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Hey Dakka,

i've noticed that almost every single post has been about those damned scatbikes.

so i'm issuing a challenge to ya'll.

what would be the most competitive list WITHOUT using scatbikes, and MUST include a unit from each of the 3 factions.

i'm interested to see the responses, as i despise any list that spams certain things. regardless of how good it is.

I've actually had some lists in the works where I'm trying to do this exact thing. I'm also tired of seeing Scatbike spam, especially when its Ynnari and there are so many choices available. I'll type up the list later today

WraithGuard d-scythes, with an archon (wwp & Shadowfield) and a Shadowseer for Hit and Run & Veil.

Two of those WG units to tag team off each other for SfDeath/Soul Bursts. (maybe one ShadowS). Or FireDs instead of WGs.

Round out with Scats, of course, for troops.

War walkers in an Ulthwe Strike Force seem pretty great. Turn 1 precision deep strike with battle focus to scoot behind terrain could be cool. Warp Spiders, reavers, and WWP Wraithguard for rounding it out.

 astro_nomicon wrote:
War walkers in an Ulthwe Strike Force seem pretty great. Turn 1 precision deep strike with battle focus to scoot behind terrain could be cool. Warp Spiders, reavers, and WWP Wraithguard for rounding it out.

Ynarii, they lose Battle Focus.


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 Brothererekose wrote:
WraithGuard d-scythes, with an archon (wwp & Shadowfield) and a Shadowseer for Hit and Run & Veil.

Two of those WG units to tag team off each other for SfDeath/Soul Bursts. (maybe one ShadowS). Or FireDs instead of WGs.

Round out with Scats, of course, for troops.

you almost had it...

Ynnari Warhost
HQ
Succubus w/AoM, Glaive, & Hwg
Autarch w/Bike, Mask, Shard, Fusiongun, & Shimmershield

Troops
5 Rangers
5 Rangers

Fast Attack
9 Reavers w/3 Caltrops & 3 Heatlances (Autarch joins)
5 Scourges w/4 Heatlances
5 Scourges w/4 Heatlance

Ynarri Formations
Cast of Players (Succubus joins)
Shadowseer ML2 & MoS
Imriam's Spectre
Troupe Master w/Caress
3x Caresses & 4 Plain

Aspect Host (+1 BS)
6 Swooping Hawks w/Exarch
6 Swooping Hawks w/Exarch
6 Swooping Hawks w/Exarch

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:
War walkers in an Ulthwe Strike Force seem pretty great. Turn 1 precision deep strike with battle focus to scoot behind terrain could be cool. Warp Spiders, reavers, and WWP Wraithguard for rounding it out.

Ynarii, they lose Battle Focus.


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 Brothererekose wrote:
WraithGuard d-scythes, with an archon (wwp & Shadowfield) and a Shadowseer for Hit and Run & Veil.

Two of those WG units to tag team off each other for SfDeath/Soul Bursts. (maybe one ShadowS). Or FireDs instead of WGs.

Round out with Scats, of course, for troops.

you almost had it...

They lose battle focus if you take them in a Reborn Host. The USF doesn't fit in the host however. So you retain battle focus but lose soul burst (which vehicles don't benefit from anyway) but can still trigger soul bursts for units in the Reborn Host when they are destroyed.

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:
War walkers in an Ulthwe Strike Force seem pretty great. Turn 1 precision deep strike with battle focus to scoot behind terrain could be cool. Warp Spiders, reavers, and WWP Wraithguard for rounding it out.

Ynarii, they lose Battle Focus.


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 Brothererekose wrote:
WraithGuard d-scythes, with an archon (wwp & Shadowfield) and a Shadowseer for Hit and Run & Veil.

Two of those WG units to tag team off each other for SfDeath/Soul Bursts. (maybe one ShadowS). Or FireDs instead of WGs.

Round out with Scats, of course, for troops.

you almost had it...

They lose battle focus if you take them in a Reborn Host. The USF doesn't fit in the host however. So you retain battle focus but lose soul burst (which vehicles don't benefit from anyway) but can still trigger soul bursts for units in the Reborn Host when they are destroyed.

then how would you fit 3 armies into one faction? i do believe you have to take the Reborn Warhost to get the Ynarri Faction and get access to all 3 armies.


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xambrien wrote:
Ynnari Warhost
HQ
Succubus w/AoM, Glaive, & Hwg
Autarch w/Mask, Shard, Fusiongun, & Shimmershield

Troops
5 Rangers
5 Rangers

Fast Attack
9 Reavers w/3 Caltrops & 3 Heatlances (Autarch joins)
5 Scourges w/4 Heatlances
5 Scourges w/4 Heatlance

Ynarri Formations
Cast of Players (Succubus joins)
Shadowseer ML2 & MoS
Imriam's Spectre
Troupe Master w/Caress
3x Caresses & 4 Plain

Aspect Host (+1 BS)
6 Swooping Hawks w/Exarch
6 Swooping Hawks w/Exarch
6 Swooping Hawks w/Exarch

does the autarch have a Bike? i've never used them before sorry xD

Yes, edited to match

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:
War walkers in an Ulthwe Strike Force seem pretty great. Turn 1 precision deep strike with battle focus to scoot behind terrain could be cool. Warp Spiders, reavers, and WWP Wraithguard for rounding it out.

Ynarii, they lose Battle Focus.


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 Brothererekose wrote:
WraithGuard d-scythes, with an archon (wwp & Shadowfield) and a Shadowseer for Hit and Run & Veil.

Two of those WG units to tag team off each other for SfDeath/Soul Bursts. (maybe one ShadowS). Or FireDs instead of WGs.

Round out with Scats, of course, for troops.

you almost had it...

They lose battle focus if you take them in a Reborn Host. The USF doesn't fit in the host however. So you retain battle focus but lose soul burst (which vehicles don't benefit from anyway) but can still trigger soul bursts for units in the Reborn Host when they are destroyed.

then how would you fit 3 armies into one faction? i do believe you have to take the Reborn Warhost to get the Ynarri Faction and get access to all 3 armies.

You take a Reborn Warhost and then take a USF as a stand alone formation alongside it. The war walkers retain battle focus and gain precision, turn 1 deep strike capability and can still trigger soul bursts for units in the Warhost if they are destroyed.

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:

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 Brothererekose wrote:
WraithGuard d-scythes, with an archon (wwp & Shadowfield) and a Shadowseer for Hit and Run & Veil.
Two of those WG units to tag team off each other for SfDeath/Soul Bursts. (maybe one ShadowS). Or FireDs instead of WGs.
Round out with Scats, of course, for troops.

you almost had it...

So you swap scats out for rangers or guardians or DAs. Or Kabalites or wyches, etc. Essentially, the wwp WGs are your Main Show.

This just a rough sketch but something like this might do pretty well without scat bikes:

Archon: WWP, Armor of Misery
Autarch: Jetbike, Laser Lance, Banshee Mask

Shadowseer: ML2, Mask of Secrets

5x D Scythes (Archon and Shadowseer)

5x Dire Avenger
5x Dire Avenger


3x Reavers w/ Cluster Caltrop
3x Reavers w/ Cluster Caltrop
6x Reavers w/ 2 Cluster Caltrop (autarch here)

Aspect Host
3x 5 Spiders w/ Exarch

USF

4x Solo War Walkers w/ Scatter Lasers

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