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Yo guys im still relatively bad at army buildiing atm so sorry about the influx of army list posts ive made
Right so far this is my list

HQ: 255 points
Cypher
Librarian (Monster slayer of Caliban, Terminator armor, level 2 psyker, Melta bombs)

Troops: 495 points
3 X tactical squad ( 3 veteran sergeants, 1 heavy bolter, 1 missile launcher with flakk, 1 melta gun)
1 X devastator squad (2 plasma cannons)

Elites: 250 points
1 X terminator squad (Power sword / storm bolter sergeant, 2 storm bolter / power fist, 1 Storm bolter / chain fist / cyclone missle, 1 Assualt cannon)

Im just wondering how you guys think this list will perform as a fallen angels list, i dont know what im up against so ive tried to stay general and last i own no vehicles what so ever currently so thats why there is no vehicles in this list
Thanks for any advice guys really appreciate it

Edit: I know hes taking a flyer in his list

Honestly, I think you would probably be best served by just playing your game, and seeing how it goes.

What other models do you have access to? That might be helpful to know.

 Marmatag wrote:
Honestly, I think you would probably be best served by just playing your game, and seeing how it goes.

What other models do you have access to? That might be helpful to know.

My models i have so far are:
Tactical marines : 19 ( 16 bolters, 3 unbuilt)
Assault marines: 5 (1 with power sword/plasma pistol - 4 with chain sword/bolter pistol) all 5 have jump packs
Heavy marines: 5 (1 heavy bolter, 4 plasma cannons)
Special marines: 1 (Plasma cannon)
Terminator marines: 10 (1 with lightning claws, 1 assault cannon, 2 stormbolter/power fist, 1 storm bolter/chainfist) (The other 5 are currently not built suggestions welcome)
1 interrogator chaplain / Chaplain (however you guys want to run him)
1 Bellial (Cant use since its a fallen army)

Okay so the flier will be tough for you.

If the flier has a leadership value, have your librarian roll on telepathy and take the primaris power. It doesn't roll to hit. You roll 3D6 and subtract the units leadership and inflict that many wounds.

Do you know what army he is playing? that would be helpful.

 Marmatag wrote:
Okay so the flier will be tough for you.

If the flier has a leadership value, have your librarian roll on telepathy and take the primaris power. It doesn't roll to hit. You roll 3D6 and subtract the units leadership and inflict that many wounds.

Do you know what army he is playing? that would be helpful.

It will most likely be Tau or orks, Hes more likely to play Tau though

I mean really it boils down to how friendly the game is. Most of your force is troops on foot, which would be greatly problematic in almost any scenario.

If you are interested in playing your marines as fallen, I would suggest taking the new detachment with Cypher and 1-3 units of fallen so they gain infiltrate. This will allow you to alpha strike with your marines so they don't get blown off the board while walking slowly across the table.

I forget the name of the formation and exact costs, and my book is at home.

Formation: The New Cypher Formation
1x Cypher
3x Units of fallen

I believe that comes out to about 500 points.

Then ally in your base marines as an allied detachment:

Formation: Space Marines of whatever faction you are allied detachment
HQ: Librarian (terminator armor + whatever else?)
Troop: Tac squad (85, missile launcher here)
Elite: terminator squad (250)

Put the librarian in with the terminators and deep strike them.

Use your infiltrate to get a nice alpha strike while protecting Cypher and the fallen. Keep a tack squad back to snipe his flyer when it arrives and also to hold an objective, ideally while staying in cover.

Are the fallen just regular marines, if so i can just proxy my standard marines as them?
if the fallen have their own model then i dont own any (unless i could proxy my marines?)

 Kalidris wrote:
Are the fallen just regular marines, if so i can just proxy my standard marines as them?
if the fallen have their own model then i dont own any (unless i could proxy my marines?)

Technically you'd have to proxy them, there are specific models available for purchase that are fallen. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/The-Fallen

They also can take a slightly varied list of upgrades. But if your guys just have boltguns it would be fine.

You really would want to have the latest supplement though if you're going to run them, so you can reference the rules. Or, at the very least, have a printout of battlescribe or something, so you can point to him and say "no, they DO have 4 toughness," when challenged.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Kalidris wrote:
Are the fallen just regular marines, if so i can just proxy my standard marines as them?
if the fallen have their own model then i dont own any (unless i could proxy my marines?)

Technically you'd have to proxy them, there are specific models available for purchase that are fallen. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/The-Fallen

They also can take a slightly varied list of upgrades. But if your guys just have boltguns it would be fine.

You really would want to have the latest supplement though if you're going to run them, so you can reference the rules. Or, at the very least, have a printout of battlescribe or something, so you can point to him and say "no, they DO have 4 toughness," when challenged.

Yeah they are normal bolter marines which i was planning to proxy them with (however i painted my dark angels in pre heresy so their colour scheme is identical to the fallen)

 Kalidris wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

 Kalidris wrote:
Are the fallen just regular marines, if so i can just proxy my standard marines as them?
if the fallen have their own model then i dont own any (unless i could proxy my marines?)

Technically you'd have to proxy them, there are specific models available for purchase that are fallen. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/The-Fallen

They also can take a slightly varied list of upgrades. But if your guys just have boltguns it would be fine.

You really would want to have the latest supplement though if you're going to run them, so you can reference the rules. Or, at the very least, have a printout of battlescribe or something, so you can point to him and say "no, they DO have 4 toughness," when challenged.

Yeah they are normal bolter marines which i was planning to proxy them with (however i painted my dark angels in pre heresy so their colour scheme is identical to the fallen)

I mean i would let you do it with no problems. Just make sure it's easy for me to tell them apart. Maybe put the non-fallen marines under an index card.

The fallen in the datasheet are Chaos Space Marine Chosen

This is good and bad. The good news is, they can kick ass and take 5 special weapons (plasma, melta or flamers mainly - though there is a 5 point power fist cheese option I wouldn't recommend in a friendly) on top of infiltrate. The bad news is, you don't have that many models. How friendly is your friend with what-you-see-is-what-you-get? They are all essentially veterans (2 attacks, higher leadership base) - but in the data slate have CSM-flavored upgrades.

Can we link blood of kittens here?
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2014/01/25/bok-reviews-dataslate-cypher-lord-fallen/

A unit of Chosen / Fallen starts at 90 for 5 models, can add 5 more (another 90) and take up to 5 special weapons - plus the Chosen Champion gets a pick or two on the specials chart. 10 chosen (180) + 5 meltaguns (50) would be 230 ... and you can keep adding. You could hit 1000 on 3 units...