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Does the Triumvirate Formation, the one with Bobby G., save rerolls apply to just the models from the formation? Or the whole army?

I think it's just the formation, but some people at my GW insist it's the whole army.

I haven't seen the Foramtion as yet, but I feel pretty safe saying that it only applies to the models in the formation.
To date, exactly ZERO formations, detachments, etc give bonuses to models that are not part of said formation/detachment.
At least not direct bonuses anyway.

I've got the rule right here. I can see why they might make that argument. The rule itself doesn't say the models can re-roll; it says 'you', meaning the player can re-roll a saving throw.

I think the Main Rulebook answers this though. Under Command Benefits: "This section of the Detachment lists any special rules or benefits that apply to some or all of the models in that Detachment". So it should only apply to the Triumvirate.

 Galef wrote:
I haven't seen the Foramtion as yet, but I feel pretty safe saying that it only applies to the models in the formation.
To date, exactly ZERO formations, detachments, etc give bonuses to models that are not part of said formation/detachment.
At least not direct bonuses anyway.

Well... No, not true. There's a SW formation where the Techpriest gives buffs to all friendly vehicles within 12", and the Triumvurate of the Imperium gives either Stubborn or Fearless to your whole army.

The rule is pretty clear.

Touched by Fate You can re-roll one failed saving throw each turn for each model from this detachment.

GS3, p. 130, emphasis mine.

There is a clear permission there - you can recoll one failed saving throw reach turn - for whom? - for each model from this detachment.

I guess if you want to be obtuse you could claim that "for each model from this detachment" is a convoluted way to say "three" or "as many as alive", but that seems really far-fetched.

Audustum wrote:
I've got the rule right here. I can see why they might make that argument. The rule itself doesn't say the models can re-roll; it says 'you', meaning the player can re-roll a saving throw.

I think the Main Rulebook answers this though. Under Command Benefits: "This section of the Detachment lists any special rules or benefits that apply to some or all of the models in that Detachment". So it should only apply to the Triumvirate.

Thank you-I really need a direct reference.

 Stephanius wrote:
The rule is pretty clear.

Touched by Fate You can re-roll one failed saving throw each turn for each model from this detachment.

GS3, p. 130, emphasis mine.

There is a clear permission there - you can recoll one failed saving throw reach turn - for whom? - for each model from this detachment.

I guess if you want to be obtuse you could claim that "for each model from this detachment" is a convoluted way to say "three" or "as many as alive", but that seems really far-fetched.

If this is the case, that formation is your primary detachment (if bobby G is your warlord) since it is a formation it is a detachment in it's own right.

In this case, it only applies to the formation itself cause the formation is a detachment, if you could add it to other detachments then it would proliferate to the main detachment because of how it's worded. But the formation itself does not come standard in any other formation

mchammadad wrote:

 Stephanius wrote:
The rule is pretty clear.

Touched by Fate You can re-roll one failed saving throw each turn for each model from this detachment.

GS3, p. 130, emphasis mine.

There is a clear permission there - you can recoll one failed saving throw reach turn - for whom? - for each model from this detachment.

I guess if you want to be obtuse you could claim that "for each model from this detachment" is a convoluted way to say "three" or "as many as alive", but that seems really far-fetched.

If this is the case, that formation is your primary detachment (if bobby G is your warlord) since it is a formation it is a detachment in it's own right.

In this case, it only applies to the formation itself cause the formation is a detachment, if you could add it to other detachments then it would proliferate to the main detachment because of how it's worded. But the formation itself does not come standard in any other formation

It would not "proliferate." It would still only apply to the detachment being granted the rule, in the same way that a Raptor Talon's benefits do not apply to a Chaos Warband simply because they are taken in the same mega-detachment.