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Hello fellow 40k fans ! I think I'm not the only one noticing the birth of the Aeldari God of the Dead and the death of the human so called "corpse-god" seem to be happening at the very same time, and considering the proximity of these two events I have wondered if perhaps they are not linked in a much more significant manner than some may think.
I remember watching a Youtube video (probably from Arch Warhammer) that stated that the God of the Eldars were created by the Old Ones and that they had some sort of practical use in the Eldar Society. Essentially the gods helped the eldars to perform various tasks, by believing in them they had a practical effect on the material universe in some way. These Gods could be called "Gods of order", for they were constructed in a very thought out manner for a very precise purpose. As such, these gods were presumably not fractured like the gods of chaos into a multitude of lesser beings called "demons", they were one. While these gods where in power, the gods of chaos Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne were kept at bay. In a way there was a subconscious barrier between the unconscious symbolized by the gods of chaos and the conscious symbolized by the gods of order. However, with the decadence of the eldar race, Slaanesh, She Who Thirst came to unholy life and devoured most of the eldar pantheon. Only three gods of order survived, Cegorach, Isha and Khaine who was not left unscathed (he was himself fractured in lesser beings called dem...avatars). And thus, the gods of chaos took power in the warp. With the birth of the eldar god of the dead Ynnead I wonder if it is not the rebirth of the gods of order and considering The Emperor can certainly be considered to be one that would crave to create order in the galaxy is it not possible that he and Ynnead might become one ? I mean, maybe Ynnead won't be an Eldar god, maybe he'll be a god for every race in the galaxy and maybe (I know, lots of maybes) the emperor in his death will become Ynnead as Ynnead will become him ? After all Ynnead is supposed to be the god of the dead isn't he ?

Anyways, just some food for thought, I don't really expect that to happen I doubt GW would do something like that considering it would put the Imperium and the Eldars in a very peculiar position where they would be both worshipping the same god and it would probably make the lore go into weird directions but I would like to know what you think about this, or if you have proof that might suggest another link between the two !

I don't think so. If anything, It's more likely setting up a possible route for the ressurection of the Emperor. If Ynnead can ressurect anyone he/she chooses, then why not him?

I hope they don't go this route. If they do, I feel like the setting will be ruined. I'm one of the few who thinks the story should never progress on a macro level, and should only be used as a setting to tell smaller stories, or universe expanding ones such as when they flesh out regions like Calixis.

Thanks for your reply ! The Ynnari actually consider resurrecting him but they choose Guilliman instead because they believe he is more likely to work well with them. Let's not forget that the emperor is not fond of Xenos and since, for now at least, the Eldars are the one guiding Ynnead's hand (as much as he is guiding them) they wouldn't use his power to put them into a possibly dangerous situation.

Anyway, what you're talking about is the "status quo" situation. I do believe that there should be a status quo, but I think it shouldn't be a permanent one. Because a permanent status quo becomes very tedious and boring for writters that see themselves in a position where they are forced to revisit very similar settings. After all there is only so much story you can write without having any effect to the universe. So I think the status quo should be rocked from time to time in order to create a new status quo. If you read comics, you know that this a permanent problem, superhero are fixed to the point when even when they die, they don't. But once in a while, it's good to make a change that stick because it moves the story and the character forwards and it allows for new ideas and developments. The issue with 40k is that its status quo (before Gathering Storm) was extremely good. So even though they must create a new Status quo it must be as good (if not better) and keep the central themes of the universe alive. Right now we're in the very peculiar moment when the Status Quo has been rocked and a new one hasn't taken place yet. So many things can happen to set it. It can happen in the wrongest way possible with something similar to AoS or in the best way possible (like Rebirth if you read comics for instance) either way I'm not as worried as some people are because wether or not you like the changes being made, know that the truth of entertainment and of these Status Quo is that it only really sticks when it's good. If you look at the New 52, a lot of things weren't good in there, a lot of changes disappointed a lot of people, so it's being washed away and even though it might seem messy what counts in the end is what you find enjoyable in it.

With that said, as for myself I like the Gathering Storm books and what they can potentially bring. Like I said my "theory" isn't to be considered as a potential truth but rather just something I thought about. However the idea behind the "gods of order" (that I don't think has ever be certified in that way) could bring out very interesting things in the future.

The fluff in Fracture of Biel-Tan shows the Eldar considering who would be more fitting to push the Empire forward again.

The Emperor is discarted ( as they consider it a dead useless corpse) and Gullimian is chosen as the most fiting being for the duty of all the possible ones.

I don't think they will 'become one', no.

Possibly work together in an alliance of convenience to throw back the Chaos Gods, sure, but they'll never join into one being.

I doubt the emperor will die. in fact I've got a personal theory that he's already dead. "Master of Mankind" showed us the orgins of the psyker sacrifice and it was so that the golden throne could operate without the emperor on it....

the conclusion that he's actually dead is thus one that we can't rule out

BrianDavion wrote:
I doubt the emperor will die. in fact I've got a personal theory that he's already dead. "Master of Mankind" showed us the orgins of the psyker sacrifice and it was so that the golden throne could operate without the emperor on it....

the conclusion that he's actually dead is thus one that we can't rule out

Didn't Rouboute talk to him though?

What is the Eldars' reasoning for reviving Guilliman instead of the Emperor?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I doubt the emperor will die. in fact I've got a personal theory that he's already dead. "Master of Mankind" showed us the orgins of the psyker sacrifice and it was so that the golden throne could operate without the emperor on it....

the conclusion that he's actually dead is thus one that we can't rule out

Didn't Rouboute talk to him though?

Not explicitly. He goes into the throne room and comes out after a day. What happens inside is not said. He could have sat at the foot of a dead corpse for a day then come out. He could have said he communed with the Emperor and we would have no idea whether he's telling the truth or not.

Karkasky wrote:
Hello fellow 40k fans ! I think I'm not the only one noticing the birth of the Aeldari God of the Dead and the death of the human so called "corpse-god" seem to be happening at the very same time, and considering the proximity of these two events I have wondered if perhaps they are not linked in a much more significant manner than some may think.
I remember watching a Youtube video (probably from Arch Warhammer) that stated that the God of the Eldars were created by the Old Ones and that they had some sort of practical use in the Eldar Society. Essentially the gods helped the eldars to perform various tasks, by believing in them they had a practical effect on the material universe in some way. These Gods could be called "Gods of order", for they were constructed in a very thought out manner for a very precise purpose. As such, these gods were presumably not fractured like the gods of chaos into a multitude of lesser beings called "demons", they were one. While these gods where in power, the gods of chaos Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne were kept at bay. In a way there was a subconscious barrier between the unconscious symbolized by the gods of chaos and the conscious symbolized by the gods of order. However, with the decadence of the eldar race, Slaanesh, She Who Thirst came to unholy life and devoured most of the eldar pantheon. Only three gods of order survived, Cegorach, Isha and Khaine who was not left unscathed (he was himself fractured in lesser beings called dem...avatars). And thus, the gods of chaos took power in the warp. With the birth of the eldar god of the dead Ynnead I wonder if it is not the rebirth of the gods of order and considering The Emperor can certainly be considered to be one that would crave to create order in the galaxy is it not possible that he and Ynnead might become one ? I mean, maybe Ynnead won't be an Eldar god, maybe he'll be a god for every race in the galaxy and maybe (I know, lots of maybes) the emperor in his death will become Ynnead as Ynnead will become him ? After all Ynnead is supposed to be the god of the dead isn't he ?

I don't know where to start with this so I'll just hit the big things. I'll also leave the status quo discussion for now.

The theory about the Eldar gods being whole enteties is wrong. It's not how chaos gods work and it's up to speculation what the old Eldar pantheon actually is. For all we know ancient lords, C'tan, old ones and chaos enteties could togheter make up what is reffered to as the Eldar pantheon. Blantly saying the Eldar gods where created by the old ones does not have a solid basis and is contradictory to some fluff. In short: it's wrong, or at least not the whole picture.

The death of the Emperor is fluff that's been around since 2nd ed. Back then the Star child theory was widespread. The idea that killing the Emperor would produce a new chaos god for humanity. Frankly it makes alot of sense with how the chaos gods function. However, such a re-birth would snuff out the Astronomican. That'd spell a new dark age for mankind, like the dark age of the machine or the age of strife.

There is definetly a connection between the Emperor and the Eldar. Right up untill his entobment the Emperor worked on creating a webway for humans, a design directly taken from the Eldar. I myself have always been a believer in a connection between Isha and the Emperor. It just makes sense that the strongest psyker in the galaxy would communicate with the god who tries to "whisper words to her children". That does not mean I'm right but the Emperor has most definetly been in contact with Eldars during or prior to his design of the webway.

As far as the birth of both gods being linked in the timeline probably has something to do with the fact that they are roughly the same age. The Emperor is 60.000years old but was seated on the golden throne in very close proximity to the birth of Slaanesh (when the seads for Ynnead was sown), it's actually only a few hundred years difference. So they've both spent around 10.000 years growing on souls. I don't know if this timespan has any meaning but it's definetly possible they've (big E and Ynnead that is) communicated during it, since the golden throne is actually linked to the webway. The Emperor might actually be engineering the birth of Ynnead to further his own goals.

Edit: Shoutout to Iron_captain. You're pretty much resident master of theese things so if you read this then check if I missed anything please.

Edit 2: aw crap. Missed this: The Emperor is not dead. He's even able to communicate. Spoilers for Inquisition wars by Ian Watsons below.

 Nerak wrote:

Edit 2: aw crap. Missed this: The Emperor is not dead. He's even able to communicate. Spoilers for Inquisition wars by Ian Watsons below.

Spoiler:

Inquisitor Drago makes it to the golden throne where he converses with the Emperor. Turns out the Emperor has become a collection of consiousnesses that all debate on what is the best future for humanity. Drago is helped by the Emperor who is actively acting for humanitis best intrest in the warp

That book is one of the worst reads for 40k fluff.. (It is one of the early publications by BL though) as a whole it just went no where.. made me really angry

and I wouldn't count it as cannon any day of the year...

GodDamUser wrote:

 Nerak wrote:

Edit 2: aw crap. Missed this: The Emperor is not dead. He's even able to communicate. Spoilers for Inquisition wars by Ian Watsons below.

Spoiler:

Inquisitor Drago makes it to the golden throne where he converses with the Emperor. Turns out the Emperor has become a collection of consiousnesses that all debate on what is the best future for humanity. Drago is helped by the Emperor who is actively acting for humanitis best intrest in the warp

That book is one of the worst reads for 40k fluff.. (It is one of the early publications by BL though) as a whole it just went no where.. made me really angry

and I wouldn't count it as cannon any day of the year...

I personally did not like it and couldn't even be bother to finish it. I still regard it as canon though. It stands on my shelf looking sad. As if begging me to finish it.