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Local Sauce

Good. Hopefully this sends a message. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

*20 and 15 years each, with 13 and 6 to serve.

Edit: corrected my math fail

Upon their release, McClain ordered them to be permanently banished from Douglas County.

We actually have exile as a punishment?

Not saying they didn't more than earn it. Holy crap. That's some messed-up stuff.

I remember this.

Whats funny is guy convicted is Jose Torres, not exactly a Son of the Confederacy descendant...

You ever wonder what goes through people's minds when they do these kinds of things? At what point does the thought enter their head and they think "yeah, that's a good life choice"?

I love the "thats not me" plea too...well, if it's not you...why did you go out on two different days and...you know...do the thing?

Dumbasses.

Spinner wrote:

Upon their release, McClain ordered them to be permanently banished from Douglas County.

We actually have exile as a punishment?

Not saying they didn't more than earn it. Holy crap. That's some messed-up stuff.

My reaction too. Exile them to Utah! Just like in the good old days.

Frazzled wrote:I remember this.

Whats funny is guy convicted is Jose Torres, not exactly a Son of the Confederacy descendant...

I missed that little tidbit. No way, Jose!

Vaktathi wrote:You ever wonder what goes through people's minds when they do these kinds of things? At what point does the thought enter their head and they think "yeah, that's a good life choice"?

I love the "thats not me" plea too...well, if it's not you...why did you go out on two different days and...you know...do the thing?

Dumbasses.

Apparently their FB was full of Klan related BS. As to their motivations, well, we all want to belong to something, and nothing brings people together like a mutual (irrational) hatred of the other.

28 years? Was anybody physically hurt in this incident?

Obviously these are awful people, but you can literally murder someone and receive a lighter sentence.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
28 years? Was anybody physically hurt in this incident?

This is basically the same thing as burning a cross in someone's yard. Not exactly a minor thing. Plus, pulling a shotgun and threatening people with it?

Obviously these are awful people, but you can literally murder someone and receive a lighter sentence.

Believe it's more a "make a point" case, but I don't feel sorry for these people.

It was 20 years with 13 before parole and 15 years and 6 before parole, but also was for multiple different charges, not just one.

I am all for heavy sentences for douchebags like these, but 20 years does seem really quite excessive...

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
28 years? Was anybody physically hurt in this incident?

Obviously these are awful people, but you can literally murder someone and receive a lighter sentence.

That eight-year-old's going to need some pretty serious therapy, I would think.

He sentenced Torres to 20 years, with 13 to serve in prison. Norton was given 15 years, with six to serve.

Not exactly 28 years, but I won't complain.

I do think I got my Dakka Bingo with this thread though.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I am all for heavy sentences for douchebags like these, but 20 years does seem really quite excessive...

Relevant:

Kayla Norton and Jose Torres, who have three children, were part of a larger group in July 2015 called Respect the Flag. Their convoy of trucks, flying the Confederate battle flag, pulled up to a birthday party for an 8-year-old black child, where they threatened the family and yelled racial slurs. At one point, Torres pulled out a shotgun and pointed it at the family....


Douglas County Assistant District Attorney David Emadi detailed how the group had gone on the drunken rampage through Douglas and Paulding counties on July 24 and July 25, 2015, in pickup trucks laden with Confederate battle flags.

Emadi said the group threatened black motorists, yelled at them and walked up to one of their cars with a gun. They also threatened African-American shoppers at a Paulding County Wal-Mart and at a convenience store.

Pretty extreme stuff. I think they deserve the full sentence, and hopefully this sends a message to other racists.

No problem with this at all.

I did do a double-take about that exile... that's interesting.

Id say they deserved it...

Maybe send a message to other douchebags that being a douchebag is going to be punished.

They may learn.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I am all for heavy sentences for douchebags like these, but 20 years does seem really quite excessive...

Relevant:

Kayla Norton and Jose Torres, who have three children, were part of a larger group in July 2015 called Respect the Flag. Their convoy of trucks, flying the Confederate battle flag, pulled up to a birthday party for an 8-year-old black child, where they threatened the family and yelled racial slurs. At one point, Torres pulled out a shotgun and pointed it at the family....


Douglas County Assistant District Attorney David Emadi detailed how the group had gone on the drunken rampage through Douglas and Paulding counties on July 24 and July 25, 2015, in pickup trucks laden with Confederate battle flags.

Emadi said the group threatened black motorists, yelled at them and walked up to one of their cars with a gun. They also threatened African-American shoppers at a Paulding County Wal-Mart and at a convenience store.

Pretty extreme stuff. I think they deserve the full sentence, and hopefully this sends a message to other racists.

Indeed. I am surprised they didn't get shot. I think this is the same crew where one redneck three toother rear ended another Darwin award contestant's pickup, right on camera.

Now, lets remember, there was a time when this kind of crap was common, and worse of course. We are dealing with terrorists and they should be treated as such.

 Frazzled wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I am all for heavy sentences for douchebags like these, but 20 years does seem really quite excessive...

Relevant:

Kayla Norton and Jose Torres, who have three children, were part of a larger group in July 2015 called Respect the Flag. Their convoy of trucks, flying the Confederate battle flag, pulled up to a birthday party for an 8-year-old black child, where they threatened the family and yelled racial slurs. At one point, Torres pulled out a shotgun and pointed it at the family....


Douglas County Assistant District Attorney David Emadi detailed how the group had gone on the drunken rampage through Douglas and Paulding counties on July 24 and July 25, 2015, in pickup trucks laden with Confederate battle flags.

Emadi said the group threatened black motorists, yelled at them and walked up to one of their cars with a gun. They also threatened African-American shoppers at a Paulding County Wal-Mart and at a convenience store.

Pretty extreme stuff. I think they deserve the full sentence, and hopefully this sends a message to other racists.

Indeed. I am surprised they didn't get shot. I think this is the same crew where one redneck three toother rear ended another Darwin award contestant's pickup, right on camera.

Now, lets remember, there was a time when this kind of crap was common, and worse of course. We are dealing with terrorists and they should be treated as such.

I'll be honest, I hate the Confederate flag, but there's a big difference between displaying it and using it to threaten/harass others. Plenty of people fly it in Colorado, but they don't drive up on an 8 year old's birthday party and point guns at people.

Yeah, I like the ACW: Second Place Finishers Pride Club. It's a quick and easy way to identify people not to bother talking to.

 jreilly89 wrote:
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 Frazzled wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I am all for heavy sentences for douchebags like these, but 20 years does seem really quite excessive...

Relevant:

Kayla Norton and Jose Torres, who have three children, were part of a larger group in July 2015 called Respect the Flag. Their convoy of trucks, flying the Confederate battle flag, pulled up to a birthday party for an 8-year-old black child, where they threatened the family and yelled racial slurs. At one point, Torres pulled out a shotgun and pointed it at the family....


Douglas County Assistant District Attorney David Emadi detailed how the group had gone on the drunken rampage through Douglas and Paulding counties on July 24 and July 25, 2015, in pickup trucks laden with Confederate battle flags.

Emadi said the group threatened black motorists, yelled at them and walked up to one of their cars with a gun. They also threatened African-American shoppers at a Paulding County Wal-Mart and at a convenience store.

Pretty extreme stuff. I think they deserve the full sentence, and hopefully this sends a message to other racists.

Indeed. I am surprised they didn't get shot. I think this is the same crew where one redneck three toother rear ended another Darwin award contestant's pickup, right on camera.

Now, lets remember, there was a time when this kind of crap was common, and worse of course. We are dealing with terrorists and they should be treated as such.

I'll be honest, I hate the Confederate flag, but there's a big difference between displaying it and using it to threaten/harass others. Plenty of people fly it in Colorado, but they don't drive up on an 8 year old's birthday party and point guns at people.

Exactly. This is intimidation and terrorism. Same thing the Klan did for 150 years, just a less violent version of it.

 feeder wrote:
Local Sauce

Good. Hopefully this sends a message. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I concur.



Hell of a way to show Southern Pride and heritage. You don't go around threatening people or scaring the hell out of kids to get your point across.



Dumbass punks are getting exactly what they deserve.

Lol, these people confuse the hell out of me. Why fly the flag of the losing team?

It is like my cousin, who posts how proud he is to be a veteran and all these things about how people should go to prison for disrespecting the American flag. Then turns around and posts pictures of the confederate battle flag and how the south shall rise again. Lolwut?

 d-usa wrote:

He sentenced Torres to 20 years, with 13 to serve in prison. Norton was given 15 years, with six to serve.

Not exactly 28 years, but I won't complain.

I do think I got my Dakka Bingo with this thread though.

There's a point where punishment seems excessive, even when it's against people that rightly deserves punishment. Each of those individuals deserves multiple years in prison. I doubt tho that issuing 15/6 to Norton would've served any different the purpose of justice than serving her the 4 or 2 the other ones got. It doesn't sound like she was armed or issued any more death threats than the 2 others we know were convicted.

I don't care for racists gaks one bit, but it is possible to argue that crass and criminal stupidity isn't quite exactly the same as terroristic hatred. And yeah, the difference may be microscopic from the point of view of someone who doesn't hold quite as moronic beliefs as that, but it should somewhat matter in sentencing. Torres had two whole days (holy gak there are stupid cops out there) to pull that trigger, and he didn't. I guess I don't really see what more good it can do to put him behind bars for more than, I don't know, 6-8 years?

Then again, maybe exceptionnally harsh sentencing is necessary given the social tensions in Georgia. Frak do reading these things makes me love Montreal.

 whembly wrote:
No problem with this at all.

I did do a double-take about that exile... that's interesting.

I don't know the racial makeup of the county. If it's a largely African-American county then it does make some sense that their being in the county area can be. . . problematic, given these actions

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 whembly wrote:
No problem with this at all.

I did do a double-take about that exile... that's interesting.

I don't know the racial makeup of the county. If it's a largely African-American county then it does make some sense that their being in the county area can be. . . problematic, given these actions

People use such orders similar in UK.
They relocate people to break them from those who support criminal action or views. Your trying to prevent enabling.
Not that jail won t do that.

In this case I can see why judge may consider it.

jreilly89 wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
28 years? Was anybody physically hurt in this incident?

This is basically the same thing as burning a cross in someone's yard. Not exactly a minor thing. Plus, pulling a shotgun and threatening people with it?

Obviously these are awful people, but you can literally murder someone and receive a lighter sentence.

Believe it's more a "make a point" case, but I don't feel sorry for these people.

Iron_Captain wrote:I am all for heavy sentences for douchebags like these, but 20 years does seem really quite excessive...

Yeah I agree, in Georgia 2nd degree murder is 10-30 years. Not sad to see them be put away but the duration seems a bit over the top.

I think they're horrible human beings of the worst caliber, but yeah. 28 years seems extreme for what they did. 10-15 seems more reasonable taking into account a very serious desire to dissuade repeats. This stuff would have been common place in Georgia 50 years ago, so it should be harshly punished to prevent a resurgence but the given sentence seems excessive. EDIT: Then again, I don't think getting mixed into the extremely racist prison culture of the US is going to remotely improve their disposition...

EDIT: Sorry, misunderstood something and upon rereading my post was based off that. Ignore this post.

I have edited my math fail. Mr Racist Gakbag has been sentenced to 20 years with 13 to serve and Ms Racist Gakbag has 15 years with 6 to serve. Don't know how I counted 28 from those numbers.

@ Kovnilk Obama

It doesn't sound like she was armed or issued any more death threats than the 2 others we know were convicted.

The article I read, she loaded the shot gun and gave it to Jose. So she was a lot more involved than shouting nasty things.

Also, the other two pled out, these two took it to trial. Looks like that was a bad idea!

Yeah, I am sure they were offered a much better plea and thought they could fight it. A good pop after trial is kind of expected. Here in Texas, threatening with a firearm is good for 2-20 (5-99 if shown to be a racial motive) and two different instances mean they could stack (4-40 or 10-life), so not an unreasonable sentence from my POV. You add on the racial threats and general terribleness of the defendants and it looks like probably a really bad idea to try this one.

I agree with Frazzled, they are lucky they didn't get shot.

 jmurph wrote:
Yeah, I am sure they were offered a much better plea and thought they could fight it. A good pop after trial is kind of expected. Here in Texas, threatening with a firearm is goof for 2-20 (5-99 if shown to be a racial motive) and two different instances mean they could stack (4-40 or 10-life), so not an unreasonable sentence from my POV. You add on the racial threats and general terribleness of the defendants and it looks like probably a really bad idea to try this one.

I agree with Frazzled, they are lucky they didn't get shot.

So they turned a few years into 18... They obviously went against there lawyers advice.