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So was deciding what weapons to give my Acolytes and was looking at the Rock Cutter special rule

Snip: When a Model suffers one or more unsaved Wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Toughness test for each Wound Suffered or be removed from paly.


Now that got me thinking, Could this just insta kill Gulliman, with out him having a chance to get back up (since he is no longer there) or even insta kill a wraith knight?

I know it would be very unlikely as it would require a roll of 6 on the toughness test, but got me thinking at the same time

Toughness test is roll equal to or under the toughness value to pass. You'll never roll over a 6. so no.

Not sure on Guilliman, however the Wraithknight being a Gargantuan Creature has special immunity to remove from play effects.

 MattKing wrote:
Toughness test is roll equal to or under the toughness value to pass. You'll never roll over a 6. so no.

See I thought 6 was always a Fail

GodDamUser wrote:

 MattKing wrote:
Toughness test is roll equal to or under the toughness value to pass. You'll never roll over a 6. so no.

See I thought 6 was always a Fail

For Characteristic tests (not including Leadership tests) a roll of a natural 6 is an auto fail. This was how my Tyrannofex got sucked into a Monolith portal.

Robbie G would still be able to get back up on a 4+ next turn. It's any time he is slain so unless they FAQ remove from play as getting around the rule...

It'd be amazing to see since the Acolyte would be going last and Robbie gets a 3+ invul save

and FNP

But yeah just using Guilliman as a extreme case..

Because what I am really thinking of taking these for when I play Tau and Face Multiple riptides

While still not the best odds, it will be more useful than rock saws

Pretty sure Removed From Play ignores FNP and coming back to life abilities, but i may be behind the times. There was a distinction from Removed as a Casualty.

Ascalam wrote:Pretty sure Removed From Play ignores FNP and coming back to life abilities, but i may be behind the times. There was a distinction from Removed as a Casualty.

Feel No Pain only negates Wounds allocated to the model, it does not affect direct Remove From Play affects that do not have a Wound associated with them.

However, for rules in which it requires a Test before Remove From Play, we can look at the Helfrost ruling on the BRB Update for precedent in which the RFP only applies if FNP fails. The initial Wound basis has to be ID or Destroyer to automatically disallow the FNP roll.

That being said, remove from play is not a casualty. It would prevent him from potentially coming back next turn. He would be full gone in a single stroke IF you can get the wound, make it past the FNP and a roll of 6 on the test.

Not reliable. But it would work.

 Lance845 wrote:
That being said, remove from play is not a casualty. It would prevent him from potentially coming back next turn. He would be full gone in a single stroke IF you can get the wound, make it past the FNP and a roll of 6 on the test.

Not reliable. But it would work.

wasn't there an FAQ that said removed and casualty are the same thing?

 Formosa wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
That being said, remove from play is not a casualty. It would prevent him from potentially coming back next turn. He would be full gone in a single stroke IF you can get the wound, make it past the FNP and a roll of 6 on the test.

Not reliable. But it would work.

wasn't there an FAQ that said removed and casualty are the same thing?

Can't find anything in the rulebook FAQ from a brief glance. But if it doesn't count as a casualty, then you won't get Slay the Warlord or Kingslayer

 Quanar wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
That being said, remove from play is not a casualty. It would prevent him from potentially coming back next turn. He would be full gone in a single stroke IF you can get the wound, make it past the FNP and a roll of 6 on the test.

Not reliable. But it would work.

wasn't there an FAQ that said removed and casualty are the same thing?

Can't find anything in the rulebook FAQ from a brief glance. But if it doesn't count as a casualty, then you won't get Slay the Warlord or Kingslayer

He's not on the table at the end of the game so he's counted as slain. Otherwise nonsense like so and so sargent is my warlord, I don't have a model, he's removed from play, no warlord for you. I think everyone agrees that that is nonsense. Even on YMDC.

 Lance845 wrote:
That being said, remove from play is not a casualty. It would prevent him from potentially coming back next turn. He would be full gone in a single stroke IF you can get the wound, make it past the FNP and a roll of 6 on the test.

Not reliable. But it would work.

*ahem* From BRB > General Principles:

REMOVED AS A CASUALTY AND COMPLETELY DESTROYED
Models that are removed as casualties are removed from the table and placed to one side. When all of the models in a unit are removed as casualties, the unit is said to have been ‘completely destroyed’.

Models that are ‘removed from play’ by special rules or attacks are also considered to have been removed as casualties, as far as the game rules are concerned.

No FAQ is needed.

But Removed as Casualties isn't Remove from Play

This is basically the old 'Remove from Play' and 'Destroy' argument from MTG

GodDamUser wrote:
But Removed as Casualties isn't Remove from Play

This is basically the old 'Remove from Play' and 'Destroy' argument from MTG

This....is actually more complicated than that. It's due to 40k's history of inconsistent wording. It all depends on if you want to treat "Removed from play" as different from "removed as casualty". Unfortunately, the rulebook and FAQ flipflops on this (using the two terms interchangably for situations that are definitely not interchangable) and we've had multi-page arguments on this too (mainly a lot of "blink" effects tells you to remove a model from play, which if treated the same as removed as casualty will trigger a variety of weird effects, yet the ones that are destruction-based ones clearly intend on them being "casualty")

For this case it's best to discuss with your opponent on whether or not "removed from play" is indeed different from "removed as casualty".

BomBomHotdog wrote:
Robbie G would still be able to get back up on a 4+ next turn. It's any time he is slain so unless they FAQ remove from play as getting around the rule...

It'd be amazing to see since the Acolyte would be going last and Robbie gets a 3+ invul save

Remove from play =/= slain. The model is not killed it is removed instead.