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I think an imperial civil war would be great.

Copying and pasting my post from news thread here:

That video, wew lad that is awesome.

I like it. The Emperor gene-forged the Astartes at an appropriate level for their time. The cost of these new marines is probably higher than our current Astartes, so the Emperor made to a level that was more than capable for their time.

What is the best way to combat one of the biggest threats at the time? With more powerful soldiers.

Now Gulliman is taking a risk, if these new marines fall to chaos, it will cause bigger issues, but now that Gulliman is back, and able to focus resources etc, why wouldn't he make a new generation of Astartes that are bigger and better to combat the Imperium's enemy's?

Did anyone else notice as well that they said Chapters which have been destroyed would be brought back with these new Marines? That is awesome.

We already have one Heretics vs Loyalists.. But I totally agree it would be more fun if it became a 3 way battle between Heretics, loyalists and traitors in shiny armour. .

Martel732 wrote:
I think an imperial civil war would be great.

Umm what? That is literally the story we have at the moment with SM vs. CSM




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 oldzoggy wrote:
We already have one Heretics vs Loyalists.. But I totally agree it would be more fun if it became a 3 way battle between Heretics, loyalists and traitors in shiny armour. .

We already have that, there are traitor chapters that fight chaos also. albiet most of them fall to Chaos eventually.

Chaos is over the top stupid evil. There can be people who disagree with the Imperium without having anything to do with chaos.

Martel732 wrote:
Chaos is over the top stupid evil. There can be people who disagree with the Imperium without having anything to do with chaos.

We have that, it doesn't need to be a focal point of the story.

I guess if Dorn gets resurrected that could be a cool story ark, noting they almost had civil war post heresy when Gulliman wrote the Codex.

It's a better focus to me than trite Chaos.

Martel732 wrote:
It's a better focus to me than trite Chaos.

Then you are going to dislike 8th edition
Maybe go play a different game if you don't like the setting, rather than changing the one we have.

there are those who go renegade and fight their own mostly backwater battles but this isn't the same as a military coup that splits the IoM in two

I know they are not going to do that.

The story doesn't REALLY matter to me, as I mostly ignore it anyway. I just think an imperial civil war would be cool. It's definitely big enough to function in pieces.


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 oldzoggy wrote:
there are those who go renegade and fight their own mostly backwater battles but this isn't the same as a military coup that splits the IoM in two

Or more than two pieces

 Rippy wrote:

Did anyone else notice as well that they said Chapters which have been destroyed would be brought back with these new Marines? That is awesome.

I'm totally grasping at nothing here but, what if that meant the missing chapters? *gasps*

He doesn't. But the possibility is there.

It isn't.

It'd be cool to see Celestial Lions come back, though it'd be kinda funny as they're the Stormcast Eternal's cannon army colours haha

 oldzoggy wrote:
there are those who go renegade and fight their own mostly backwater battles but this isn't the same as a military coup that splits the IoM in two

You mean in three, the Horus Heresy already covered this.

 Rippy wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
there are those who go renegade and fight their own mostly backwater battles but this isn't the same as a military coup that splits the IoM in two

You mean in three, the Horus Heresy already covered this.

The Horus Heresy was small in scale, though. And based around an elite few. I thinking more an ideological, citizen-driven split.

I liked the new video, because of one thing - hope.

Let's face it, the Imperium of man has been fethed over a barrel of late. Chaos actually forcing them back in big battles, not raids, destroying Cadia too. The Tyranids are still om nom nomming their way through the galaxy, Orks still fighting. Because Orks. The Necron dynasties awakening, and while they are just as happy to fight everyone, guarantee they might go to far and literally kill the universe with some doomsday weapon they have. And the Tau being all upstart with their fancy Gundam suits. Bleh.

Now, the Imperium has SOMEONE to back. While old big E might be stuck on Terra, his son has ideas. Hell, even the sisters of silence, admech, custodes, other chapters and the Astra militarum will back old girly man till the galaxy shatters. He's the one example of over the top 40k that isn't full grimdark or hiding something. He's the closest we've had to a proper, good guy in so long, it feels... odd.

Here's to 8th edition. Where hopefully it will put the fun back into 40k.

Imperium deserves to lose, though. Lose hard.

I like the Grimdark of 40k for what it is, and I prefer if it remain that way. But I acknowledge too that you can't sell that to the great public.

So, if 40k need to be make slightly more brillaint and less dark to appeal to a large public, I'm not gonna be a Lore-Hipster. I prefer to have even... I don't know... MOVIES of 40k in the future, that to remain with this very niche universe and hobby.

The grimdark version of 40k will always remain in mi rulebooks, novels and codices. I can go back to that if I want.


The Grimdark of the 41th millenium has to die to become a commercial sucess. It is the time we have to live. We are better accepting that now.

Not I like it, but it is what it is.

Martel732 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
there are those who go renegade and fight their own mostly backwater battles but this isn't the same as a military coup that splits the IoM in two

You mean in three, the Horus Heresy already covered this.

The Horus Heresy was small in scale, though. And based around an elite few. I thinking more an ideological, citizen-driven split.

I suggest you re-read the Horus Heresy. Many many many planets through their lot in with Horus and Chaos, due to Lorgar and other chapters staying behind on planets etc.

Martel732 wrote:
Imperium deserves to lose, though. Lose hard.

That's already happening...

I don't know how to feel about this. They are definitely not redoing the entire line, as that would just push more people away and be wayyy too much money. As for them making a new unit of just super marines, seems kind of dumb. I like the idea of a unit bigger and more powerful than marines, but I just wish they were more than just bigger marines

Martel732 wrote:
Imperium deserves to lose, though. Lose hard.

They are far from winning, they are in worse position than 7th in fact, with half the galaxy being ripped apart by the warp.

 Rippy wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
there are those who go renegade and fight their own mostly backwater battles but this isn't the same as a military coup that splits the IoM in two

You mean in three, the Horus Heresy already covered this.

The Horus Heresy was small in scale, though. And based around an elite few. I thinking more an ideological, citizen-driven split.

I suggest you re-read the Horus Heresy. Many many many planets through their lot in with Horus and Chaos, due to Lorgar and other chapters staying behind on planets etc.

I don't read the novels. Evidently not enough planets.


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 Rippy wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Imperium deserves to lose, though. Lose hard.

They are far from winning, they are in worse position than 7th in fact, with half the galaxy being ripped apart by the warp.

Good.

 Freddy Kruger wrote:
I liked the new video, because of one thing - hope.

Let's face it, the Imperium of man has been fethed over a barrel of late. Chaos actually forcing them back in big battles, not raids, destroying Cadia too. The Tyranids are still om nom nomming their way through the galaxy, Orks still fighting. Because Orks. The Necron dynasties awakening, and while they are just as happy to fight everyone, guarantee they might go to far and literally kill the universe with some doomsday weapon they have. And the Tau being all upstart with their fancy Gundam suits. Bleh.

Now, the Imperium has SOMEONE to back. While old big E might be stuck on Terra, his son has ideas. Hell, even the sisters of silence, admech, custodes, other chapters and the Astra militarum will back old girly man till the galaxy shatters. He's the one example of over the top 40k that isn't full grimdark or hiding something. He's the closest we've had to a proper, good guy in so long, it feels... odd.

Here's to 8th edition. Where hopefully it will put the fun back into 40k.

Agreed. A lot of people get so focused on the "Grimdarkness" believing that in and of itself is enough. In reality "Grimdark with a spark of hope" gives you something to hold onto or root for. Otherwise you fall into (forgive me fore referencing tvtropes) Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

That is the lamest possible way they could have done this.

 Melissia wrote:
That is the lamest possible way they could have done this.

No, the lamest still goes to Certurions, space marines in space marines.

As long as they let me have Salamander nu-marines I'm fine. If it's all Ultra smurf nu-marines then I'm going to go Custodes.

 Rippy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That is the lamest possible way they could have done this.

No, the lamest still goes to Certurions, space marines in space marines.

Centurians aren't that bad conceptually. In practice however, they need work.

 Popsghostly wrote:
As long as they let me have Salamander nu-marines I'm fine. If it's all Ultra smurf nu-marines then I'm going to go Custodes.

They clearly said they are intended on being reinforcements for all chapters. Your lizardmen are fine

 Rippy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That is the lamest possible way they could have done this.

No, the lamest still goes to Certurions, space marines in space marines.

Centurions were introduced as "well we've always had this."

Lazy, yes, but acceptable.

This, though?

This comes across like they're screaming at us "HEY YOU LIKE ROBOUTE RIGHT WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ROBOUTE HERE WE'LL MAKE YOU LIKE HIM MORE BY HAVING HIM GIVE YOU SUPER-MARINES DON'T YOU LIKE MARINES THAT ARE MORE MARINES THAN THE OTHER MARINES WELL HE'S MAKING THEM BECAUSE HE'S AWESOME AND YOU LIKE HIM WHY DON'T YHOU LIKE HIM PLEASE LIKE ROBOUTE HE'LL BE LONELY IF YOU DON'T! HE'S OUR SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME CHARACTER WHO HAS NO FLAWS AND WILL ALWAYS WIN AND WE WILL DAMN SURE MAKE SURE OF IT!"

Just fething sad really.

 Melissia wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That is the lamest possible way they could have done this.

No, the lamest still goes to Certurions, space marines in space marines.

Centurions were introduced as "well we've always had this."

Lazy, yes, but acceptable.

This, though?

This comes across like they're screaming at us "HEY YOU LIKE ROBOUTE RIGHT WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ROBOUTE HERE WE'LL MAKE YOU LIKE HIM MORE BY HAVING HIM GIVE YOU SUPER-MARINES DON'T YOU LIKE MARINES THAT ARE MORE MARINES THAN THE OTHER MARINES WELL HE'S MAKING THEM BECAUSE HE'S AWESOME AND YOU LIKE HIM WHY DON'T YHOU LIKE HIM PLEASE LIKE ROBOUTE HE'LL BE LONELY IF YOU DON'T! HE'S OUR SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME CHARACTER WHO HAS NO FLAWS AND WILL ALWAYS WIN AND WE WILL DAMN SURE MAKE SURE OF IT!"

Just fething sad really.

Read my other post, it does make sense to try and trump CSM with better soldiers.

 Rippy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That is the lamest possible way they could have done this.

No, the lamest still goes to Certurions, space marines in space marines.

Centurions were introduced as "well we've always had this."

Lazy, yes, but acceptable.

This, though?

This comes across like they're screaming at us "HEY YOU LIKE ROBOUTE RIGHT WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ROBOUTE HERE WE'LL MAKE YOU LIKE HIM MORE BY HAVING HIM GIVE YOU SUPER-MARINES DON'T YOU LIKE MARINES THAT ARE MORE MARINES THAN THE OTHER MARINES WELL HE'S MAKING THEM BECAUSE HE'S AWESOME AND YOU LIKE HIM WHY DON'T YHOU LIKE HIM PLEASE LIKE ROBOUTE HE'LL BE LONELY IF YOU DON'T! HE'S OUR SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME CHARACTER WHO HAS NO FLAWS AND WILL ALWAYS WIN AND WE WILL DAMN SURE MAKE SURE OF IT!"

Just fething sad really.

Read my other post, it does make sense to try and trump CSM with better soldiers.

Bah! They'll just get Fabius Bile to make even better super soldiers to counter them.