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Hey,

This has to be a competitive all comers list. I will play with Warzone Atlanta rules which allow for full invisibility and rerollable 2+'s.

The idea is to have 3 2+ rerollable units roaming around the table eating everything up.
DP gets 2+ rerollable armor and cover
LOC and screamerstar get 3++ rerolling ones plus cursed earth. (hopefully)

Gives me 11 rolls on demonology if I need it,

List has great potential to summon loads of units too with paradox and rerolling 1's on both Lords.

I have 3 dedicated squads of troops, perhaps below average before summons.

Oracles let me reroll reserves so almost guarantee the heldrakes come in and roast some duders right away.

I just found out that I can't take two relics on one character. Suddenly I have 45 points to spend. Any suggestions?

Here's the list:

Night Lords CAD

Daemon Prince 220
Daemon of Tzeentch
Stormbolt Plate
Wings

Cultistsx10 50

Cultistsx10 50

Heldrakex2 340

705

Daemons Allied Detachment

Herald 145
Disc
Paradox
Lvl 3

Herald 150
Disc
Grimoire
Lvl 3

Screamers of Tzeentchx8 200

Nurglingsx4 60

555

Omniscient Oracles

Kairos 300

Lord of Change 290
Lesser Reward
Impossible Robe
Lvl 3

590

1850

Thanks for any critique.

I think you should make the nurglings 3 (which is easier to hide) and use those points to turn your lesser reward into a greater. You get a 4+ fnp on top of the 3++ rerolling 1's and its bonkers.

Also allied detachments done allow 2 HQ slots only 2 troops so you cant take both heralds as listed.

Ah I forgot that the lesser is for the staff so forget that lol

Heralds are a 1-4 HQ choice, even in an Allied detachment, so the list is perfectly legal.

However, it forces your WL to be the Night Lord DP.
If you want Fateweaver to be your WL (and you do, because the Warp Storm is awesome) than an Allied detachment cannot be the same faction.

I suggest making the Daemon detachment a CAD, and the NL detachment Allied with only 1 cultist unit
Use the points from the cultists on 11 Blue Horrors for the Daemon CAD.

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Galef I like your points a lot.

I seem to remember that I can nominate any independent character not from an allied detachment as my WL. Am I mistaken? Edit: I see what you're saying wth primary detachments.

I don't mind the idea of just not dealing with the warp storm at all. Even with a reroll it can be fickle. Kairos will certainly be the biggest target for any ranged opponent so I don't mind the current set up. The DP also has a rock solid 2+ cover and armor save rerolling 1's. With 12 inch movement I get to decide if I give up warlord or not.

Going with your suggestion I'd have to drop a heldrake due to only one heavy slot. Any suggestions on what to replace it with?




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With the 45 extra points I could just do another squad of nurglings to make the daemons a CAD. Would let me decide which character I want my warlord to be on a case by case basis.

 Aijec wrote:
Galef I like your points a lot.

I seem to remember that I can nominate any independent character not from an allied detachment as my WL. Am I mistaken? Edit: I see what you're saying wth primary detachments.

I don't mind the idea of just not dealing with the warp storm at all. Even with a reroll it can be fickle. Kairos will certainly be the biggest target for any ranged opponent so I don't mind the current set up. The DP also has a rock solid 2+ cover and armor save rerolling 1's. With 12 inch movement I get to decide if I give up warlord or not.

Going with your suggestion I'd have to drop a heldrake due to only one heavy slot. Any suggestions on what to replace it with?




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With the 45 extra points I could just do another squad of nurglings to make the daemons a CAD. Would let me decide which character I want my warlord to be on a case by case basis.

Most tournaments require you to decide on a single warlord for the whole tournament when you submit your list.


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You can take the heldrakes as the legion formation. Can´t remember the name.

Heldrakes are Fast Attack, which both a CAD and an Allied Detachment allow at least 1 of. So 1 DP, 2 units of Cultists and 1 Heldrake will fit in either a CAD or Allied.
The only difference would be if you want 2 units of cultist, or only 1.

He has 2 heldrakes though

Ah, I see that now. I usually write my lists as 2x Unit, not Unitx2. So I missed the double Drakes

In that case, I'd keep the Nights Lords as CAD, but maybe trade the 4 Nurglings for 2x 10 Brimstones and make the Daemons into a CAD (and you get more WC).

he could use the heldrake formation if there is no limit on detachments

 Galef wrote:
Ah, I see that now. I usually write my lists as 2x Unit, not Unitx2. So I missed the double Drakes

In that case, I'd keep the Nights Lords as CAD, but maybe trade the 4 Nurglings for 2x 10 Brimstones and make the Daemons into a CAD (and you get more WC).

i just dont understand why give 2 wounds to a model with T1 it will get ID by everything, so have 2 wounds matter absolutely nothing, then brimstone will not generate WC
in what supplement you find the Stormbolt Plate ?

It's a fluff thing more than anything. One T3 Pinks splits into two T2 Blue. One T2 Blue splits into two T1 brims. GW just put them on a single base for aesthetics and so that a single Pink effectively ends up being 5 total wounds instead of 7. Splitting them into individual Brimstones would have been far more abusive than they already are.

And, yes Brimstones always generate WC. I am not sure why you are saying they wouldn't

I am suggesting trading the 4 Nurglings for 2x 10 Brims because it will make his Allied Daemons into a CAD as well as give 1 WC for each unit (so 2 more than he had before)
It also means he can capture 2 objectives over 1, be in 2 separate places on the board, etc.

And 4 Nurglings may have a 3+/2+ cover most of the time, but Brims are shorter (thus easier to hide) and 10 models is still 10 "wounds" against Scatterlasers vs the Nurglings total 4 "wounds".

 Galef wrote:
It's a fluff thing more than anything. One T3 Pinks splits into two T2 Blue. One T2 Blue splits into two T1 brims. GW just put them on a single base for aesthetics and so that a single Pink effectively ends up being 5 total wounds instead of 7. Splitting them into individual Brimstones would have been far more abusive than they already are.

And, yes Brimstones always generate WC. I am not sure why you are saying they wouldn't

I am suggesting trading the 4 Nurglings for 2x 10 Brims because it will make his Allied Daemons into a CAD as well as give 1 WC for each unit (so 2 more than he had before)
It also means he can capture 2 objectives over 1, be in 2 separate places on the board, etc.

And 4 Nurglings may have a 3+/2+ cover most of the time, but Brims are shorter (thus easier to hide) and 10 models is still 10 "wounds" against Scatterlasers vs the Nurglings total 4 "wounds".

maybe i read wrong about WC but still dont understand why a model with T1 have 2 wounds....

Because Dark Eldar splinter weapons are poison 4+, but only Str1. So against most Dark Eldar weapons, Brimstones don't get insta-killed
But again, it has little to do with game-play and more to do with fluff. A single Blue Horror splits into 2 Brimstones, which look better in pairs on a single 25mm base.

 Galef wrote:
Because Dark Eldar splinter weapons are poison 4+, but only Str1. So against most Dark Eldar weapons, Brimstones don't get insta-killed
But again, it has little to do with game-play and more to do with fluff. A single Blue Horror splits into 2 Brimstones, which look better in pairs on a single 25mm base.

i just think GW makes another no sense thing ,doubt they ever think about DE poisoned weapons, btw is ok was just some ranting


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is this still a viable list? i mean i played for very long time various kind of flying circus but in actual meta i m not sure if it is still a good choice, lately i played just demonic incursion (murder horde+burning skyhost) lot of wounds, fast units and you dont risk a single bad turn cripples your whole army.

 blackmage wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Because Dark Eldar splinter weapons are poison 4+, but only Str1. So against most Dark Eldar weapons, Brimstones don't get insta-killed
But again, it has little to do with game-play and more to do with fluff. A single Blue Horror splits into 2 Brimstones, which look better in pairs on a single 25mm base.

i just think GW makes another no sense thing ,doubt they ever think about DE poisoned weapons, btw is ok was just some ranting


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is this still a viable list? i mean i played for very long time various kind of flying circus but in actual meta i m not sure if it is still a good choice, lately i played just demonic incursion (murder horde+burning skyhost) lot of wounds, fast units and you dont risk a single bad turn cripples your whole army.

I'm pretty excited to really playtest this list really hard as it's something I've been working on for a long time. I think it'll be very good.

It really isn't flying circus in the same that you're playing with very few models.

We have a big 10 man screamer star, two MC's and Kairos flying around the table with over 40 troops in the backfield hanging around. On top of that I have two heldrakes coming in 8/9 times on turn two to massacre any eldar jetbikes that are roaming around or take a big chunk out of stupid gladius'.

That's before any summoning. The beauty of this list is that there is no dead turn. The LOC always has a 3++ rerolling 1's at minimum. The screamerstar can always jink rerolling 1's. The DP ALWAYS has a 2+ rerollable cover and armor save. Those stats get boosted to 2++ rerollable when I get cursed earth off and my grimoire. I like how reliable it is.

To call this a flying circus isn't respecting just how many models I get to play with, daemons have never been more efficient than now.

if you should play at 1500 what you will take out screamerstar or drakes? i played mosly of my tournaments with demons, mostly with FMC it's just many months i dont get into any tournament so i was just wondering how a demon list based lot on FMC can work right now, of course with summoning there is not anymore any problem about mass and ground control just some match ups are hard for those big guys (like for example Tau)

 blackmage wrote:

 Galef wrote:
It's a fluff thing more than anything. One T3 Pinks splits into two T2 Blue. One T2 Blue splits into two T1 brims. GW just put them on a single base for aesthetics and so that a single Pink effectively ends up being 5 total wounds instead of 7. Splitting them into individual Brimstones would have been far more abusive than they already are.

And, yes Brimstones always generate WC. I am not sure why you are saying they wouldn't

I am suggesting trading the 4 Nurglings for 2x 10 Brims because it will make his Allied Daemons into a CAD as well as give 1 WC for each unit (so 2 more than he had before)
It also means he can capture 2 objectives over 1, be in 2 separate places on the board, etc.

And 4 Nurglings may have a 3+/2+ cover most of the time, but Brims are shorter (thus easier to hide) and 10 models is still 10 "wounds" against Scatterlasers vs the Nurglings total 4 "wounds".

maybe i read wrong about WC but still dont understand why a model with T1 have 2 wounds....

Its just for fluff (a brimstone base is actually two horrors on it) but it matters against things that don't use a Str value to cause wounds such as Psychic Shriek, Warflame, Poisoned shooting, Sacrifice psychic power, DEMONIC INSTABILITY.

Using sacrifice on brimstones is hilarious. Unfortunately they also take double damage in combat so don't expect them to hold against anything.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Using sacrifice on brimstones is hilarious. Unfortunately they also take double damage in combat so don't expect them to hold against anything.

I don't think they get access to malefic.

 Aijec wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Using sacrifice on brimstones is hilarious. Unfortunately they also take double damage in combat so don't expect them to hold against anything.

I don't think they get access to malefic.

they dont

He means take the wound off a brimstone unit when the FMC cast sacrifice. It´s any daemon model in 6" can have the wound assigned to them. I usually put it on my fiends as I fly past them.

Right, Brimsotnes and Nurgling are great units to put the Sacrifice wound on when a Herald or FMC casts Sacrifice.