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 Galas wrote:
What is FAAC?

Fluff At All Costs, opposite of WAAC

 Souleater wrote:
This is only going to exacerbate the perception of SM players that Xenos are just there to provide target practice for their Hero Dudesmen.

The reverse is mostly true atm. Rowboat himself sucks comparex to large tau suits

I posted this opinion in news and rumors, but since this the exact same topic I'll post it here too.

I thoroughly disliked the nu-marine concept until I realized that this can give gw some space to make female marines. If they take this "new-old-improved-tech" to expand them to both genders I will totally respect it.

 Insectum7 wrote:
I posted this opinion in news and rumors, but since this the exact same topic I'll post it here too.

I thoroughly disliked the nu-marine concept until I realized that this can give gw some space to make female marines. If they take this "new-old-improved-tech" to expand them to both genders I will totally respect it.

Oh dear, please don't bring SJW arguments here, there will be no femmarines. Just watch.

Not SJW, just anti asanine. If nu marines turn out to me really just the same old marines but 6" taller with some better stats, I will be sorely disappointed in gw for lack of initiative, creativity, etc.

Female marines at least signals to me that they're serious about expanding their market appeal, which I can't help but respect.

And from a product design perspective I think it'd be really clever. Cater to the hero marine fan boy, and at the same time broaden the appeal of the poster faction for 40k (and GW). That would be some crafty ****.

I'm with insectum7, a little inclusivity isn't going to hurt the game, probably the opposite. Besides, they already showed off female stormcast, and we know these will be space cast Eternals, so I wouldn't find it surprising at all. On that speculation alone, I will revise my opinion from hate it to wait and see

 Vaktathi wrote:
It's about the most ridiculous way they could have gone about introducing a new Space Marine kit...

Just when I thought 8E was on a great track...it looks like they're gonna be dead set on doing something stupid to the IP that's been keeping the game alive...

I mean...we've had "Space Marines...but better" in various guises for years, and initially their fluff was really good. The Custodes and Grey Knights for example. Then they started to get worse with stuff like 5E Ultramarines fluff. Now we're literally just getting "Bigger Better" marines...?

Like...is GW's dev studio really just that hard up for ideas?

Or they couldn't just rework the SM model line without hamfisting fluff behind it?

Um the fluff does exist. Read Corax's story line. This is possibly the marines that CORAX created back during the horus heresy. They were stronger, faster than the average space marine but they were corrupted by chaos way back. The emperor seemed to have alot more of those things lying around. Or it could possibly be the Thunder Warriors.

We aren't sure.... But I think these are the Corax Marines

 Insectum7 wrote:
I posted this opinion in news and rumors, but since this the exact same topic I'll post it here too.

I thoroughly disliked the nu-marine concept until I realized that this can give gw some space to make female marines. If they take this "new-old-improved-tech" to expand them to both genders I will totally respect it.

Im gonna stop you RIGHT THERE!

Lets not even open up the can o crap that is the femmarines please, that topic always ends badly.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
I posted this opinion in news and rumors, but since this the exact same topic I'll post it here too.

I thoroughly disliked the nu-marine concept until I realized that this can give gw some space to make female marines. If they take this "new-old-improved-tech" to expand them to both genders I will totally respect it.

Im gonna stop you RIGHT THERE!

AHAHA oh man, that is funny. As soon as I saw fem marines brought up I was waiting for inquisition to show up & say "SHUT IT DOWN!"

No one is opposed to fem marines, its just that the discussion always goes south. I do think women need more representation in 40k, but it should be limited to Sisters of Silence, Sisters of Battle, Assassins, Imperial Guard etc. Until one of the lost primarchs is found & just so happens to be female, it doesn't make sense for them to exist lorewise.

Regarding the new marines, I'm conflicted. The new marines look great but...doesn't this kind of go against the whole "Forget knowledge & understanding, there is only war" theme? I mean if all of the sudden the Imperium comes up with a host of new technology that kind of conflicts with the whole grimdark thing right? GW needs to tread lightly. To many sci-fi settings have attempted to re-brand themselves to attract a wider audience and failed catastrophically. Its why many of us are here and not there.

Not a space marine player but...isn't this going to bring space marine sales to a grinding halt???

Like why would you buy normal space marines right now when the future of these new space marines is unknown? Are they elite like custodes units or do these completely replace normal space marines? Are they limited to Ultramarines? Many questions.

 Rippy wrote:
SJW

Don't bring your antifeminist politics here and then complain about other people supposedly bringing politics in to the game.

Just makes you a hypocrite.

Your politics are no less annoying than what you decry as "SJW".

Female Space Marines... Cool... Who cares...

Space Marines but slightly more Space Marined... really? That's lame...

Legendary Primarchs from the ancient war? This is the worst... I want to see the story ADVANCE... not regress...

Introduce NEW people, new HEROES. Make them rise from the struggles of the current time. Make it be from a Ultramarine who was there during the Damocles Campaign against Tau. Who led a small warband deep into the Tau line, only to have the Tau retreat for the Tyranid invasion. As he carved his way thru hordes of Tyranids trying to regroup back to the main force. Cut off from resources and reinforcements. Once successful, he is promoted and made into a standard commander and goes off on other important missions... until he faces a threat too big to handle but DIES HEROICALLY.

That's the gak I want, I don't want to see a 20,000 year old grandpa who emphasizes the idea that nothing will ever really change. That the setting is just an empty performance, with no stakes on anything that happens.

I'm not too bothered by the new Space Marines myself, it's just more Space Marines. Though I wonder if this is just justifying bigger models or a new Elite type unit.. Or faction, hm.

 Insectum7 wrote:
I posted this opinion in news and rumors, but since this the exact same topic I'll post it here too.

I thoroughly disliked the nu-marine concept until I realized that this can give gw some space to make female marines. If they take this "new-old-improved-tech" to expand them to both genders I will totally respect it.

It does side-step the old 'Marines can only be male' fluff without actually retconning it, which is a huge step up in terms of background writing. I despise retcons for being so damned lazy.

I wonder if Super Marines will be Elites in a Space Marine force but also available in their own Codex? If they don't get their own codex I will be very surprised.

If both of these come to be true I can make a legion of Valkyries to troll my SW mate.


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Martel732 wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
This is only going to exacerbate the perception of SM players that Xenos are just there to provide target practice for their Hero Dudesmen.

The reverse is mostly true atm. Rowboat himself sucks comparex to large tau suits

Oh, I play Tyranids. Everyone thinks I am there for Bolterdrill.

Reboot Guilliman!

I believe these new super space marines will be classed as a separate small faction that can be interwoven with existing Space Marine and Imperial forces. I doubt they will be a wholesale replacement for every space marine because that would cost a huge amount of money for a whole new line and would be a logistical nightmare to do. If it where true then they would have to do the same at some point for chaos. I highly doubt this.

Now focusing on the fluff, they are dusting off some ancient tech knowledge with a bit of forward thinking experimentation to create a stronger force for the Imperium. They could be grown like clones in a process similar to the creation of the primarchs or in a gene enhancing process similar to how Space Marines have been made for centuries. What people over look is that they aren't going to replace every marine in every Chapter for a very long time, unless all the chapters get massacred and can't recruit fast enough to replace the losses. I see this new force as an elite reinforcement army rather than a complete refit.

As always time will tell.

I hope the SuperMarines aren't vat grown clones or something, Space Marines are at their most intreasting when they have that connection to humanity

 Melissia wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
SJW

Don't bring your antifeminist politics here and then complain about other people supposedly bringing politics in to the game.

Just makes you a hypocrite.

Your politics are no less annoying than what you decry as "SJW".

How is it anti-femanist, I am 100% femanist actually. I fully support my wife, and other women who suffer in the work place to due gender politics. It still doesn't mean that women should be in combat positions where they can't make the fitness grade. If they can make it, so be it.
It has already been written in to the fluff that women can't be space marines due to the implants, I am sorry our genetic make up is different.
That isn't a feminist issue, that is a safety issue.
SJWs will fight any fight in the wrong way, for the wrong reasons, just for the sake of fighting. Nice try though mate.

Edit: I was in the military, so maybe I am biased on this one, and look at it from a less naieve position than you?

Edit 2: Infact, SJWs often undermine the femanist movement.


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BrianDavion wrote:
I hope the SuperMarines aren't vat grown clones or something, Space Marines are at their most intreasting when they have that connection to humanity

I 100% agree with this, I love that there is still a little humanity at the very base if the metaphorical space marine ice berg of psyche.

I'm not over keen on these new Marines. If they left it at "here's a new armour mark, and a new developed bolter!" that would be fine, for me. We've had that before, and would fit with developing new tech, but still restrained by grimdarkness etc etc.
A full new Space Marine+1 biology? I'm not so sure I like that.

On FemMarines, this is a better way to introduce them that making standard SM mixed gender. If these nu-Marines are mixed gender, I won't complain one bit. I trust they'd be equally as physically capable as their male counterparts, and I think it would work.

However, I personally just don't quite agree with the nu-marines themselves, not because they could be female, but because they seem a little too "oh, the Space Marines are now irrelevant because we have THESE GUYS AND THEY'RE SPECIAL SPACE MARINES+1!" I'm still open to seeing what this holds.

 Rippy wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
SJW

Don't bring your antifeminist politics here and then complain about other people supposedly bringing politics in to the game.

Just makes you a hypocrite.

Your politics are no less annoying than what you decry as "SJW".

How is it anti-femanist, I am 100% femanist actually. I fully support my wife, and other women who suffer in the work place to due gender politics. It still doesn't mean that women should be in combat positions where they can't make the fitness grade. If they can make it, so be it.
It has already been written in to the fluff that women can't be space marines due to the implants, I am sorry our genetic make up is different.
That isn't a feminist issue, that is a safety issue.
SJWs will fight any fight in the wrong way, for the wrong reasons, just for the sake of fighting. Nice try though mate.

Edit: I was in the military, so maybe I am biased on this one, and look at it from a less naieve position than you?

Edit 2: Infact, SJWs often undermine the femanist movement.


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BrianDavion wrote:
I hope the SuperMarines aren't vat grown clones or something, Space Marines are at their most intreasting when they have that connection to humanity

I 100% agree with this, I love that there is still a little humanity at the very base if the metaphorical space marine ice berg of psyche.

that and all the marines that are most well liked are the ones most humans. what I'd kinda like to see is this maybe being something that can be applied to a normal human. so that the Super Marines aren't children raised up etc, but are the greatest heros of man kind raised up to new heights. yesterdays guardman is tomorrows super soldier!

Sigh... so now we're at

-Tactical squad box
-MK3 tactical squad
-MK4 tactical squad
-Space Wolves box
-Blood angels box
-Dark angel vets box
-Deathwatch vets box
-Sternguard box
-Nu-marine Tempestuscast Infinitals tactical box

Giving Grey Knights a pass because they at least have different basic weapons.

But we now have 9, count em freakin' NINE ways to build primarily bolter-armed power armor loyalist infantry available. Chaos Marine players are still converting all the drastically different chaos god aesthetics from one horrible, heavily khorne-themed 3rd or 4th edition plastic kit box. Guard, Eldar, Nids (?), Orks, and Necrons are also all building their basic bread and butter infantry unit from a 3rd/4th era plastic kit, most with absolutely no or minimal variance between the different models or poseability. The only other main faction who's had a basic troop box rework in the span of the last FOUR tactical squad box releases is Tau.

Are we going to see plastic kits for all nine marks of power armor tacticals before GW decides to give a single gak about any other faction in the game? Place your bets, place your bets!

Oooohhh, female Space Marines would be cool. I'd like to have the option of having a solidly female army without having to do SoB. It's always nice to have the option of mixing things up, so I hope they go down that route.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Not SJW, just anti asanine. If nu marines turn out to me really just the same old marines but 6" taller with some better stats, I will be sorely disappointed in gw for lack of initiative, creativity, etc.

Female marines at least signals to me that they're serious about expanding their market appeal, which I can't help but respect.

And from a product design perspective I think it'd be really clever. Cater to the hero marine fan boy, and at the same time broaden the appeal of the poster faction for 40k (and GW). That would be some crafty ****.

Women in general don't like competitive games they like co-op games, all forcing femarines does is alienate existing customers which are already way down in numbers and skittish.

Look at how disastrous it was for marvels sales when they tried it.

Its fine for men and women to have different hobbies.

@the_scotsman: I expect Ynnari to get filled out before the rest of the Chaos Legions barring Nurgle. Maybe Demiurg.

Off topic, ALL OF YOU; this isn't about femarines, feminism, or SJW.

It's about some goddamn vatgrown plastic marines, of which IF THEY ARE INDEED VATGROWN which I suspect, they would have no gender features beyond those associated with any process that brings about the most desired soldier machine features, like a gak ton of testoserone.

I also think the technology is likely associated with what Corax worked with in attempting to revive his legion. Time will tell, but I question if Chaos will have their own version of them? Are they immune to Chaos like the GK?

 Talamare wrote:
Introduce NEW people, new HEROES. Make them rise from the struggles of the current time. Make it be from a Ultramarine who was there during the Damocles Campaign against Tau. Who led a small warband deep into the Tau line, only to have the Tau retreat for the Tyranid invasion. As he carved his way thru hordes of Tyranids trying to regroup back to the main force. Cut off from resources and reinforcements. Once successful, he is promoted and made into a standard commander and goes off on other important missions... until he faces a threat too big to handle but DIES HEROICALLY.

That's the gak I want, I don't want to see a 20,000 year old grandpa who emphasizes the idea that nothing will ever really change. That the setting is just an empty performance, with no stakes on anything that happens.

Agree 100%. In fact, reading this made me a little sad for the epic stories of heroic yet ultimately ineffective sacrifice against an indomitable enemy that I doubt we'll ever get to see.

Instead, uber jesus Mk. II is leading an uber army or uber marines (who are already uber humans) against what is supposed to be a virtually unbeatable enemy, but even with the practically omniscient characters on their side will still get pwned by the power of HUMANITY! YEAH!

 Quickjager wrote:
Off topic, ALL OF YOU; this isn't about femarines, feminism, or SJW.

It's about some goddamn vatgrown plastic marines, of which IF THEY ARE INDEED VATGROWN which I suspect, they would have no gender features beyond those associated with any process that brings about the most desired soldier machine features, like a gak ton of testoserone.

I also think the technology is likely associated with what Corax worked with in attempting to revive his legion. Time will tell, but I question if Chaos will have their own version of them? Are they immune to Chaos like the GK?

Yeah but you brought it up lol, its like a can on worms man, the second you mention it BAM! it blows up.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Now if I can just get Lynata active again...

So… basically you want to troll people?

 Rippy wrote:
Oh dear, please don't bring SJW arguments here

Ahah you wrote “SJW” .

 Rippy wrote:
How is it anti-femanist, I am 100% femanist actually.

Yes, YES, you are very femanist, you are such a femanist that you think femane should be allowed to vote! You like femane very much.

 Rippy wrote:
It still doesn't mean that women should be in combat positions where they can't make the fitness grade. If they can make it, so be it.

So, you are talking about the fact that female made-up marine-ier marine that are made using dark magic and seem vat-grown or something from the video should only be in combat position if they can make the fitness grade?
I smell someone trying to bring real-world politics into the discussion lol. That's the femanist guy if you are wondering.

 Rippy wrote:
It has already been written in to the fluff that women can't be space marines due to the implants, I am sorry our genetic make up is different.

Yeah but why couldn't they be turned into space marines ++, that use different implants, beside of course the fact you hate the idea of having powerful women characters in 40k, you silly femanist ?

 Rippy wrote:
That isn't a feminist issue, that is a safety issue.

Safety issue? In the Imperium? I smell femanist bias!

 Rippy wrote:
SJWs will fight any fight in the wrong way, for the wrong reasons, just for the sake of fighting. Nice try though mate.

Unlike brave femanists like you, who will bravely fight for the safety issue of woman space marines++ that should be kept out of combat roles because you decided that they couldn't pass the fitness grave despite them not even existing.
You sure know how to pick your femanist fights!

 Rippy wrote:
Edit: I was in the military, so maybe I am biased on this one, and look at it from a less naieve position than you?

No, it's more about you being a femanist. Tons of people are in the military and yet are still able to tell the difference between 40k and the real world. And I suppose that when you are not trying to prove your femanist point against SJW, you are too. Sadly, here, you were trying to prove your femanist point.

hobojebus wrote:
all forcing femarines does is alienate existing customers

Only the kind of femanist customers that are alienated by the idea that there are women in their armies. How do you sleep at night knowing of Shadowsun, Jain-Zar etc?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
How do you sleep at night knowing of Shadowsun, Jain-Zar etc?

They must be transvestites, there is no other explanation.

Especially relevant explanation for Shadowsun ^^.

I really don't need to prove myself to you Hybrid. My wife proudly calls me a feminist, she is one of the most active feminists I know, and she can happily admit that women are not strong enough for special forces around the world.

If you are making the best of the best, you would chose the genetically stronger. I wouldn't care about there being female space marines, it just doesn't make sense to me. Look at special forces from around the world. There is no need to be offended.

I am not strong enough to be in the special forces, I don't think I could be physically capable, though at the current standard for most militaries around the world, only men ARE strong enough. This is not offensive, so crawl back in to your hole.


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Also Eldar aren't human, so why would anyone question any of them genetically based on gender?


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On that note, it does depend on how these are created. If they are vat grown, they really shouldn't have any genders, or both genders so they can reproduce.

If it is old school style of implants, then put in the vats, there is a massively high failure rate as it is.