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As a relatively rare player of a Millitarum Tempestus army, I am a huge fan of a fast and precise army of "normal" human beings. As of now, the Millitarum Tempestus codex is merely an expansion or an experiment to see if such an army could be viable. While Scions themselves are decent units with very nice models, the army as a whole suffers from a ridiculously small unit selection which severely limits its capacity to operate beyond the 750 pts mark. This codex is an attempt at making what a fully supported and updated Millitarum Tempestus army could look like. I designed it to alleviate the rather unremarkable performance of the basic Tempestus Scions, offer them more tools to be faster and more precise than before. I wanted them to be capable of adapting to various mission objectives and enemies by relying on speed, stealth and pinpoint firepower. Unlike Space Marines, this army isn't resilient and powerful in close combat despite having a unit capable of handling itself rather nicely in that domain. Unlike regular guard, Tempestus don't have heavy tanks and, especially, heavy artillery. Unlike my own version of the Sisters of Battle who excelled against horde armies and were geared for close combat and close range firefights, Scions remain more mobile and more fragile if just as skilled. All in all, it sits nicely as a rather unique Imperial army that has more in common with Harlequins or Craftworld Eldar than anything else. The gothic aspect of the Imperium is more absent from this army which operates and feels more like a pseudo special force than anything else. This aspect allows it to stand apart further from the Sisters of Battle with whom they share the niche of elite human soldiers. To further differentiate from other forces of the Imperium, I pushed the Scions further toward a Black Op. role. More than ever, speed and stealth are their weapon of choice. This makes them the most performant army to date in that specific domain with Raven Guard and Night Lord forces.
Introduction
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Play Testing Notes
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Special Rules
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Scion: The men and women of the Millitarum Tempestus were raised from early infancy to be the perfect soldiers: intelligent, skilled, brave and above all obedient to orders. All units composed entirely of Militarum Tempestus models with this Special Rule can reroll failed Leadership test for orders and can still attempt to regroup normally even when they are below 25%.
Officer: All armies rely on a chain of command and the tactical guidance of their officers to achieve victory over, sometimes, superior forces. Officers of the Millitarum Tempestus are excellent tactician and can provide great support to their troops. Any model with this special rule can issue a single order at the beginning of the movement phase to himself and his squad.
Voice of Command: Veteran officers are known for their quick thinking and their capacity to relay precise instructions to distant troops even in the harshest battlezones. In this fashion they almost appear o be in multiple places at the same time, always when the fight requires their knowledge and their experience. A model with this Special Rule can apply the Officer Special Rule to any squad with 18 inches of himself.
Precise Jump: Scions are experts in Grav-chute insertion. They are known for attacking from the sky with pinpoint accuracy despite all odds. A unit containing at least one model with this special rule scatters 1d6 less arriving via deep strike.
Summary Execution: Even the very best soldiers will fail at some point. They will be afraid or will make mistakes. Such a thing is unacceptable to the Imperium. The price of failure and weakness is too high to be tolerated. Someone will have to die to serve as a lesson to the rest. Should a unit lead by a Commissar fail a leadership test, the Commissar will execute a soldier to bolster the moral of his squad. Roll a d6 on a 2+, the controlling player chooses a member of the squad who failed the leadership test and remove it as a casualty. The test is then considered as an automatic success. On a 1, the opposing must decide the model to be removed. A commissar will never execute himself neither will he execute another commissar.
Aura of Discipline: Commissar Lords are incredible individual who are an inspiration to all who see them. All of them carry with them their own personal legends and act of insane heroism. The Stubborn special rule of the Commissar Lord and his leadership extend to all Scion units within 6 inches of the Commissar Lord and his unit. Furthermore, all unit fleeing that enter his Aura of Command automatically pass regroup tests.
Scion's Orders: Scions are incredibly discipline soldiers trained to apply a variety of tactics at their officers command and with their guidance. This allows them to surpass themselves and make their actions much more efficient than the total of their individual skills. Each model with the Officer Special Rule can choose one of the orders below to apply to himself and his squad at the beginning of the movement phase. The order, inorder to take effect, requires a successful leadership test from the targeted unit. All benefits are lost at the beginning of your next movement phase, unless the order is enacted again.
Suppressive Fire: The Scions are directed to suppress enemy advances against their position. The unit can fire overwatch with the penalty reduced by 1, thus firing at Ballistic Skill 2
Priority Target: The Scions are to concentrate their firepower and their shots on the vulnerable points of a large and dangerous target. The unit gains the Rending Special Rule on all its range weapons when targeting a vehicle, super heavy vehicle, gargantuan creature, or a monstrous creature.
Mark Your Target: The Scions are ordered to carefully aim with their main weapon before taking their shots to maximise damage at long range. The unit weapon profile for any Hot-Shot Lasguns, Hot-Shot SMGs and/or Hot-Shot Volleyguns changes for the following for all relevant weapons within the unit: Hot-Shot Lasgun: range: 30, S: X, AP: 3, Heavy 1, sniper, Hot-Shot SMG: range: 12, S: X, AP: 3, Heavy 2, sniper, Hot-Shot Volleygun: range: 36 S: 4, AP: 3. Heavy 4.
Intensify Fire: The Scions are directed to fire and reload as fast as possible with no concern for ammunition preservation to dislocate an enemy formation. The unit weapons are all considered twin-linked.
Rapid Advance: The Scions are told to move as fast as possible up the battlefield to gain some advance all the while using their weapons to keep the enemy under pressure. The unit gains the Fleet Special Rule and can still fire at normal Ballistic Skill after running.
Close Assault: The Scions are told to assault the enemy in close combat to take an objective from him. The unit gain the Crusader and Furious Charge Special Rule.
Warlord Traits
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1) Failure isn't an Option: The warlord isn't a leader who will accept defeat or failure. He is going to fight to the bitter end no matter what. The warlord gain the fearless Special Rule.
2) Drop Trooper Specialist: The warlord is a specialist when it comes to commanding airborne attacks. His drop troopers have great precision. All units in the same formation/detachment as the warlord Precise Jump Special Rule. If they already have it, they don't scatter at all when deep striking.
3) Inspired Tactician: The warlord is an incredible tactician. He seems to be capable of predicting every enemy move and directs his troops to counter them. The warlord can give an extra order per turn.
4) Dead Eye Shot: The warlord is a peerless marksman. He only needs one shot to kill. The warlord ranged attacks cause Instant Death on enemy Characters.
5) Marksman instructor: The warlord has trained his troops to be above the standards in marksmanship so they can take on more difficult targets with greater confidence. All infantry units within 6' of the warlord who haven't moved during their turn can add 6' to the range of all their weapons during the shooting phase.
6) Infiltrator: The warlord relys on infiltrating units behind the enemy line to disrupt them and prevent them from moving into action against him. The enemy army suffer a -1 modifier to all their reserve rolls and you may attempt to Steal the Initiative on a 5+.
Detachment
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Mandatory: 1 HQ, 1 Troop, 1 Fast Attack
Optional: 1 HQ, 3 Troops, 5 Fast Attack, 2 Elites, 3 Heavy Support
Benefits: Objectived Secure on Troop choices (does not extend to dedicated transports of troop units), Reroll Warlord Traits, Fast Deployment
Fast Deployment: You may make reserve rolls for units in this faction beginning at the start of turn 1.
Formation
Tempestus Dagger
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The forces of the Millitarum Tempestus are precise, fast moving and stealthy. Their training and equipment makes them ideally suited for covert operations and raids. Their silent approach followed by a swift attack makes them extremely dangerous forces to tackle and devastating for the enemy moral. There is little more unnerving for a commander than to know that enemy elite troops can attack at any time. The Tempestus Dagger is the most adaptable and common combat group of the Millitarum Tempestus. It combines various talent and expertise to tackle a wide variety of enemies by focusing on the Scions strengths.
Covert Operation Units: Scions are consummate infiltrators and saboteurs. Should the situation not call for an aerial assault, Scions can apply their remarkable stealth doctrine to infiltrate enemy lines en mass. All units in the formation can exchange their Deep Strike Special Rule for the Infiltration and Stealth should they not already have them.
Ground Assault Formation
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Scions are known for the speed and efficiency of their ground vehicles. Their armored advances are swift and discrete and can be immensely destructive. Squads with a lot of experience in ground assaults are fast to dismount their vehicles and unleash a blinding fusillade of Hot-Shot Lasbolts. Ground Assault Formations are used frequently to establish a beach head in the enemy territory for larger drops during massive assaults. In other circumstances, they serve as outriders for Astra Millitarium Armored Brigades.
Composition: 1 full Tempestus Scion Platoon all mounted in Taurox Prime, 1-2 Squadrons of Venator Primes.
Benefits: Calculated Strike, Surgical Deployment
Calculated Strike: The entire formation can be placed in reserve at the beginning of the game. If you elect to do so, roll a single dice for the entire formation and deploy them all at the same time should the roll be a success.All units within the formation gain the outflank USR. All units possessing one must either begin the game embarked on their transport, or be embarked on their transport when they arrive from reserves.
Surgical Deployment: On the round in which they disembark, all the Tempestus Scion units count their weapon as twin-linked and pinning.
Airborne Assault Formation
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The sister formation of the Ground Assault Formation, the Airborne Assault Formation is used to allow a strong advance via airborne units used when the enemy lines are crumbling to cut off their retreats or prevent them from regrouping. Valkyries allow for a devastating amount of firepower to be applied on a very mobile basis and the Scion Platoons they transport have developed a certain skill for millimetric precision when it comes to jumping from their transport into the fray. Airborne Assault Formations are also used as reinforcements capable of relieving a massive amount of pressure and rescue sections of the battlefield which have become cut off and isolated.
Composition: 1 full Tempestus Scion Platoon all mounted on Valkyrie Prime, 1-2 Victory Primes
Low Altitude Jump Specialists: Units disembarking via the Grav Chute Insertion special rule only scatter 1d6 when doing so
Mist and Anchor
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Should the Scions be ordered to hold a position or prevent a line from collapsing, they still rely on deception and stealth to triumph. Behind the protective barrier of an Umbra Mobile Shield Generator and the supporting fire of several well entrenched Clypeus Batteries, Scions prepare themselves for a counter attack. The enemy finds himself attacked and pinned down by previously unseen artillery fire while the mobie Shield Generator slow them down. Scions hiding behind it can take their time to make their best shots and break the enemy moral much faster. Only a particularly fast and powerful advance can disperse the Mist and Anchor
Composition: 1 Umbra Mobile Shield Generator, 1-3 Clypeus Mobile Battery, 1-2 Squad of Insidias Scions, 0-1 Squad of Ignis Scions
Benefits: Early Deployment, Unseen Fire
Early Deployment: All units in the formation are deployed using the Infiltration Special Rule instead of Deep Strike or normaly.
Unseen Fire: Should the Umbra Mobile Shield Generator be immobile during the movement phase, you can increase the range of his two shields by 6'. Furthermore, all pinning test suffered by the enemy are passed with a malus of 1 should the unit causing the pinning test is in cover or beneath the Stealth shield of the Generator.
Aerial Supremacy Squadron
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Scions are largely dependant on aerial supremacy to remain alive and operational. A high altitude drop is almost suicidal without strong air support to take out flakk and prepare a landing zone. Operation behind enemy lines are a one way ticket without aerial extraction team and lightning assaults against strong points are suicidal without bombardment. To achieve control of the skies, if only momentarily, a Millitarum Tempestus force will deploy a host of closely working aircraft with the job of cleaning the sky and providing good ground support to the units bellow. An Aerial Supremacy Squadron is composed of the very best aircrafts, two of which who attacks ground targets while two other hunt the skies. In short notice, they can clear the sky and a good section of the battlefield.
Composition: 2 Victory Prime, 2 Vendetta Prime, 0-2 Valkyrie Prime
Benefits: Air Domination, Calculated Strike
Air Domination: all fliers in the formation gain the Preferred Enemy (flier) and Vector Dancer Special Rules.
Hoplite Formation
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In a few occasion, the Scions need to hold or take a point at all cost a point. Forcing their enemy into ambushes and traps isn't possible, neither is infiltrating his lines. The enemy will need to be broken by strength and courage alone. These are the most dreaded battle of the Millitarum Tempestus, but they still must rise up to the challenge. Armis Scions are perfectly designated for those most difficult engagments and form a solid wall of shield while the Clypeus become true to their name and become the javelin and spear that kills the enemy. If Scions are famed for their stealth and their precision, one should never forget that they are also indomitable
Composition: 2 Armis Scion Squad, 1-3 Clypeus Mobile Battery, 0-1 Ignis Scions Squad (must have the Assault Squad specialisation), 0-1 Millitarum Tempestus Commissars
Benefits: Protective Wall, A Line in the Sand
Protective Wall: Units behind the Armis Scions see their cover save improved by 1
A Line in the Sand: All infantry and Character unit in the formation will have the Feel No Pain (5+) Special Rule OR can fire Overwatch at normal Ballistic Skill once per game.
HQ
Tempestor Prime
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The most gifted Scions are those who rise in ranks. They have shown during their training and later on the battlefield that they were not only excellent combatants, masters of their weapons, but also calm collected and intelligent. They must have shown numerous times their tactical acumen and, even more importantly, their drive to learn more about their strengths and weaknesses and that of their enemies. Tempestor Primes are the commanders of the Tempestus Scion regiments. They are the paragon of their kind: fast, precise, disciplined and intelligent. Unlike Astra Millitarum high ranking officers, they operate in the field, sharing all the dangers their soldiers pass. They are discreet and efficient leaders who use their knowledge more than their charisma to direct their troops. They operate in key squads, or even alone in dire circumstances.
Special Rules: Officer, Voice of Command, Scion, Precision Shots, Split Fire, Weapon Master, Move Through Cover, Deep Strike, Independent Character
Weapon Master: The Tempestor Prime is a gifted soldier who knows his weapon better than his own person. He can fire twice with a weapon of his choice per round. Should he have a pair of weapons, only one of the two can fire twice since even such a gifted soldier cannot fire that fast. Furthermore, his ability to make Precision Shots is also passed down to any unit he joins.
Unit Composition: 1 (Infantry, character)
Option:
can replace his Hot-Shot Lasgun with auxiliary grenade launcher for a Twin-Linked Hot-Shot SMG for free
can replace his Hot-Shot Laspistol for a Plasma Pistol for (10 pts) or a Bolt Pistol for free
can replace his close combat weapon for a Power Weapon for (10 pts), a Power Fist for (15 pts) or a Shock Sword for (7 pts)
can take an Aer Grav-Chute for (10 pts) or a Camocloak for (10 pts)
can take a Refractor Field for (15 pts)
can take a meltacharge for (5 pts)
can take a single Tempestus Scions Heirloom
Millitarum Tempestus Commissars
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Commissars are feared individuals. Trained in the Scholam like their brothers and sisters of the Millitarum Tempestus and later in the Officio Prefectus academy, they are natural born leaders, charismatic individuals, talented warriors and acute tacticians. In the ranks of the Astra Millitarum, they serve as advisers and enforce discipline with an iron fist. In the Millitarum Tempestus, their role is a bit more extensive. The Astra Millitarum is forced to recognise and tolerate the military traditions and structures of the various worlds of the Imperium and the Commissars, being raised and trained by the Imperium, don't necessarily know and understand them profoundly. To avoid conflict of dogma, their role was restrained to adviser instead of officers. Scions and Commissars though, share the same doctrine and culture. Furthermore, those Commissars who gain the honor of serving as officers in a Scion regiment are the very best of their kind and will be granted the responsibility to serve as adjutants with actual command responsibility beside that of enforcing discipline. While this might make the chain of command a bit more complex and heavy, the small size of the Scion regiment and their near perfect discipline allow them to negate this potential drawback. Commissars of the Millitarum Tempestus allow and push their Scion subordinates to greater feats of courage and excellence and truly help turn the tide of a battle.
Special Rule: Scion, Stubborn, Aura of Discipline (Commissar Lord only), Officer, Voice of Command (Commissar Lord only), Deep Strike, Independent Character, Summary Execution
Unit Composition: 1 to 3 (Infantry, character)
Option:
a single Commissar in your army can be promoted to Commissar Lord for (15 pts)
can exchange the bolt pistol for a Plasma Pistol for (10 pts)
can exchange the Close Combat Weapon for a Power Weapon for (10 pts) or a Powerfist for (15 pts)
can take a Storm Bolter for (5 pts)
can take a refractor field for (15 pts)
can take a meltacharge for (5 pts)
Commissar Lords can take a single Tempestus Scions Heirloom
Elite
Ignis Scion Squad
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Ignis Scions are the very best Scions. They are those who have shown early on the greatest combat aptitudes and the drive to exploit them fully. They are also the Scions with the most battle experience. Each one of them has occupied varied position prior to be promoted to an Ignis Scion squad. Since their early days, they received supplementary training and more guidance from their superior officers and trainers as to exploit their talent. Now, as Ignis Scions, they serve as elite troopers, fighting where the enemy is the strongest, supporting their comrade and getting them out of tight spot. They frequently escort their Tempestor Prime and serves as bodyguard for him the battlefield. Their vast experience of covert operation makes them masters at sabotage and infiltration should they be called to do it. Unfortunately, there is few of them and each loss of an Ignis Scion is even harder to replace than one of their brothers or sisters
Special Rule: Scion, Move Through Cover, Scout, Deep Strike
Unit Composition: 5 to 10 (infantry)
Option:
One Ignis Scion must be promoted to Ignis Tempestor for (5 pts)
The Ignis Tempestor can replace his Close Combat weapon for a Power Weapon for (10 pts), a Shock Sword for (7 pts), or a Powerfist for (15 pts)
The Ignis Tempestor can replace his Hot-Shot Laspistol for a Bolt Pistol for free, or a Plasma Pistol for (10 pts)
Up to three Ignis Scion can replace their Hot-Shot Lasgun with auxiliary grenade launcher for a Plasma Gun for (10 pts), a Meltagun for (5 pts), a Hot-Shot Volleygun for (5 pts), or a Grenade Launcher for (2 pts)
The unit may take haywire and defensive grenades (2pts per model)
A single Ignis Scion can take an Aer Guidance System for (10 pts) or a Targetter for (15 pts)
A single Ignis Scion can take a Clarion Vox System Relay for (5 pts)
All Ignis Scions must take one of the following squad specialisation:
Recon Unit to gain a Camocloak per model and the Special Rule Acute Sense for (2 pts) each;
Assault Unit to gain an extra close combat weapon per model for (2 pt) each and one model must have a Regimental Standard for (20 pts)
Sabotage Unit for the unit to gain the ability to set up a Mine Field of 6' of diameter before deployment, but outside the ennemy deployment zone) for 2 pts each and two model can take Democharge for (10pts) each
The squad can take a Taurox Prime or a Valkyrie Prime as a dedicated transport
Armis Scion
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Armis Scions are a very specialised group of soldiers. In an army that favors speed and ranged encounter, they are armed and trained for close combat. Thanks to their heavy power shield and their shock swords they have the tools to take down enemies that would normally be far too strong for a normal human being. Nevertheless, each one of them as been selected for their excellent skills in close combat, their strength and their endurance. Armis Scions mostly serves in the bloody corridor fights of ship boarding or as an anvil for the rest to operate from. Using their shield in group they can provide protection to their allies and become extremely hard to shift from a zone should the enemy underestimate them. Despite their large shields, their stealth doctrine remain good enough for them to neither slow down or betray their felloe Scions.
Shield Lock: Armis Scions are trained to use their shield Cooperatively for defensive and offensive purpose. Should they be in base contact with one another, their armor saves improve by 1 step, gain the Counter Attack Special Rule.
Unit Composition: 5 to 10 (Infantry)
Option:
One Armis Scion must be promoted to Arnis Tempestor for (5 pts)
The Armis Tempestor can take an Aer Guidance System for (10 pts) or a Targetter for (15 pts)
All Armis Scion can exchange their Shock Sword for Power Weapon for (3 pts) or an Assault Shotgun with a Auxiliary Grenade Launcher for (5 pts)
Up to two Armis Scions and/or the Armis Tempestor can exchange their Hot-Shot Laspistols for a Bolt Pistol for free, or Plasma Pistol for (10 pts)
The squad can take a Taurox Prime or a Valkyrie Prime as a dedicated transport
The core of every Scion regiment is the Tempestus Scion Platoon. Each Tempestus Scion is an expertly train soldier. They first graduated in the brutal Schola Progenium where they were mind wiped, indoctrinated to be perfectly obedient and reared to be consummate killers before being put through inhumanly difficult and sometime deadly tests. Those who succeeded, were marked as great soldiers and were not sent to the Officio Prefectus to become Commissars or to the Sisterhood are than sent to the Tempestor Academy where they spent a further 4 years training in an intensive manner in various forms of combat. They learn they peerless stealth doctrine, their renown aerial assaults and extensive survival skills. Those who illustrated themselves in battle and are set to ascend to more elite units are regrouped together in command squads led by Tempestor Secundus. They provide extra experience and protection to those officers as well as more mobile firepower to support their brothers and sisters in arm. Their cohesion and innovative tactics is frequently at the core of their numerous successes.
Command Squad
Tempestus Scion Prime: WS: 4, BS: 4, S: 3, T: 3, W: 1, I: 4, A: 1, Ld: 8, Sv: 4+ pts: 15 per model
Tempestor Secundus: WS: 4, BS: 5, S: 3, T: 3, W: 2, I: 4, A: 2 Ld: 9, Sv: 4+
equipment: Carapace Armor, Hot-Shot Lasgun, Hot-Shot Laspistol, Close Combat Weapon (Tempestor Secundus Only), Frag and Krak Grenade, Clarion Vox System (Tempestor Secundus only)
Special Rule: Scion, Move Through Cover, Deep Strike, Officer, Voice of Command (Tempestor Secundus only)
Unit Composition: 5 (infantry)
Option:
A single Tempestus Scion Prime must be promoted to a Tempestor Secundus for (12 pts)
The Tempestor Secundus can exchange his Hot-Shot Lasgun for a Hot-Shot Lasgun with an Auxiliary Grenade Launcher for (5 pts)
The Tempestor Secundus can exchange his Hot-Shot Laspistol for a Bolt Pistol for free, or a Plasma Pistol for (10 pts)
The Tempestor Secundus can exchange his Close Combat Weapon for a Power Weapon for (10 pts), a Shock Sword for (7 pts), or a Powerfist for (15 pts)
The Tempestor Secundus can take an Aer Guidance System for (10 pts) or a Targetter for (10 pts)
The Tempestor Secundus can take a Meltacharge for (5 pts)
Any Tempestus Scion prime can exchange their Hot-shot lasguns for one of the following weapon: Plasma Gun (15 pts), Meltagun (10 pts), Grenade Launcher (5 pts), Hot-shot Volleygun (10 pts), a flamer (5 pts) or a Close Combat Weapon free)
Of those Tempestus Scion Primes not upgraded as above
One Tempestus Scion Prime can take a health kit for (10 pts)
One Tempestus Scion Prime can take a Clarion Vox System Relay for (5 pts)
One Tempestus Scion Prime can replace his Hot-Shot Lasgun for a Platoon Standard for (20 pts)
The squad can take a Taurox Prime or a Valkyrie Prime as a dedicated transport
Special Rule: Scion, Move Through Cover, Deep Strike
Unit Composition: 5 to 10 (infantry)
Option:
A Tempestus Scion must be promoted to a Tempestor Minoris for (4 pts)
The Tempestor Minoris can exchange his Hot-Shot Lasgun for a Hot-Shot Lasgun with an Auxiliary Grenade Launcher for (5 pts)
The Tempestor Minoris can exchange his Hot-Shot Laspistol for a Bolt Pistol for free, or a Plasma Pistol for (10 pts)
The Tempestor Minoris can exchange his Close Combat Weapon for a Power Weapon for (10 pts), a Shock Sword for (7 pts), or a Powerfist for (15 pts)
The Tempestor Minoris can take an Aer Guidance System for (10 pts) or a Targeter for (10 pts)
The Tempestor Minoris can take a Meltacharge for (5 pts)
Up to two Tempestus Scions can exchange their Hot-shot lasguns for one of the following weapon: Plasma Gun (15 pts), Meltagun (10 pts), Grenade Launcher (5 pts), Hot-shot Volleygun (10 pts), or a flamer (5 pts)
One other Tempestus Scion can take a Clarion Vox System Relay for (5 pts)
The squad can take a Taurox Prime or a Valkyrie Prime as a dedicated transport
Dedicated Transport
Taurox Prime
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The Taurox Prime is an extremely fast, well armed and armored transport. It can cross through some of the harshest terrain without slowing down all the while carrying the firepower of a light battle tank. Its overcharged engines are both safe and reliable. Thus, the Taurox Prime can be used for extensive missions behind the enemy lines and its decent armor allows it to weather small arm fire with ease. Very few forces can boast to have such a versatile and efficient vehicle in their armory. The Scions who pilot them are experts who know their vehicle as well as a Tempestus Scion knows his rifle. They are almost fearless and will never abandon their brethren in a difficult situation. A Taurox Prime can be armed in a variety of ways to deal with infantry hordes or enemy tanks and aircraft depending on the situation.
Taurox Prime: BS: 4, Armor: F: 11, S: 11, R: 10, HP: 3 pts: 70 per model
equipment: One Turret Mounted Taurox Light Battle Canon, One Hull Mounted Twin-Linked Hot-Shot Volleygun, Smoke Launcher
Special Rule: Tank, Fast, ATV, Transport
ATV: A Taurox Prime threads and engine are designed for all sorts of terrain. It's both amphibious and can reroll failed dangerous terrain tests.
Transport Capacity: 10 Models
Access Point: One on each side and one at the rear
Fire Point: two on each side
Option:
Can replace the Taurox Light Battle Canon for a Twin-Linked Taurox Gatling Canon for (5 pts) or for a Taurox Missile Launcher for (10 pts)
Can replace the Twin-Linked Hot-Shot Volleygun for Twin-Linked Autocannon for (10 pts)
Can take upgrades from the Armory of the Progenium
Valkyrie Prime
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The Valkyrie Prime is a heavily armed and armored aircraft designed for air to ground combat. Its powerful engines allow it to move at high speed and gives it great mobility to avoid enemy anti-air defense and hover over the battlefield. Its numerous weapons give it an impressive firepower on an extremely mobile basis. The Valkyrie Prime are different to the standard models by their more sophisticated weapon system and by the fact that their pilots are Scions themselves who were trained to a much higher level of excellence than the navy's pilots. Their capacity to deploy in the harshest conditions squads of Scions allow the Millitarum Tempestus to field one of the fastest military forces in the galaxy. In a pinch, the Valkyrie Prime can even engage other aircraft in dogfights.
Special Rule: Flier, Hover, Transport, Grav Chute Insertion
Grav Chute Insertion: Valkyrie Prime are equipped with the necessary system to drop troops via Grav-Chute should they be flying at high altitude or high speed. Should the player want to disembark a unit in a Valkyrie who moved faster than Combat Speed or who isn't hovering, select a point over which the Valkyrie passed and place a counter there and deploy the unit using the deep strike rules. Scatter the unit normally.
Transport Capacity: 12 Models
Access Point: One at the rear
Fire Point: None
Option:
The Valkyrie Prime can exchange its Twin-Linked Hot-Shot Multilaser for a Twin-Linked Lascanon for (5 pts)
Can replace the two Hellstrike missiles for two Rocket Pods for (10 pts)
Can take two sponson mounted Heavy Bolters for (20 pts)
Can take upgrades in the Armory of the Progenium
Fast Attack
Aer Scions
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Aer Scions are the pinnacle of the Millitarum Tempestus forces when it comes to aerial assault. They are the men and women who have shown the most aptitudes in piloting a Grav-Chute in any circumstances and a talent for short range firefights. To assist them, they are equipped with an Aer Grav-Chute, from which they derive their name, that can serve as a efficient jet pack on the battlefield. This makes them extremely mobile, capable of vaulting over tall obstacle, escaping assaulting enemy units and attacking them from above. The only weakness of those Grav-Chute is their weight limit that only allow the lightest and most agile Scions to use them. They also needed a lighter and more compact weapon than their standard Hot-Shot Lasgun. Thus, they are all armed with a small Hot-Shot LasSMG that provides them with a surprising amount of firepower but only at very short range.
Special Rule: Scion, Deep Strike, Move Through Cover, Hit and Run, Precise Jump
Unit Composition: 5 to 10 (Jet Pack Infantry)
Option:
A Aer Scion must be promoted to an Aer Tempestor for (4 pts)
The Aer Tempestor can exchange his Hot-Shot LasSMG for a Bolt Pistol for free or a pair of Plasma Pistol for (15 pts)
The Aer Tempestor can exchange his Close Combat Weapon for a Power Weapon for (10 pts), a Shock Sword for (7 pts) or a Powerfist for (15 pts)
The Aer Tempestor can take a Meltacharge for (5 pts) and a Targetter (20 pts)
Up to two Aer Scion can exchange their Hot-shot LasSMG for a pair of Plasma pistol for (15 pts)
Victory Prime
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To provide a more efficient aerial support and established dominance over the skies, a necessary asset to the survival and later extraction of Scions regiment, Valkyrie and Vendetta were not ideal. While they did possess great qualities they were not dedicated fighter aircrafts. They were not always sufficient to gain on a regular basis, even against well armed foes the supremacy in the air. The Victory Prime pattern was developed for this specific purpose without sacrificing some capacity for air to ground support. This pattern simply removed all transport capacity for a higher level of mobility and speed that can make the difference against enemy air units. It's weapon system is very performant against both lightly armored fast planes and heavier vehicle. The Scions who pilot them also trained specifically for dogfights, thus exploiting the Victory Prime to its Fullest.
Special Rule: Flier, Hover, Vector Dancing, Preferred Enemy (fliers)
Unit Composition: 1 (flier)
Option:
all Twin-Linked Hotshot Multilaser can be replaced for Twin-Linked Lascanon for (15 pts)
can take two extra Heavy Bolter for (20 pts)
can take upgrades in the Armory of the Progenium
Vendetta Prime
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The Vendetta is a Valkyrie Pattern that sacrificed a portion of its transport capacity for a heavier weapon system designed to take down heavily armored units. Scions don't carry a lot of heavy weapons on them and when the need to destroy tanks or well protected bunkers arise, Vendetta are called in. Their small transport capacity allows them to transport small groups of specialists or rescue squads in danger. Their powerful lascanon can make short work of most low speed enemy fliers with ease. The Scions who pilot them are especially trained in armor recognition and destruction and its not rare to see one of these vehicle have a score card in the dozen.
Special Rule: Flier, Hover, Transport, Grav Chute Insertion
Grav Chute Insertion: Valkyrie Prime are equipped with the necessary system to drop troops via Grav-Chute should they be flying at high altitude or high speed. Should the player want to disembark a unit in a Valkyrie who moved faster than Combat Speed or who isn't hovering, select a point over which the Valkyrie passed and place a counter there and deploy the unit there like if it had used Deep Strike even if she normally can't. Scatter the unit normally.
Transport Capacity: 6 Models
Access Point: One at the rear
Fire Point: None
Option:
can take two additional hull mounted Heavy Bolter for (20 pts)
can take upgrades in the Armory of the Progenium
Venator Prime Squadron
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While Millitarum Tempestus are notoriously airborne, they still require some form of ground support vehicle that can keep up with their swift advance and be transported from battlezone to battlezone in short order. The Venator Prime is a small size wheeled and armored vehicle that fits all the requirements. This vehicle, first used by Elysians, serves both as a scout vehicle, but also a support vehicle. Its hull isn't very heavily armored, but still offer a decent amount of protection. It's weapon system is versatile, from Lascanon, to Multimelta and Hot-Shot Multilaser. They possess a very similar engine system to that of the Taurox, making the vehicle extremely reliable in hard terrain. The Venator Primes operate in small group to support and provide covering fire to each other much like aircrafts.
Can replace the Turret Mounted Twin-Linked Multimelta for Twin-Linked Hot-Shot Multilaser for (10 pts) or Twin-Linked Lascanon for (15 pts)
Can replace the Hull Mounted Twin-Linked Hot-Shot Volleygun for Twin-Linked Meltagun
can take upgrades in the Armory of the Progenium
Heavy Support
Insidias Scion Squad
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Those Scions who have demonstrated at the Tempestor Academy their skills in marksmanship were removed from their normal squads and assigned to specialised trainers to nurture those talents. Scions are at all time expected to maintain a marksmanship grade that would shame many Imperial Guard snipers, thus their very own sharpshooters are almost asked the impossible in terms of quality. To accomplish this, it takes years of practice, the perfect physical aptitudes and the very best targeting systems. Insidias Scions have years of experience both in the field and in training to achieve such a high level of accuracy. The stealth doctrine of those snipers is so good they might as well be ghosts and their weapons much more powerful than the standard sniper. The Insidias Scions are known to men and women of few words and serene calm born out of a training focused as much on relaxation and meditation as on physical prowess.
Special Rule: Scion, Move Through Cover, Shrouded (Include the Camocloak bonus), Deep Strike, Infiltration
Unit Composition: 3 to 6 (infantry)
Option:
an Insidias Scion must be promoted to an Insidias Tempestor for (20 pts)
The Insidias Tempestor can take a Targetter for (10 pts)
The Insidias Tempestor can take a Meltacharge for (5 pts)
up to two Insidias Scion can take demo-charge for (10 pts)
Umbra Mobile Shield Generator
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Scions rely on speed and, especially, on stealth to strike at the enemy. Despite being well protected by their carapace armor, they cannot afford to be faced with well directed, intense firepower for they are far from possessing the numbers and tanks of the Astra Millitarum or the resilience of the Adeptus Astartes. When it's inevitable for the Scion to face an opponent so well equipped that no amount of speed and air support can alleviate the damage, the Umbra Mobile Shield Generator is deployed. This piece of equipment, an ancient and precious piece of technology almost impossible to reproduce now, is capable of deploying two types of shield to protect the advance of the Scions on the ground. The first one is a stealth shield that distort the vision of all those looking toward it like if they were trying to see through dense fog, smoke or strong heat wave. This allow Scions to approach with an extra measure of protection. The second is a shorter range traditional shield that protect against almost all form of ranged attack. The shield generator itself is well armored and mobile thanks to anti-grav technology that allows it to move slowly but silently and safely. It can even be dropped from the sky right in position with the rest of the forces if need be. The Umbra Mobile Shield Generator is also equipped with a few light weapons to keep enemy troops at distance and prevent them from shutting down the shield to easily. It's also capable of withstanding most light canon shells and blasts.
Umbra Mobile Shield Generator: BS: 4, Armor: F: 12, S: 12, R: 10, HP: 3 pts: 160 per model
equipment: Umbra Shield, two turret mounted Hot-Shot Volleygun
Umbra Shield: This rare design of shield generator can be used in two fashion. It can either project a camouflage field or a protective barrier. At the beginning of each round, select one of the two setting. If you choose the first one, the shield affects all units, including the shield itself, within 18" and grants the Special Rule Shrouded. If you choose the second one, it affects all units, including the shield itself, within 6' and provides a 5+ invulnerable save. The effect of multiple shield generator overlapping don't stack.
Special Rule: Deep Strike, Heavy, Skimmer
Unit Composition: 1 (Vehicle)
Option:
can take an Aer Guidance System for (10 pts)
can replace the Hot-Shot Volleygun for Hot-Shot Multilaser for (20 pts)
Clypeus Mobile Battery
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The Clypeus Mobile Battery is a small, but very efficient short range missile battery. Its equipped with various missile designed for destroying every kind of enemy that a small regiment of Scions might otherwise struggle to defeat even with air support. It was designed to provide support in the rare situation where the Scions are holding an objective or are fighting a rearguard action. Their small size and weigth allow them to be deployed via Grav-chute where they are the most needed and disassembled after the battle in short order. The only problem is that the strength of those missile, while impressive, isn't as great as other weapons of the sort deployed by the Astra Millitarum and the limited ammunition they possessed. The Scion in charge of the Clypeus knows how to make them count the most. Sometime, the destruction of a few key unit is all that is needed to stop an enemy assault long enough for the rest of the Scions to counter attack.
Clypeus Mobile Battery: BS: 4, Armor: F: 11, S: 11, R: 10, HP: 2 pts: 100 per model
equipment: 4 Firestorm Missile, 1 Hot-Shot Volleygun,
Special Rule: Fixed Battery, Light Artillery, Split Fire, Deep Strike, Open-Top
Fixed Battery: Once deployed, the Clypeus Mobile Battery are actually immobile and cannot be moved for the rest of the game. While they are usually deployed in small group, they can operate and be deployed independantly from one another. They do not respect the rules of vehicle squadrons. A Clypeus Mobile Battery cannot hold or contest an objective.
Light Arillery: The Clypeus Mobile Battery targetting system aren't performant enough to shoot all of its payload in a single salvo even in the best circomstances. It can only fire up to two weapons during a normal round, but can aim them at different targets. On the turn it Deep Strike, it can only fire a single weapon.
Unit Composition: 1-3 (vehicle, deploy independantly)
Option:
the four Firestorm missile can be replace for any number between one to four of the following missiles: Caducus Missile and Giant Slayer Missile for free.
can take upgrades in the Armory of the Progenium
Lords of War
Magnus and Varen Krassus, commanders of the 55th Kappic Eagles
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The Krassus brothers are probably the most famous and decorated members of the Ordo Tempestus of hte last 3000 years. Both of them have shown all the qualities that every Scion and Commissar should have and applied them on the battlefield. Record says that they are distant relatives of Lord Solar Solon, one of the brightest general of the Imperium after Macharius himself. Both of them quickly distinguished themselves in their Scholam and were quickly put in command position. At the beginning of their carrier, both brothers were fighting seperatly. Magnus Krassus was the Tempestor Prime, one of the youngest in history, of the 55th Kappic Eagles while is brother Varen was serving in various other regiments of the Millitarum Tempestus as Commissar and than Commissar Lord. Both of them quickly accumulated feats of heroism and commandation. Magnus greateast victory was his sabotage destruction of a massive ork Kill Cruiser before it could reach a few Agri-World, saving them from destruction and the entire sector from famine. Varen managed to extract a traitor Governor from a world invaded by Tyranids and extract a regiment of brave Catashan at the same time. Later, Magnus was credited with the death of a Biel-Tan Autarch during a raid against an Imperial research facility. Varen, was further known for killing a small, but rising Chaos Lord before he could retrieve a burried daemon engine. It's only a recent event, the onset of the 13th Black Crusade, that saw the two brothers reunited. While they haven't seen each other for decades, they still possess this incredible bond and coordination that made them so united and performant in the Scholam. Their early and incredible victories against the forces of Chaos attest to the wise decision of reuniting the two best commanders in a single regiment and use them both as a great symbol and precise blade to strike at the enemy's vital.
equipment Varen: Carapace Armor, Plasma Pistol, The Solar Sword, Refractor Field, Frag, Krak, Haywire and Defensive grenades
Special Rule Magnus: Scion, First Officer, Voice of Command, Scion, Precision Shot, Split Fire, Weapon Master, Move Through Cover, Deep Strike, Independent Character, Twin Command
Special Rule Varen: Scion, Stubborn, Aura of Discipline, Officer, Voice of Command, Deep Strike, Independent Character, Summary Execution, Twin Command
First Officer: The Krassus brothers are almost peerless officers amongs the Millitarum Tempestus. They can give two orders per turn instead of one. A single squad cannot be given two different orders a turn.
Twin Command: The Krassus brothers are always in perfect harmony on hte battlefield. Each of them knows exactly how the other will react. They always are completing each other perfectly. Both of them are considered automaticaly the warlord of your army. Both of them need to be killed to receive the victory point associated with slaying the warlord of the enemy and you can use the warlord traits of both characters at the same time. Furthermore, should both of them be in the same squad, the range of their orders is increased to 24' and the Aura of Discipline of Varen Krassus increse to 12' for there is something heroic to see them both fighting side by side.
Unit Composition: 2 (unique independant character, can be deployed individualy)
The Star-Shot Lasgun: An ancient prototype dating from the last days of the Great Crusade that could never be replicated. It was gifted to the Ordo Tempestus by the Fabricator of Mars as a mark of honor. It fires beems of plasma at fast speed, but lower power than traditionnal plasma weapon. It has proven to be safer, but in the hands of Magnus Krassus, it's a fearsome weapon. Range: 24, S: 5, AP: 2, Assault 2
The Solar Sword: Believed to be the sword of Warmaster Solon himself, Varen Krassus received it as part of his inheritence as a distant relative of the Warmaster and as a reward for his multiple act of heroism. It's one of the finest blade in the arsena of the Millitarum Tempestus. Range: -, S: +1, AP: 2, Mastercrafted.
Adaptive Armor: Transform a single penetrating hit into a glancing hit (10 pts)
Camo Netting: Give the vehicle the Special Rule Stealth, ground vehicle only (10 pts)
Counter Measure System: Give the Vehicule a 4+ cover save for a single round per game as lures and flares are shot form the vehicle, air vehicule only (10 pts)
Self Repair System: The vehicule possess a rare system that allows it to repair itself of even serious damage over time. Should the vehicule be immobilised it can lose this status on a roll of 6+. It can also restore a weapon destroyed or a lost hull point in the same way. (15 pts)
Relic Plating: Grant the vehicule and the unit onboard the Special Rule Adamantine Will, transport vehicle only (5 pts)
Augury Array: Gives the Interception Special Rule to all infantry units within 12' of the vehicle. (15 pts)
High Power transmitter: Allows an officer to give orders from inside the vehicule, trasnport vehicle only (10 pts)
Tempestus Scions Heirloom
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The Blade of Terra: These Two-Handed power swords were once carried by the highest ranking officers of the Solar Auxilia. These relics were tranfered to the Ordo Tempestus after the Reign of Blood and are carried by a few privileged Commissar Lords and Tempestor Prime. Range: -, S: +2, AP: 2, Require Two-Hands. (20 pts)
The Gauntlet of Avitius: These gauntlets were hand crafted by a genius Techpriest for the Tempestor Prime Avitius who saved his life. These gauntlets were designed to be the perfect firing aids thanks to recoil compensators, auto-sense and a sophisticated machine spirit that link itself to the tactical helmet of the bearer. It allows the bearer to increase the range of all his weapon by 6' and allows him to fire overwatch at full Ballistic Skill. (25 pts)
The Armor of the Dragon: An ancient suit of blessed Carapace Armor with a integrated power field, legend says it was crafted by Vulkan himself for a Solar Auxilia commander he would have loved. Studies on the armor seems to indicate its of too recent design for it to be true, but the legend remains very popular. The quality of the armor would make Vulkan himself proud though. It's a suit of Carapce Armor that grants an armor save of 3+ and an invulnerable save of 4+ to the bearer. (30 pts)
The Star of Terra: The highest decoration a man or woman can possibly receive. The berarer of the Star of Terra are all mighty hero and there is an incredible prestige associated with it. The bearer of this decoration has a bonus of +1 to his Leadership and the Adamantium Will Special Rule. In addition, as long as he lives, all units within 6' gain a bonus of +1 in Attack and score an extra point when it comes to combat resolution. This bonus stacks with that of a Platoon Standard. (45 pts)
The Heart of the Sun: A sophisticated plasma pistol carried by a famous Commissar Lord. This powerful weapon was used in many glorious engagements and was most famously known for scarring a monstruous and unstoppable Carnifex. Range: 12, S: 8, AP 2, Pistol, fire twice a round, Get's Hot (25 pts)
The Messenger of Heaven Vox System: An old Vox System found in a lost colony. It can carries instruction at a greater range than any other of its kind. The few officers who have been blessed with such a device, can issue orders at incredible range without fear of having their message lost or intercepted. This Vox System allows all units within 24' to receive orders from the bearer of this Vox System and use his Leadership for their moral tests. (25 pts)
Tempestus Scions Arsenal
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Aer Grav-Chute: A sophisticated grav-chute system modified for combat use. It lends tremendous mobility to the wielder. It allows the wielder to move like if he had a Jet Pack.
Aer Guidance System: A sophisticated sensor device that is used for more pinpoint navigation, especially during Grav-Chute jumps. It grants the Special Rules Acute Sense and Precise Jump
Auxiliary Grenade Launcher: A grenade launcher attachment that allows to fire grenades at great distance with precision. It allows the wielder to fire a single grenade of all the type he owns per game like if he had a grenade launcher with a range of 18'.
Clarion Vox System: A powerful and secure vox system integrated in the helmets of officers. It allows all Scion unit to use the Leadership of their officers with 18' of them.
Clarion Vox System Relay: A heavier pack that enhance the vox system of the Scions and secure their communication further. It allows Scions to re-roll failed Leadership tests
Medic Kit: A complete first aid kit for field surgeries. It grants the entire squad who has it the Feel No Pain (5+) Special Rule
Mine Field: An area where hidden explosive awaits for an enemy unit to pass to detonate when they trigger their sensors. Any enemy unit who enter the area of the mine field suffer 2d6 Strength 4 AP: - hits. Vehicle are attacked on their Side armor. After the hits are resolved, the mine field is removed.
Platoon and Regimental Standard: A banner of the Millitarum Tempestus. It's rarely carried on the battlefield, but is a potent symbol of courage and unity. It grants a bonus of 1 in Leadership to all units within 6' and grants the unit who wields it a bonus of +1 in attack and they count as scoring an extra casualty during close combat. Units with Platoon and Regimental Standards cannot have the Stealth Special Rule.
Camocloak. A cloak that mimic the environment surrounding it to provide superior camouflage. It grants the Stealth Special Rule or Conceal if the Model already has it.
Power Shield: A Medium sized shield with an integrated power field that provides great protection to the wearer. It grants the wielder a 4+ invulnerable save, but requires a hand to use it and doesn't grant an bonus attack for wielding two weapon in close combat.
Precision Magnocular: A sophisticated set of magnocular designed to assist long range fire. The model with this item can use it instead of shooting, granting the squad an extra 12' in range with its weapon and a bonus of +1 to their Ballistic Skills.
Refractor Field: A personal power field used by key officers. It's light and rather efficient. . It grants a 5+ invulnerable save to the model.
Targetter: A targeting assistance device that allow Scions to use their shot more efficiently. The model with this item can use it instead of shooting, granting the squad the Special Rules Precision Shots and Split Fire.
Hot-Shot Laspistol: A sophisticated, precise and high power lasweapon use for close range: Range: 9, S: 3, AP: 3, Pistol
Hot-Shot LasSMG: A sophisticated, precise and high power lasweapon with a tremendous fire rate. It's short enough to be wielded with one hand but has a collapsible stock: Range: 9, S: 3, AP: 3, Pistol, fires four times per turn
Hot-Shot Lasgun: A sophisticated, precise and high power lasweapon designed for medium range combat Range: 15, S: 3, AP: 3, assault 2
Hot-Shot Volleygun: A sophisticated, precise and high power lasweapon designed for suppressive fire Range: 24, S: 4, AP: 3, Assault 3
Hot-Shot Longlas: A sophisticated, precise and high power lasweapon designed for suppressive fire Range: 48, S: X, AP: 3, Heavy 1, Sniper
Hot-Shot Multilaser: A sophisticated, precise and high power lasweapon designed to tackle light vehicle Range: 30, S: 6, AP: 2, Heavy 3
Flamer: A standard flame weapon. range: template, S: 4, AP: 5, Assault 1, flamer
Meltagun: A short range anti-tank weapon using an incredibly powerful heat ray: range: 12, S: 8, AP: 1, Assault 1, melta
Multimelta: A larger, more powerful version of the Meltagun: range: 24, S: 8, AP: 1, Heavy 1, melta
Plasma Pistol: A sophisticated, rare and dangerous pistol that fires a ball of superheated plasma at its target: range 12, S: 7, AP: 2, Pistol
Plasma Gun: A sophisticated, rare and dangerous rifle that fires a ball of superheated plasma at its target: range 24, S: 7, AP: 2, Rapid Fire
Grenade Launcher Frag: A rifle specialised in the propulsion of grenades at fast pace and long range. range: 24, S: 3, AP: 6, Assault 1, blast
Grenade Launcher Krak: A rifle specialised in the propulsion of grenades at fast pace and long range. range: 24, S: 6, AP: 4, Assault 1
Grenade Launcher Haywire: A rifle specialised in the propulsion of grenades at fast pace and long range. range: 24, S: 3, AP: -, Assault 1, haywire
Grenade Launcher Defensive: range: A rifle specialised in the propulsion of grenades at fast pace and long range. 24, S: 1, AP: -, Assault 1, blast, blind
Bolt Pistol: A sophisticated bolt firing pistol range: 12, S: 4, AP: 5, Pistol
Assault Shotgun: A powerful semi-automatic solid shell weapon designed to cause extreme damage at short range range: 12, S: 4, AP: -, Assault 3
Storm Bolter: A rare bolt firing light machine gun range: 24, S: 4, AP: 5, Assault 2
Heavy Bolter: A famous bolt firing heavy machine gun range: 36, S: 5, AP: 4, Heavy 3
Autocanon: A light canon with a high fire rate range: 48, S: 7, AP: 4, Heavy 2
Lascanon: A light canon who fires a devastating lasbolt range: 48, S: 9, AP: 2, Heavy 1
Taurox Gatling Canon: A light canon that fires a stupendous amount of high caliber bullets range: 24, S: 4, AP: 6, Heavy 10
Taurox Light Battle Canon: A light and reliable battle canon range: 60, S: 7, AP: 4, Heavy 1, blast
Taurox Missile Launcher Krak: A heavy and sophisticated missile launcher system range: 48, S: 8, AP: 3,Heavy 2
Taurox Missile Launcher Frag: A heavy and sophisticated missile launcher system range: 48, S: 4, AP: 6, Heavy 2, blast
Taurox Missile Launcher Flak: A heavy and sophisticated missile launcher system range: 48, S: 7, AP: 4, Heavy 2, skyfire
Hellstrike Missile: A powerful and dangerous missile range: 72, S: 8, AP: 3, heavy 1, large blast, one use only
Rocket Pod: A pod of multiple small explosive rocket designed to shred infantrie range: 24, S: 4, AP: 6, heavy 1, large blast
Firestorm Missile: A powerful incendiary missile design to melt enemy troops away despite cover. range: 9-60, S: 5, AP: 4, Heavy 1, large blast, ignore cover, pinning, barrage
Caducus Missile: A precise and efficient cluster missile design to destroy aircraft with ease. range: 60, S: 8, AP: 2, Heavy 3, skyfire
Giant Slayer Missile: A powerful melta charged missile designed to destroy heavily armored vehicle. range: 9-60, S: 8, AP: 1, Heavy 1, blast, armorbane, pinning, barrage
Power Sword: A famous weapon equipped with a powerfield capable of cutting through armor and flesh with ease range: -, S: -, AP: 3
Power Maul: A famous weapon equipped with a powerfield capable of cutting through armor and flesh with ease range: -, S: +2, AP: 4, concussive
Power Spear: A famous weapon equipped with a powerfield capable of cutting through armor and flesh with ease range: -, S: -/+1, AP: 4/3, the second profile is applied when the unit charges
Shock Sword: A sword equipped with a light powerfield designed to stun and paralyse the enemy, exposing him to an easy killing blow range: -, S: +2, AP: 6, concussive
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One thing I'm going to suggest: Drop the refractor field from the basic equipment and add it back as an optional purchase (with appropriately adjusted points cost)
Yes many people would still buy it anyway but some people (me included) would prefer a cheaper character especially as his T of 3 is likely to mean any failed save will likely cause him ID
One thing I'm going to suggest: Drop the refractor field from the basic equipment and add it back as an optional purchase (with appropriately adjusted points cost)
Yes many people would still buy it anyway but some people (me included) would prefer a cheaper character especially as his T of 3 is likely to mean any failed save will likely cause him ID
Agreed on that point. He is a bit pricey barebone like that. I will change it immediatly with a few other adjustment.
For those wondering, I will not change his BS back to 5. Veridyan, a canoness has BS 7 and, in my version, regular canoness had WS 6. They make a nice mirror to Space Marine Captain, and Space Marine in general, who are much knightly and focus on close combat. It's a lot, but Scions are at peak of human efficiency and have lots of tools to assist their accuracy, thus I don't think it's this far fetched. L it I would also say that a BS 6 doesn't provide as much advantages as a WS 6.
Scions are the peak of human efficiency?
Cute, because Captains are the peak of the peak of post-human efficiency.
If you ask me his BS should be worse than a Captain, but I appreciate that the 1-10 stat system doesn't allow that as BS4 would be too low.
But in general I don't think you should be inventing dozens of new things when things already exist to fill that role. Where possible take the already existing and tweak it imo.
For example 'Foedus Rover Squadrons' why not just use Taurox?
Sniper Scions are pretty cool, as would melee Scions. But can't normal Scions already exchange their HS-lasguns for CCWs?
Do you need a Victory class Valkyrie? Why? You have the Vendetta, why not add the Vulture.
What exactly will Ignis scions be? Special Weapons teams.
You need to be careful though that you don't step on the Elysian or D-99's toes if you're using things like Vultures.
Commissar Lords BS can match a Captain BS, so post human doesn't mean outside of reach of well trained veterans, and since they'd focus more on shooting, it makes sense
Bobthehero wrote: Commissar Lords BS can match a Captain BS, so post human doesn't mean outside of reach of well trained veterans, and since they'd focus more on shooting, it makes sense
How much better can a human (current life span ~100yrs) be than a space marine (current life span indefinite)
Normally an average trained human is BS 3, an average trained space marine is BS4
A well very trained human is BS4, a very well trained space marine is BS5
I'm cool with an extremely well trained human reaching BS5, but as someone already mentioned, BS6 puts him on par with the best fething shot in the toilet seat boys.
kirotheavenger wrote: Scions are the peak of human efficiency?
But in general I don't think you should be inventing dozens of new things when things already exist to fill that role. Where possible take the already existing and tweak it imo.
For example 'Foedus Rover Squadrons' why not just use Taurox?
Taurox are transport Vehicule, Foedus Rover aren't. They are small, overgunned scout vehicule that operate in squadron. Thus, they don't fill the same role on the battlefield, neither would they really look alike. In that regard they are more simillar to Ork Buggy or Land Speeder than Taurox
Do you need a Victory class Valkyrie? Why? You have the Vendetta, why not add the Vulture.
What exactly will Ignis scions be? Special Weapons teams.
In simple term it will be squad that will combine the stealth of the Scions Snipers with the firepower of a Special Weapon Team and a better close combat capacity than standard Scions all of this will come at a high price though.
Vicotry class Valkyrie will serve more as air superiority fighter than transport. It will also be cheaper than the rather pricey Vendetta. Scions, in my opinion, should have a lot of airborn unit and should could on airial superiority to win.
One thing I'm going to suggest: Drop the refractor field from the basic equipment and add it back as an optional purchase (with appropriately adjusted points cost)
Yes many people would still buy it anyway but some people (me included) would prefer a cheaper character especially as his T of 3 is likely to mean any failed save will likely cause him ID
Agreed on that point. He is a bit pricey barebone like that. I will change it immediatly with a few other adjustment.
For those wondering, I will not change his BS back to 5. Veridyan, a canoness has BS 7 and, in my version, regular canoness had WS 6. They make a nice mirror to Space Marine Captain, and Space Marine in general, who are much knightly and focus on close combat. It's a lot, but Scions are at peak of human efficiency and have lots of tools to assist their accuracy, thus I don't think it's this far fetched. L it I would also say that a BS 6 doesn't provide as much advantages as a WS 6.
Your point is flawed. Veridyan is a special character, and is right to be unique as thus. I have no issue with an obviously blessed unique character having high stats. That's part of what makes them unique.
Your Tempestor Prime? Not so. There are possibly more Tempestor Primes in the galaxy than there are probably Space Marines, let alone Captains. Just calculating the bare minimum of canon Scion regiments that exist (found on Lexicanum), we get 6082 Tempestor Primes, assuming of course that there is at least one Tempestor Prime per Scion Regiment. That may be higher. And that's just the canon ones recorded - and I'm fairly sure that there are more than 9 Regiments of Iotan Gryphonnes.
So, I think it's reasonable to assume that we could easily have a LOT of Tempestor Primes running around.
And yet your "average" unnamed Tempestor Prime, at peak human efficiency and with possible targeters, is as good a shot as the best recorded Space Marine marksman, who has all the Astartes implants, equipment of worthy of a First Founding Chapter, and centuries of experience? Sorry, I don't buy it.
We can eliminate targeters as a reasoning, because Space Marines would have targeters of a similar quality, if not better, so the only determining factor comes to skill. Skill which a Space Marine, an already peak-performance human before boosted to demi-godly tier with implants, has honed over centuries. Compared to just the peak-performance human and decades of experience?
BS6 and WS6 have equal benefits - depending on what the character is armed with. BS6 is useless if you're holding a laspistol. WS6 is useless if you have a chainsword, and have a low base strength. See here, ranged weapons have a base strength, which means that BS is the only thing on the statline that affects you. With WS, you need:
High WS High S
High I, or a high T or save, if you want to survive to strike.
Yes, a high WS makes it harder for others to hit you, but only slightly.
With a Tempestor who has a squishy human statline for S and T, they clearly aren't built for close combat. Therefore, BS is the logical choice for a god-stat. With a Space Marine Captain, they could perform admirably at both, boasting both a high WS and BS. A big reason why Captains aren't used as firebases is the lack of a good weapon to use for it. The only decent option that's not putting the Captain at risk of being charged is the Primarch's Wrath.
Sorry, I meant Tauros. Basically a buggy mounting a heavy flamer or multilaser
You get heavy weapons Tauros Venator versions as well. Mounting a TW-lascannon.
Your Victory Pattern Valkyrie sounds exactly like a slimmed down Vendetta if it's a smaller capacity designed for air superiority.
Why do you need 2 aircraft doing exactly the same thing?
Maybe instead of adding entire unique aircraft, why not add some unique upgrades to represent the elite status of the Tempestus?
Such as Reinforced Armour (+AV), or being able to mount autocannons, or lascannons or whatever on your fliers.
What's the logic behind of Ignis troopers? ''Hey let's a unit with the best bits of the entire codex''?.
You've got heavily armoured melee troops (I'm assuming these would be power armoured?) and stealthy troops, I think they would be better as just special weapons troops.
Speaking of heavily armoured guys, why not make them assault troops instead of just melee troops. So the choice of melee weapons or shotguns or something.
Elysian Drop Troops are essentially paratroopers.
100% flyer type stuff. They use some small vehicles which are all air lifted.
D99 are essentially genehanced elite Elysians. They have dedicated sniper and special weapons teams.
If you're going for a airbourne Tempestus force that sounds a lot like D99 + HS-lasguns.
Your Tempestor Prime? Not so. There are possibly more Tempestor Primes in the galaxy than there are probably Space Marines, let alone Captains. Just calculating the bare minimum of canon Scion regiments that exist (found on Lexicanum), we get 6082 Tempestor Primes, assuming of course that there is at least one Tempestor Prime per Scion Regiment. That may be higher. And that's just the canon ones recorded - and I'm fairly sure that there are more than 9 Regiments of Iotan Gryphonnes.
So, I think it's reasonable to assume that we could easily have a LOT of Tempestor Primes running around.
And yet your "average" unnamed Tempestor Prime, at peak human efficiency and with possible targeters, is as good a shot as the best recorded Space Marine marksman, who has all the Astartes implants, equipment of worthy of a First Founding Chapter, and centuries of experience? Sorry, I don't buy it.
We can eliminate targeters as a reasoning, because Space Marines would have targeters of a similar quality, if not better, so the only determining factor comes to skill. Skill which a Space Marine, an already peak-performance human before boosted to demi-godly tier with implants, has honed over centuries. Compared to just the peak-performance human and decades of experience?
Where I do see some problem is that it implies that Space Marine live longer than humans which is dubious at best. Rejuvenat treatment is common amongst nobles and officers. Scions and Tempestor Prime being both can be centuries old without any problem. Thus experience is a moot point. Training is also a moot point considering that Scion training is about as difficult and rigorous as that of Space Marines. It involve real combat, starts from the age of 6, is given by experimented trainers and is composed of multiple deadly tests. Space Marines Captain are in the top 1 tier out of a 100 of all Space Marines. Tempestor Prime in the top 1 tier out of a 1000 Scions. Thus, in terms of proportion, there is a lot more Space Marine Captain than Tempestor Prime. Finally, Space Marine captain have little option of range weapons, amongst other thing, because they are expected to fight like feudal knights not like modern soldiers or Skirmshers. They lead from the front. Tellion is a sniper. He uses no target aid since he doesn't have a power armor or a tactical helmet. He fires a bolter which is probably a much more difficult weapon to fire than a Hot-Shot Lasgun which has almost no recoil and is isn't affected as much by various battlefield condition like heavy rain, wind or intense gravity. I would say that Tellion is better than a Tempestor Prime, but that a scale of 1 to 10 doesn't allow us to represent it faithfully. Yet I do think that a man or woman specialised in range combat will be better with time than a man specialised in close combat in range combat, especially if the former has as much time and comes form a bigger pool of recruits than the later.
Also, as far as targeters goes, Stormtroopers used to have rules regarding their targeters, SM's? Not so much, it stands to reason that the Stormtroopers targeters were actually worth considering
kirotheavenger wrote: Sorry, I meant Tauros. Basically a buggy mounting a heavy flamer or multilaser
You get heavy weapons Tauros Venator versions as well. Mounting a TW-lascannon.
Your Victory Pattern Valkyrie sounds exactly like a slimmed down Vendetta if it's a smaller capacity designed for air superiority.
Why do you need 2 aircraft doing exactly the same thing?
Maybe instead of adding entire unique aircraft, why not add some unique upgrades to represent the elite status of the Tempestus?
Such as Reinforced Armour (+AV), or being able to mount autocannons, or lascannons or whatever on your fliers.
What's the logic behind of Ignis troopers? ''Hey let's a unit with the best bits of the entire codex''?.
You've got heavily armoured melee troops (I'm assuming these would be power armoured?) and stealthy troops, I think they would be better as just special weapons troops.
Speaking of heavily armoured guys, why not make them assault troops instead of just melee troops. So the choice of melee weapons or shotguns or something.
Elysian Drop Troops are essentially paratroopers.
100% flyer type stuff. They use some small vehicles which are all air lifted.
D99 are essentially genehanced elite Elysians. They have dedicated sniper and special weapons teams.
If you're going for a airbourne Tempestus force that sounds a lot like D99 + HS-lasguns.
I don't know the stats of the Tauros neither was I aware of its existence three minutes ago.
Ignis Troopers are the Scion Equivalent to the Sternguard Veteran. Better than tactical marine at everything, but ot by all that much, but worse than true specialist in a specific domain.
Let me right down my stuff before going into the details because, even now, its hard for me to evaluate all of your points as they deserve.
I've never heard of a human being hundreds of years old.
Oldest human I've heard of was I think a Lord General who was 120yrs, and that's a Lord General, promoted well above a Tempestus Prime (who would be what, like a colonel?)
The rules for Tauros are in Imperial Armour 3, the Taros Campaign. Second edition is most up to date.
D99 rules are in IE4, the Anphelion project.
If you look you can find them if you all you want is a quick look.
Tauros is just a 10/10/10 fast vehicle, Venator gets 11 on the front.
I can get behind that for Ignis Troopers.
Don't overcook it though.
Yeah I appreciate not to get into the nitty gritty, I'm just making presumptions of what things might be like. Feel free to prove me wrong though
Your Tempestor Prime? Not so. There are possibly more Tempestor Primes in the galaxy than there are probably Space Marines, let alone Captains. Just calculating the bare minimum of canon Scion regiments that exist (found on Lexicanum), we get 6082 Tempestor Primes, assuming of course that there is at least one Tempestor Prime per Scion Regiment. That may be higher. And that's just the canon ones recorded - and I'm fairly sure that there are more than 9 Regiments of Iotan Gryphonnes. So, I think it's reasonable to assume that we could easily have a LOT of Tempestor Primes running around.
And yet your "average" unnamed Tempestor Prime, at peak human efficiency and with possible targeters, is as good a shot as the best recorded Space Marine marksman, who has all the Astartes implants, equipment of worthy of a First Founding Chapter, and centuries of experience? Sorry, I don't buy it. We can eliminate targeters as a reasoning, because Space Marines would have targeters of a similar quality, if not better, so the only determining factor comes to skill. Skill which a Space Marine, an already peak-performance human before boosted to demi-godly tier with implants, has honed over centuries. Compared to just the peak-performance human and decades of experience?
Where I do see some problem is that it implies that Space Marine live longer than humans which is dubious at best. Rejuvenat treatment is common amongst nobles and officers.
But rarely are they at combat effieciency. Inquisitors get that level of juvenant treatment, but a commanding frontline officer? Not to mention that juvenent treatments don't make one any more resilient to the weariness of age - it just prolongs life to an essential level - no more power in frontline combat. The best juve treatments also rarely last beyond 400 years - a Space Marine can hit that point easily without any need for them. Juvenants *could* let a Tempestor Prime live longer, but they will still lose effectiveness and ability, and they are still very squishy and relatively easy to kill compared to a Space Marine. A Space Marine won't lose any combat effectiveness over 400 years, and is noticeably harder to maim and kill.
Scions and Tempestor Prime being both can be centuries old without any problem. Thus experience is a moot point.
Can you give me a source for Scions and their commanders being centuries old and working at full operational efficiency?
Training is also a moot point considering that Scion training is about as difficult and rigorous as that of Space Marines.
Really? So how come Scions have: Lower Leadership Lower Weapon Skill Lower Initiative?
It involve real combat, starts from the age of 6, is given by experimented trainers and is composed of multiple deadly tests.
Which still creates inferior soldiers to Space Marines. They may have equal (or slightly worse) training than Astartes, but they don't have anything to compensate for the genetic enhancements.
Space Marines Captain are in the top 1 tier out of a 100 of all Space Marines. Tempestor Prime in the top 1 tier out of a 1000 Scions. Thus, in terms of proportion, there is a lot more Space Marine Captain than Tempestor Prime.
Absolutely not. Firstly, let's address if we're talking about skill, or rarity.
Skill: No. A Space Marine is worth multiple Scions - possibly around 3, higher if we're looking at other depictions of Astartes. Without weaponry and armour, it stacks further on the Space Marine's side. A Captain is one of the twelve finest men in his Chapter (Chapter Master and Chapter Champion), being better than all the other 988 Astartes, who may be Veterans, Champions, Sergeants, regular Battle Brothers (who can take on three time their number in Scions).
A Tempestor Prime (assuming that there is only one Prime per Regiment) is the strongest human out of 1000 human tier Scions. Elite as they are, there is little difference between Scion combat ability. Therefore, they are the strongest human out of 1000 other humans.
Seeing as a human is inherently weaker than an Astartes, it would stand to reason that a strong human is weaker than a strong Astartes, especially given the lack of scaling within Scion ranks.
Rarity: There are 1000 Chapters, with roughly 1000 Space Marines in them. Ten of these Space Marines are Captains. This means that 10 Captains times 1000 Chapters leaves us with 10000 Captains.
If we assume that there is only one Tempestor Prime per Regiment (which I find unlikely, given the way the army is built, but still), then we just have to count how many Scion regiments there are canonically. Canonically, there exists 6082 Scion Regiments, at least. And presuming that there are more than just 9 Regiments of Iotan Gorgonnes, or just 55 Regiments of Kappic Eagles, and more like the 133 Lambdan Lion Regiments, we can safely say that there could easily be far more than 10000 Regiments of Scions.
If there is just one Prime per Regiment, then that's still far more Primes than Captains.
Finally, Space Marine captain have little option of range weapons, amongst other thing, because they are expected to fight like feudal knights not like modern soldiers or Skirmshers.
And what ranged weapons does a Tempestor Prime have? Oh - pistols and a wide range of melee weaponry. No rifles or longer ranges weaponry canonically: CQC weapons. Not really like a modern army.
They lead from the front.
As is typical of pretty much EVERY army in 40k. Even your Scion leaders: if they were like a modern leader, they would be far behind friendly lines, directing the attack from afar. Not getting so close as to be in a challenge with the enemy leader.
40k embraces the idea of combats, of duels and leader fighting leader in the centre of the battleground. It's why practically every squad sergeant is armed with a pistol and sword rather than another rifle.
Tellion is a sniper. He uses no target aid since he doesn't have a power armor or a tactical helmet.
He does have a device on his eye that may be a targeter. And if I model my Tempestor Prime without a helmet or bionic eye, do I lose BS? Interesting...
He fires a heavily modifiedbolter which is probably a much more difficult weapon to fire than a Hot-Shot Lasgun which has almost no recoil and is isn't affected as much by various battlefield condition like heavy rain, wind or intense gravity.
So how come a hot-shot lasgun has far lower range than a bolter, let alone Telion's? And what if my Tempestor is holding a bolt pistol or plasma pistol? Do I lose my BS bonus? Does that mean that if I take a meltagun or plasma gun on my Scions, they lose a point of BS because they aren't hot-shots?
I would say that Tellion is better than a Tempestor Prime, but that a scale of 1 to 10 doesn't allow us to represent it faithfully.
Agreed. I believe a Captain is a better shot than a Tempestor Prime, but BS4 would be too low for a Tempestor Prime. BS5 will do.
Yet I do think that a man or woman specialised in range combat will be better with time than a man specialised in close combat in range combat, especially if the former has as much time and comes form a bigger pool of recruits than the later.
The former is also more likely to be killed off (leaving a "recruit" with less experience), suffers from human aging and eyesight problems which cannot be stymied fully by juvenant treatments, and isn't genetically engineered to beyond normal human levels.
A Captain has also served in every aspect of the Space Marine Chapter - they are experts in every field of combat because they have advanced through each one and survived. They have no specialisation beyond leading their company.
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Your Tempestor Prime? Not so. There are possibly more Tempestor Primes in the galaxy than there are probably Space Marines, let alone Captains. Just calculating the bare minimum of canon Scion regiments that exist (found on Lexicanum), we get 6082 Tempestor Primes, assuming of course that there is at least one Tempestor Prime per Scion Regiment. That may be higher. And that's just the canon ones recorded - and I'm fairly sure that there are more than 9 Regiments of Iotan Gryphonnes.
So, I think it's reasonable to assume that we could easily have a LOT of Tempestor Primes running around.
And yet your "average" unnamed Tempestor Prime, at peak human efficiency and with possible targeters, is as good a shot as the best recorded Space Marine marksman, who has all the Astartes implants, equipment of worthy of a First Founding Chapter, and centuries of experience? Sorry, I don't buy it.
We can eliminate targeters as a reasoning, because Space Marines would have targeters of a similar quality, if not better, so the only determining factor comes to skill. Skill which a Space Marine, an already peak-performance human before boosted to demi-godly tier with implants, has honed over centuries. Compared to just the peak-performance human and decades of experience?
Where I do see some problem is that it implies that Space Marine live longer than humans which is dubious at best. Rejuvenat treatment is common amongst nobles and officers. Scions and Tempestor Prime being both can be centuries old without any problem. Thus experience is a moot point. Training is also a moot point considering that Scion training is about as difficult and rigorous as that of Space Marines. It involve real combat, starts from the age of 6, is given by experimented trainers and is composed of multiple deadly tests. Space Marines Captain are in the top 1 tier out of a 100 of all Space Marines. Tempestor Prime in the top 1 tier out of a 1000 Scions. Thus, in terms of proportion, there is a lot more Space Marine Captain than Tempestor Prime. Finally, Space Marine captain have little option of range weapons, amongst other thing, because they are expected to fight like feudal knights not like modern soldiers or Skirmshers. They lead from the front. Tellion is a sniper. He uses no target aid since he doesn't have a power armor or a tactical helmet. He fires a bolter which is probably a much more difficult weapon to fire than a Hot-Shot Lasgun which has almost no recoil and is isn't affected as much by various battlefield condition like heavy rain, wind or intense gravity. I would say that Tellion is better than a Tempestor Prime, but that a scale of 1 to 10 doesn't allow us to represent it faithfully. Yet I do think that a man or woman specialised in range combat will be better with time than a man specialised in close combat in range combat, especially if the former has as much time and comes form a bigger pool of recruits than the later.
Dubious at best? You're not serious are you?
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MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Your Tempestor Prime? Not so. There are possibly more Tempestor Primes in the galaxy than there are probably Space Marines, let alone Captains. Just calculating the bare minimum of canon Scion regiments that exist (found on Lexicanum), we get 6082 Tempestor Primes, assuming of course that there is at least one Tempestor Prime per Scion Regiment. That may be higher. And that's just the canon ones recorded - and I'm fairly sure that there are more than 9 Regiments of Iotan Gryphonnes.
So, I think it's reasonable to assume that we could easily have a LOT of Tempestor Primes running around.
And yet your "average" unnamed Tempestor Prime, at peak human efficiency and with possible targeters, is as good a shot as the best recorded Space Marine marksman, who has all the Astartes implants, equipment of worthy of a First Founding Chapter, and centuries of experience? Sorry, I don't buy it.
We can eliminate targeters as a reasoning, because Space Marines would have targeters of a similar quality, if not better, so the only determining factor comes to skill. Skill which a Space Marine, an already peak-performance human before boosted to demi-godly tier with implants, has honed over centuries. Compared to just the peak-performance human and decades of experience?
Where I do see some problem is that it implies that Space Marine live longer than humans which is dubious at best. Rejuvenat treatment is common amongst nobles and officers. Scions and Tempestor Prime being both can be centuries old without any problem. Thus experience is a moot point. Training is also a moot point considering that Scion training is about as difficult and rigorous as that of Space Marines. It involve real combat, starts from the age of 6, is given by experimented trainers and is composed of multiple deadly tests. Space Marines Captain are in the top 1 tier out of a 100 of all Space Marines. Tempestor Prime in the top 1 tier out of a 1000 Scions. Thus, in terms of proportion, there is a lot more Space Marine Captain than Tempestor Prime. Finally, Space Marine captain have little option of range weapons, amongst other thing, because they are expected to fight like feudal knights not like modern soldiers or Skirmshers. They lead from the front. Tellion is a sniper. He uses no target aid since he doesn't have a power armor or a tactical helmet. He fires a bolter which is probably a much more difficult weapon to fire than a Hot-Shot Lasgun which has almost no recoil and is isn't affected as much by various battlefield condition like heavy rain, wind or intense gravity. I would say that Tellion is better than a Tempestor Prime, but that a scale of 1 to 10 doesn't allow us to represent it faithfully. Yet I do think that a man or woman specialised in range combat will be better with time than a man specialised in close combat in range combat, especially if the former has as much time and comes form a bigger pool of recruits than the later.
Dubious at best? You're not serious are you?
Like I said earlier, the oldest I've heard for a still largely functional human was 120yrs.
That was a Lord General whom had advanced significantly higher in the ranks than the head of a Regiment.
It is *highly* dubious that mere officers are kept going for *centuries* which is btw the average age of an Astartes. Whom is much harder and tougher to kill than a human, even if both have the same biological life span.
Astartes most certainly have a greater biological lifespan. The Salamander dude that was fused to a chair for 10000 years proves that because it took THAT long to die via atrophy.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Bobthehero wrote: What sort of enhancements are used to make Vindicares BS8, I could see the Imperium offering something similar but not as efficient to their Primes
Got a source for that?
Because there's just as much reason those same enhancements could be offered to Space Marines.
Maybe they're not avaiable to the SM's due to all their previous changes, just being female already prevents someone from becoming a SM, so perhaps they are not compatible.
And no source, just theory. Dawn of War had some sort of muscle enhancements upgrade for the Kasrkins and the D99 detachement has some genetically enhanced guardsmen (making some of their stats similar to SM's)
Well, I got two suggestions to fix the Tempestor Prime problem since the idea of a normal human hero being almost as good as a Space Marine hero is very controversial.
I can propose two stats change. The first one is the following and keeps him as a badass sharp shot, but a much weaker close combat fighter.
The second profile is better. Seriously it makes no sense for a Tempestor Prime to be BS6.
The only models with a BS6+ are either century-old post-human veterans (Telion), humans that have undergone intense modification & training to make them the peak of human physical form (members of the Officio Assassinorum), Daemon Heralds of the gods of War and Excess/Perfection (Khorne/Slaanesh Heralds), Greater Daemons and century to millennia old Eldar who have spent a large part of their life mastering the arts of war and combat.
A Daemon Prince isn't even BS6.
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JNAProductions wrote: More than that, BS 6 is around a 3% improvement over BS 5. Do you care that much about BS 6 that you're willing to twist fluff to make it fit?
I do find the idea of a marksmen hero much more attractive because of its originality than the more powerful and more standard "swordsmen" hero build. Plus, in terms of pure fluff, I can totally see a human marksmen besting a Space Marine champion who mostly specialise in close combat in ranged accuracy. I know it doesn't sit right with most people to have a normal human with a superior stats than a Space Marine and I totally get why. Space Marines are supposed to be better than human at everything (except maybe looking pretty in a dress or fitting in tight spaces). I don't think that the Tempestor Prime should be better at shooting than a Space Marine captain because of some sort of superior talent, but because one specialised in a form of combat while the other did not and despite this, the captain is still almost as good shot as a specialist marksmen who is at the peak of human efficiency, with specialised targetting gear. Space Marines hero would be significantly better marksmen than Scions hero if they weren't so busy turning themselves into mighty swordsmen. Plus, a ballistic skill of 6 explain nicely the very powerul Special Rule Weapon Master.
Considering the overwhelming desire of people on the thread, I did change officialy for the stats of the Tempestor prime for that of the second profile. In the end, the player desire should always overule that of the designer. I hope you will stay around to judge the other units stats since help is always appreciate, especially those of the naysayer.
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