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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 04:02:18
Subject: Another complicated soulburst question reguarding POTMS
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Been Around the Block
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So now that the FAQ is out and it seems like almost all the annoying soulburst questions are answered, here is another one for you guys:
I was watching a game of Space marines VS Ynnari. It was space marine player's turn. He used the land raider with one weapon and killed a unit, thus triggering soulburst. He wanted to then use POTMS against another unit before the soulburst could go off. What is the proper order of operations in this case? Does the land raider finish firing all of it's weapons first, or does the soulburst happen first since it finished firing all of one weapon type? Or do they both go at the same time, so it becomes Active Player decision?
Thanks in advance
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 05:26:01
Subject: Another complicated soulburst question reguarding POTMS
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
Ankh Morpork
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Chosen Soulburst actions are all performed immediately whenever a unit is destroyed and a unit is picked to make that Soulburst action. In this case 'whenever' means "at every or any time that" so I would say that once the last model is removed your opportunity to choose to make a Soulburst action is then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 10:40:19
Subject: Another complicated soulburst question reguarding POTMS
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tricky. Vehicles with POTMS still fire all their weapons at once, and should announce which weapons are targeting which units before any are fired. It therefore seems logical to me that you finish firing the vehicle before using Soulburst.
I'm not sure, but is there any precedent/ruling for what happens if you fire one gun first in a unit, kill an enemy to activate Soulburst, but still have weapons left to fire? For example, a SM Tac squad fires a flamer first, clipping the last survivor of a squad as well as the models in their primary target. When does Soulburst activate?
"Immediately" is an annoying word in rules terms as its meaning is a little unclear when you have a whole bunch of things that are supposed to be happening at the same time.
This is yet another example of the utterly appalling playtesting (or lack thereof) that went into the whole Soulburst rule, BTW. I'm beginning to doubt GW actually played more than 2 games before releasing the Codex. Given how broken it is, if I was feeling particularly snarky I'd probably advise anyone to use the rule that's most beneficial to the Eldar player. That seems to be GW's intent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 13:34:14
Subject: Another complicated soulburst question reguarding POTMS
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Dakka Veteran
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I was playing the conservative approach of having units finish their shooting attacks first, but I changed my mind for two reasons.
First, if I have a unit of tacticals shoot a melta gun and the shot kills an apothecary, I don't let the rest of the squad take FNP saves against the bolter shots.
Second, the FAQ does show that the soulburst action interrupts close combat attacks at the initiative step, so if a unit doesn't complete all of its attacks in melee first it doesn't seem like it would complete all its attacks in the shooting phase first either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 18:53:33
Subject: Another complicated soulburst question reguarding POTMS
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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So the order would be this: Landraider declares all targets, then resolves each weapon by rolling hits and wounds for each type of weapon. If any of the weapons trigger a Soulburst, the Ynnair play resolves that immediately. Then continue resolving the LR This could actually deny the LR from resolving a weapon if the unit it declared a shot against Soulbursts into combat. But since all shots had to be declared first, those shots would be lost. Example: LR declares both Lascannons to shoot a Wave Serpent and PotMS its Assault cannon at the Harlequins near the Serpent. If the Lascannons destroy the Serpent, the Harlies can then Soulburst, either moving out of the Assault cannons range, or charging into an enemy unit nearby. In either case, the Harlies ar eno longer a valid target and the Assault cannon does not fire. -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 19:30:48
Subject: Another complicated soulburst question reguarding POTMS
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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How do you figure that? They didn't cover that in the Faq and far as I could tell. They just have the mention of a Nova power - which the explicitly stated - to finish the nova power before the soul-burst took place.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 19:58:13
Subject: Another complicated soulburst question reguarding POTMS
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you fire a weapon with Gets Hot on a vehicle, and it rolls a 1, takes away your last hull point and turns you into a wreck, would you let any weapons that hadn't been fired yet to shoot?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 20:08:30
Subject: Another complicated soulburst question reguarding POTMS
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Xenomancers wrote:How do you figure that? They didn't cover that in the Faq and far as I could tell. They just have the mention of a Nova power - which the explicitly stated - to finish the nova power before the soul-burst took place.
A Nova is a single attack that hasn't been fully resolved yet. In my example, the Lascannon "attack" has indeed been fully resolved Its the same situation if you have a WK really close to an Imperial Knight and choose to split fire 1 D shot at the Knight and the other somewhere else. If you resolve the first D-shot and it super blows up the Knight, causing it to go nova (or whatever its called) and that explosion in turn kills the WK, you do not get to resolve the WK's other shot....cuz it's dead -
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