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I was looking at a situation and wondering if it is possible to be able to hit allies of convenience with flamer weapons in certain situations. Specifically:

Enemy (E)
Allies of Convenience (AoC)
Flamers (F)

So F declares E as being their target. F's flamer template covers some models in the AoC unit. Is this allowed?


Reading the template rules it doesn't violate the restriction that you can't touch friendly models with the template. So it looks legitimate as far as I can tell.

As to why I want to do this, I'm fishing for a boost to my FnP from warpflame by sacrificing some "lesser" models.

Allies of Convenience cannot be "shot".

So does this fall under the definition of "shot"?

I'd say it does, so it is not allowed.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Allies of Convenience cannot be "shot".

So does this fall under the definition of "shot"?

I'd say it does, so it is not allowed.

Does it though? If a blast scatters and hits a AoC unit do they ignore it because they can't be shot? They were never determined to be the target of the shooting in either case.

JakeSiren wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Allies of Convenience cannot be "shot".

So does this fall under the definition of "shot"?

I'd say it does, so it is not allowed.

Does it though? If a blast scatters and hits a AoC unit do they ignore it because they can't be shot? They were never determined to be the target of the shooting in either case.

Blasts can hit friendly units so not a good example

JakeSiren wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Allies of Convenience cannot be "shot".

So does this fall under the definition of "shot"?

I'd say it does, so it is not allowed.

Does it though? If a blast scatters and hits a AoC unit do they ignore it because they can't be shot? They were never determined to be the target of the shooting in either case.

You can scatter and hit the unit that fired the weapon. Very bad example.

You can´t purposefully target your own models unless there is a rule that allows this such as renegades HQ.

JakeSiren wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Allies of Convenience cannot be "shot".

So does this fall under the definition of "shot"?

I'd say it does, so it is not allowed.

Does it though? If a blast scatters and hits a AoC unit do they ignore it because they can't be shot? They were never determined to be the target of the shooting in either case.

But you're not allowed to initially place the blast marker over any models in the AoC unit.

Hmmm.

AoC units are considered to be enemies, but ones that cannot be shot. Then again, template doesn't allow you to place the template over friendly models, which AoC technically aren't...

But it's still shooting a unit you're not allowed to shoot.

 doctortom wrote:
But it's still shooting a unit you're not allowed to shoot.

Good point. But are you actually targeting/shooting another unit, and an enemy unit happens to be in the way? Remember you must cover as much of the target unit as possible, so this is kind of rare

No, you cannot. This is the same as placing a blast template.