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They're both fictional characters with great story lines

 Rolsheen wrote:
They're both fictional characters with great story lines

I would say Jesus was a real person.. But not truly the son of God, but like Muhammad a good religious leader

Moses on the other hand.. I would say he was likely fictional, because except for the bible there was no evidence of the Egyptians having enslaved Jews

GodDamUser wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
They're both fictional characters with great story lines

I would say Jesus was a real person.. But not truly the son of God, but like Muhammad a good religious leader

Moses on the other hand.. I would say he was likely fictional, because except for the bible there was no evidence of the Egyptians having enslaved Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

Interesting about the Israelites never being Egyptian slaves though. I have always just accepted that as historical fact.

Hrm. I think it's easier to talk about their differences.

Jesus liked to talk about his father. The Emperor is the father.

Jesus chased the money lenders out of the temple. The Emperor set up the high lords of Terra.

Jesus was against violence. The Emperor used devastating weapons of the future to build an Empire.

Jesus could call down an army of otherworldly beings. The Emperor built superhuman beings and set them upon the galaxy.

Jesus said his kingdom was an extradimensional realm. The Emperor said his kingdom was all he surveyed in this one.

Maybe the real parallel is between Jesus and Magnus?

 techsoldaten wrote:

Jesus was against violence. The Emperor used devastating weapons of the future to build an Empire.

Jesus could call down an army of otherworldly beings. The Emperor built superhuman beings and set them upon the galaxy.

The top line is Incorrect Jesus wasn't against violence, the 'New testament' conveniently removed a lot of the material of the Old to portray Jesus in a more peaceful light.

With the other line how are they that different?

 Ginjitzu wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
They're both fictional characters with great story lines

I would say Jesus was a real person.. But not truly the son of God, but like Muhammad a good religious leader

Moses on the other hand.. I would say he was likely fictional, because except for the bible there was no evidence of the Egyptians having enslaved Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

Interesting about the Israelites never being Egyptian slaves though. I have always just accepted that as historical fact.

I would say you still haven't looked very hard for answers.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.713849

I don't think this theory is that far-fetched.

The Emperor's goal has always been the perpetuation of the human race. It has been stated many times that he can see possibilities of the future, and that every action he takes is to ensure that the human race can continue to exist.

Just because he's a militant atheist, and even assuming he always was one, doesn't mean he couldn't use religion as a tool to try and unify humanity. It's not hard to imagine him seeing a future where Christianity united all of Earth, so he posed as a messiah figure to push towards this direction. But it wasn't the only possible outcome; we are constantly told in 40k lore that no future is certain, so in this case the future that occurred was one where the Emperor's plan failed.

As the millennia passed, more and more of the Emperor's plans failed, to the point where he decided to reveal himself and take direct control of humanity's fate himself. Even then, it's possible that none of his plans have failed, and that this has been his plan all along - who knows?

It's fun to think about, and not altogether unrealistic in the context of the 40k universe.

 amanita wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
They're both fictional characters with great story lines

I would say Jesus was a real person.. But not truly the son of God, but like Muhammad a good religious leader

Moses on the other hand.. I would say he was likely fictional, because except for the bible there was no evidence of the Egyptians having enslaved Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

Interesting about the Israelites never being Egyptian slaves though. I have always just accepted that as historical fact.

I would say you still haven't looked very hard for answers.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.713849

It is interesting both articles linked are from the same Jewish news site...

I learned about the lack of slaved jews evidence from a random documentary I was watching on the bible ironically by a believer also a historian, that was making a point at pointing at what was fact and not from the bible, and explaining the educational/political reasons for various stories from said bible

IIRC the way back ago lore, he was actually almost all important religious figures in history. His goal was to try and make humanity not crap and live by a message of love and peace which backfired on him.

GodDamUser wrote:

 amanita wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

Interesting about the Israelites never being Egyptian slaves though. I have always just accepted that as historical fact.

I would say you still haven't looked very hard for answers.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.713849

It is interesting both articles linked are from the same Jewish news site...

I learned about the lack of slaved jews evidence from a random documentary I was watching on the bible ironically by a believer also a historian, that was making a point at pointing at what was fact and not from the bible, and explaining the educational/political reasons for various stories from said bible

Actually, the mistake is mine. From the article you posted Amanita, it seems "semites/hebrews" were certainly used as slaves in Egypt, but the evidence for them practicing Judaism seems to be the missing piece. I was using "Jews" & "Israelites" interchangeably, which appears to be incorrect. My apologies.

But getting back on topic, I prefer to think that Biggy was never any famous historical figure, but instead, was always hanging around important social circles, quietly influencing said figures. The kind of guy you'd see on the fringes of old grainy photos of famous generals or political leaders, but to whom no reference is ever made, or for whom no document of his precise identity exists.

For something different, I liked the Theory that Malcadore was really the Emperor, and the Big Guy, was just a figure head.

They each have a Dan writing their storylines. Dan Brown for Jesus and Dan Abnett for the Emperor LOL

Is the Emperor a son of a Roman soldier? If he is, then yes.
But he isn't. Emperor is millenia older, but if we go to hypothetical levels, Jesus could have been an reincarnation of the Emperor.
Is it even supported by the fluff, as the emperor has been reincarnating as various leaders through the course of human history.