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Yeah, I don't want to be all "there so screwed" like Rick, but they hit their slump extremely early, and their one stretch goal is both a big jump from the funding goal, is pretty blah, and they don't have any listed beyond that.

Seems to me at this point that the only way they make it to their funding goal is if the remaining RRT money gets plowed into this thing.

Merijeek wrote:
Yeah, I don't want to be all "there so screwed" like Rick, but they hit their slump extremely early, and their one stretch goal is both a big jump from the funding goal, is pretty blah, and they don't have any listed beyond that.

Seems to me at this point that the only way they make it to their funding goal is if the remaining RRT money gets plowed into this thing.

Thing of it is, people are expecting that end of project boost, problem with that is those boosts happen because of backers trying to get to the stretch goals, the lack of stretch goals pretty much doomed this project.

That and they only pretty much marketed the game towards Rift's fans, they are ignoring the board game group entirely.

I would be surprised if this project did over $80K but right now its not looking so well.

They're only 3 days in, and they are at $60K.

They'll probably fund, but maybe only barely?

And if that happens - what are they odds that they actually deliver?

Not good, I'd think.

And if they reconfigure the stretch goals in an attempt to 'add value' here?

Probably ups the risk considerably too.

Best bet might just be to cancel, rethink the campaign, and relaunch with something a bit more than what they've got now.

Like answers to basic questions?

KEVIN ANSWERS TO NO MAN (or mod) YOU FILTHY PEASANT!

 Alpharius wrote:
They're only 3 days in, and they are at $60K.

They'll probably fund, but maybe only barely?

And if that happens - what are they odds that they actually deliver?

Not good, I'd think.

I think that just barely funding (like, $103K) would probably be the worst possible outcome for this campaign; even assuming that the funds would cover the costs, then you also have to take into account Carmen can keep juggling this and his day job (which $100K won't allow him to quit to work on this full time) without breaking...again.

 Alpharius wrote:
Best bet might just be to cancel, rethink the campaign, and relaunch with something a bit more than what they've got now.

See, that's the thing - Carmen has been adamant that this has to GET DONE NOW, which leads me to believe that the license is ready to expire, and he doesn't currently have funds to extend it any further; thus, the campaign is needed to generate funds for the project's continued existence.

I mean, clearly Kev could help out his dear friend in his hour of need, but Unka Kevy gots to get PAID.

As a side note, the Rogue Heroes folks have been cagey about where the add-on material is coming from. Perhaps the warehouse security is still a little lacking over at PB, maybe some books fell off a truck...
Say, Carmen's a truck driver! It all makes sense now.

 Alpharius wrote:
They're only 3 days in, and they are at $60K.

They'll probably fund, but maybe only barely?

And if that happens - what are they odds that they actually deliver?

Not good, I'd think.

And if they reconfigure the stretch goals in an attempt to 'add value' here?

Probably ups the risk considerably too.

Best bet might just be to cancel, rethink the campaign, and relaunch with something a bit more than what they've got now.

Like I keep saying carmen's best bet now is if this project does not fund, since if it does it will be much worse for him.

Now another question is will they still be over $60K by the end of the day, noticed they just lost some more.

I don't want to get into that clusterfeth KS even for a dollar, but I have this retort for a comment there:

tags wrote:
Ok.....I want ONE of you to show me where money was spent where it wasn't supposed to be, i dare you.
DON'T think that just because you don't have your product that means the money was misspent .

That's easy, the Feb 2015/2016 3D prints to "show off" some of the remaining models we haven't recieved yet. Yes, that was money well-spent; it's not for demo play pieces nor to "test" out the 3D models, but a mere vanity project to "prove" they're still sooooooo working on RRT.

So they have a character named Tirrvol Sword Fist... Tirrvol... SWORD FIST.

OMG if that name were any worse it'd be Taserface.

 paulson games wrote:
So they have a character named Tirrvol Sword Fist... Tirrvol... SWORD FIST.

OMG if that name were any worse it'd be Taserface.

It gets worse when you see the art that inspired it.

I googled Tirrvolian Sword Fester and think maybe the kickstarter creators might actually be descended from them IRL.


Mush Mouth (-2): The Tirrvol spoken language is reminiscent of the vocalizations made by dolphins, and as a result they have trouble with most other spoken languages. As well as taking a -2 to speech-based uses of Intimidation, Persuasion, and Taunt, they cannot take Arcane Backgrounds that employ spoken spells (which includes the Ley Line Walker and Mystic IFs).

How does he put his clothes on? Or use any of the items on his belt?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
How does he put his clothes on? Or use any of the items on his belt?

Carefully?

Wiping his butt would be challenging to say the least.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
How does he put his clothes on? Or use any of the items on his belt?

I have never asked that question....

Though I dtoooed playing Rifts when I realized aircraft flew faster than the missiles and bullet speeds of their guns they carried.

Ahh, Jim Lawson. He can be a good, even great artist, especially when Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird are inking him (see Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles issues 19-21) and he did some decent stuff for Palladium's TMNT RPG (Mutants Down Under and Transdimensional TMNT are largely illustrated by him).

His Rifts art, though, is...pretty weird.

it seems this projects pledges are dropping by 4/5ths every day, first day about $48K, second day a little over $10K and today around $2K. not looking good for it funding especially when some of the interested backers are wavering and question it since they are not getting much needed answers to good questions.

Are Carmen and Drew really that thick? It's like they don't realize that the parent company Palladium has played the mysterious manufacturer game for three years. He should edit his comment to say 'It's common practice among miniature companies not planning to produce miniatures to keep their nonexistent manufacturer confidential'. People are asking because they don't believe you have one. And they continue to adhere to Unca Kev's 'what we do is secret' line of thought. Guys, guys, guys, that only works AFTER you get the money.
They could just say they're using the best manufacturer EVER and then announce in their first updates that budgetary constraints have sent them looking for a cheaper alternative that must remain secret.

By terms or service that's legit. Rotten to the core and borderline fraudulent and skating thin ice but it's not like anyone could get refunds anyway. Also not like kickstarter would do anything about it. After all, backers were WARNED that things could change.

Well it seems you can now get a glitterboy for your game at $28 wow, just by that it tells me this project will neither fund nor be delivered if it does fund by some miracle.

 paulson games wrote:
Wiping his butt would be challenging to say the least.

My guess is that he uses a straight razor shaving style technique. In any case, that's the basis for the kickstarter exclusive mini. If you weren't excited already, I imagine you are now!

Sometimes suckers just want to be parted from their money.

 TwoGunBob wrote:
They could just say they're using the best manufacturer EVER and then announce in their first updates that budgetary constraints have sent them looking for a cheaper alternative that must remain secret.

Like paper standees and a downloadable rules/map PDF to print at your own additional cost for a $150 pledge... and completely allowable under their blanket disclaimer that you agree to when pledging. No refunds or substitutions.. and according to KS's 2014 terms you're lucky if they even give you that since creators are NOT required to fulfill their end as long as they post a laundry list of excuses and a sad story. Even if they did that in RBG, it would still be an improvement over what we've gotten from Robotech Wave 2 after four years.

hmm looking at what they are using for a map I could probably make a fortune selling those backers my Sedition Wars board tiles and such, they would be an improvement me thinks.

also on a side note, the voice over there andrew cooke just violated KS rules big time by outing a backer on how much they pledged, it violated the privacy rules KS has.

Well that Andrew Cooke fellow just told someone that a $1 "bid" wasn't good enough to answer questions. "If you choose to support our kickstarter I'd be happy to answer your questions."

#popcorntime

And the approvals roll in. As good as if not better than GW and priced in accordance with every other miniature company's release! If I etch Gletterboi on a dried out piece of green stuff will Rifts fans clamor to buy it?


Edit to add: Wow, Drew just nuked that kickstarter from orbit. Obviously rolled a fumble on his Trollovian Fester Sword charisma check.

So far this is my favorite white knight comment:

Do you seriously think the 100K is the actual minimum needed to manufacture and ship this? With no padding? Seriously? That's the min listed on the KS for funding, but I guarantee they need far less to actually produce. It's like thinking the sticker price on a car is what it actually costs.

I don't know anything about producing boardgames, but I've learned here on Dakka that molds for plastic minis are not cheap.

Jacksmiles wrote:
Well that Andrew Cooke fellow just told someone that a $1 "bid" wasn't good enough to answer questions. "If you choose to support our kickstarter I'd be happy to answer your questions."

#popcorntime

yeah but that also goes against kickstarters rules, all information received by the project creator and their employees cannot be used in any manner other then what it was intended to be and what he did it was not to be used that way, think Andrew just killed the project for Carmen.

Creators have the option to appoint collaborators to help manage their project. These collaborators may be able to access some of the information available to creators (including backers’ names, email addresses, pledge amounts, reward selections, messages, and survey responses), and are required to treat backers’ personal information with the same care and respect as creators are.

I'll be curious how Kickstarter handles this one. Given their penchant for siding with creators they'll likely slap Drew on thie wrist, tell him to behave, and ban the guy called out for his bid.

 TwoGunBob wrote:
I'll be curious how Kickstarter handles this one. Given their penchant for siding with creators they'll likely slap Drew on thie wrist, tell him to behave, and ban the guy called out for his bid.

well you know they will delete the post but it has been screenshotted and it could cause a serious backlash for KS if they do nothing about it, imagine the press, project collaborator releases private information about a backer and kickstarter does nothing about it but delete the incriminating evidence

meanwhile what Andrew just did might have killed the kickstarter anyway, some new voice I never saw before are speaking up now and calling him on that.

Asterios wrote:

yeah but that also goes against kickstarters rules, all information received by the project creator and their employees cannot be used in any manner other then what it was intended to be and what he did it was not to be used that way, think Andrew just killed the project for Carmen.

Man I honestly kind of hope so. I've been keeping myself up to date on the RRT thread, so I kind of expected to see some of the white knights acting how they are in the comments there - but they're fighting "Dudes be very careful this probably isn't on the level" with abuse and much more toxicity than I'm seeing from those burned by RRT. Then the collab shows that much disrespect, likely just to get the white knights fired up against a "troll."


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Asterios wrote:

 TwoGunBob wrote:
I'll be curious how Kickstarter handles this one. Given their penchant for siding with creators they'll likely slap Drew on thie wrist, tell him to behave, and ban the guy called out for his bid.

well you know they will delete the post but it has been screenshotted and it could cause a serious backlash for KS if they do nothing about it, imagine the press, project collaborator releases private information about a backer and kickstarter does nothing about it but delete the incriminating evidence

meanwhile what Andrew just did might have killed the kickstarter anyway, some new voice I never saw before are speaking up now and calling him on that.

I've got a screenshot too, if anyone needs it to host the image somewhere and link to it in the comments every so often

Jacksmiles wrote:

Asterios wrote:

yeah but that also goes against kickstarters rules, all information received by the project creator and their employees cannot be used in any manner other then what it was intended to be and what he did it was not to be used that way, think Andrew just killed the project for Carmen.

Man I honestly kind of hope so. I've been keeping myself up to date on the RRT thread, so I kind of expected to see some of the white knights acting how they are in the comments there - but they're fighting "Dudes be very careful this probably isn't on the level" with abuse and much more toxicity than I'm seeing from those burned by RRT. Then the collab shows that much disrespect, likely just to get the white knights fired up against a "troll."


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Asterios wrote:

 TwoGunBob wrote:
I'll be curious how Kickstarter handles this one. Given their penchant for siding with creators they'll likely slap Drew on thie wrist, tell him to behave, and ban the guy called out for his bid.

well you know they will delete the post but it has been screenshotted and it could cause a serious backlash for KS if they do nothing about it, imagine the press, project collaborator releases private information about a backer and kickstarter does nothing about it but delete the incriminating evidence

meanwhile what Andrew just did might have killed the kickstarter anyway, some new voice I never saw before are speaking up now and calling him on that.

I've got a screenshot too, if anyone needs it to host the image somewhere and link to it in the comments every so often

I hope Steve reports him (by the way who is Steve?) as it goes I already sent in a support ticket.