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Hey everybody, im new to Dakkadakka and i really have one buring question. How the heck do i deal with those godforsaken termies in a stormraven? Heres my army list.
- 2x Leman Russ (i can proxy to whatever i want) i usually play one with pask for all of his awesomeness (this game i had plasma sponsons and lascannon hull for both with an executioner for pask and an exterminator for the regular guy)
-A bane wolf (melta secondary)
- a chimera (a melta and multilaser)
- 2x squads of veterans
- a squad of rough riders
- ratlings
- storm troopers (lots of meltas on these guys this gaame)
- 3x heavy weapons teams
- a manticore
-a techpriest with a single servitor
- a single seninal (lascannon)
- we run a special add on where i play as the valhallan ice warriors so i gain a 5+ FNP on any infantry for an extra 5 points per model
Keep in mind that my friend lets me proxy pretty much any weapon on my vehicles, sponsons, hull mounts, ect
My "friend" (honestly this stupid stormraven is driving me to hate him)
-a single land raider (the one with the melta flame templates off the sides i dont remember the name)
- a land speeder
- 2 devestator squads, both basically a spam of lascannons
- his stupid freaking stormraven
- his squad of terminators completely decked out with chainfists and the shields.
- and i let him proxy trying out different HQ's
- he plays whichever chapter gets the feel no pain on everything and it will not die on characters and vehicles.
(we play on a pool table with train lines and trains as cover BTW)

Ok, so what happend last game to drive me to come running for help from you guys is that i literally lost having only done a single hit point to his stormraven. Thats it, everything else in my army was decimated. So he shoved the termies in the stormraven, and the devastators in the land raider. he got turn one and had immediately gotten himself well within range of my entire army with his stormraven. The first turn he stunned my manticore and left it on 1 HP and thats about it. My turn i spammed EVERYTHING i had that had any chance of penning his stormraven at it and only did that one hit-point. the next turn he dropped his termies and scooted his land raider up to my veterans and unloaded the devastators which promptly "devastated" both my bane wolf and my chimera. His stormraven and land raider happily mowed down all of my infantry. He then charged my ruses with his termies and decimated them in a single attack with his chain fists. Do you guys have any idea what the heck i am supposed to do here? Thank you guys for any support in this matter it will really help!

(yes i did repost this because i intitially posted it in the introductions section because i didn't know how to properly start a thread, sorry!)

It's just a Stormraven. Not a big deal. At best, he'll be getting a turn 3 charge off, at worst, a turn five charge.
Also, 5+ FNP for 5 PPM on a T3 model is a ripoff. The upgrade should be 10-15 points per squad, not per model.

Also, you have bear cavalry. That is awesome.

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I read your OP. Your friend is "cheating". A flyer must start off the board, and come in from reserves. A unit inside a flyer may not charge the turn the flyer comes in on the board. So what he did is illegal in the extreme.
If his Land Raider moved, and his Devastators came out, they are snap firing. They should not be able to destroy two (!!) units the turn they disembark.

Ignore them. Both units are overcosted.

Can you post more details about what happened? Because it really does sound like your friend isn't playing correctly-if he's a newer player, he's likely not cheating on purpose. If he's an old hand, though...

Both me and my friend are new to warhammer 40k, he tends to attempt to "bend" the rules to his advantage every chance he gets, and tends to make up rules in his favor (No! I saw that in a video!, kindof things), me and the rest of my group of warhammer friends try to keep him in check, but he refuses to play unless we con form to his interpretation to the somwhat vague rules of warhammer. Such as him using an orbital strike and saying that he can hit my rear Armour by placing the blast template directly on the engine deck of my tank, even tho the firer (His HQ) is standing directly in front of my tank. So i should probably read over his codex more carefully, also do you guys know of any post about the clarification of rules? Thanks!


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Also, I ended up firing 10 meltas at the raven, plus an exterminator, 3 Las cannons, six hunter killer missles and a missle launcher firing flakk, yet I got one glancing hit.

A few things here from what you have said.

All flyers must start in reserve even if he wants to take it as hovering. The only exception is if he was to take a Skyshield landing pad.

No matter where a blast lands on a vehicle it uses the armour value of the direction of the firer unless it is barrage and then it is always side armour.

The quickest rules checker I use is my ipad glossary. 90% of everything I need i can find there quickly with a word search.

Klingon Warrior wrote:
Both me and my friend are new to warhammer 40k, he tends to attempt to "bend" the rules to his advantage every chance he gets, and tends to make up rules in his favor (No! I saw that in a video!, kindof things), me and the rest of my group of warhammer friends try to keep him in check, but he refuses to play unless we con form to his interpretation to the somwhat vague rules of warhammer. Such as him using an orbital strike and saying that he can hit my rear Armour by placing the blast template directly on the engine deck of my tank, even tho the firer (His HQ) is standing directly in front of my tank. So i should probably read over his codex more carefully, also do you guys know of any post about the clarification of rules? Thanks!


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Also, I ended up firing 10 meltas at the raven, plus an exterminator, 3 Las cannons, six hunter killer missles and a missle launcher firing flakk, yet I got one glancing hit.

To be frank; Don't play him. That kind of personality will turn a group toxic and at best you'll lose a friend. At worst you'll lose a lot of friends as the group fractures. I have several friends I won't play games with because I value the friendship. Play the people that will give you the experience you want. No game is better than a bad game.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

To be frank; Don't play him. That kind of personality will turn a group toxic and at best you'll lose a friend. At worst you'll lose a lot of friends as the group fractures. I have several friends I won't play games with because I value the friendship. Play the people that will give you the experience you want. No game is better than a bad game.

This, wholeheartedly.

You need to verify his list is legal, and as others said you need to ensure you understand all aspects of rules he's using. Since you're new, this is even more important. We all get rules wrong as we start.

In addition to Dev's needing to snap shot and the storm raven starting off board and so unable to come in without making a reserve roll (which start on turn 2)...

On his list, you said he has terminators with chainfists and shields. That's not a thing. It's either thunder hammers with storm shields, or power fists/chainfists with storm bolts(or special weapons).

Ensure you understand how assaulting from the storm raven works, and ensure he's going into hover mode before dropping them (once he's in hover, you can hit the SR just like any other ground vehicle, and it can do a jink if he wishes).

Also, how many marines does he have in his dev squads? Ensure he's not putting too many models into the land raider.

 Asmodai_00 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

To be frank; Don't play him. That kind of personality will turn a group toxic and at best you'll lose a friend. At worst you'll lose a lot of friends as the group fractures. I have several friends I won't play games with because I value the friendship. Play the people that will give you the experience you want. No game is better than a bad game.

This, wholeheartedly.

I had a friend that would get mad at ANYTHING that wasn't dice average. He would constantly yell and get mad, not necessarily at me, but at the dice. Either way, it was horrible for a while. At some point, I told him - "I'm not having fun. I'd rather not play then play like this". After a few more games and a little less screaming, he really worked on it. 2 years later, I still play with him and he barely raises his voice anymore. I never gave up on him (queue inspirational music) since he was a really good general and knew what he was talking about. But there were a few solid months that I really didn't enjoy myself while playing against him. I learned quite a bit tactically when I played against him and I'm a better player for it.

TLDR - Bad guy gone good. Took awhile. 5/7 - was worth.