego all of its normal attacks, instead smashing the hammer into the ground. Center the small blast template around the model with the hammer and resolve the Wounds using the "Graviton" special rule(see Warhammer 40,000: The Rules for details).

I'm sure there's a better name for it, but...

I actually really like this as an idea for a relic. It is simply Orky in nature and I love that.

See, I thought about it first as a Relic but then just figured...

At some point, somewhere, an Ork Mek is going to strap a Grav Gun to the end of a stick and whack the ground. Another Mek is going to see him do that and copy him, and before you know it we'll have planets where Orks are flying around from hammers smashing into the ground and inverting gravity like a bunch of fratboys playing Griffball on Halo.

The Relic version of the Grabbity Hamma though. That uses an Apocalyptic Blast.