40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**Robin5t**

Yeah, my bad, 2HP.

Also, Nid faction focus is out.

**BroodSpawn**

17" + 2D6 potential threat range with genestealers. I approve of this.

**Youn**

Spoiler:

Yes, but your drop pod then becomes an area denial object instead. Would you move a unit within 8" of something with a flamer if you didn't have to?

**changemod**

I can't follow the logic where he's claiming warriors are more durable with the same wounds and toughness: If anything, multiple wound weapons being a thing means they're more vulnerable than now.

**xttz**

I think he's trying to say that without ID, it's riskier to take them out with heavy weapons as you're not guaranteed to one-shot them anymore.

edit: I don't mind Warriors still being slightly squishy if they're at least more cost-effective to field. Better movement and lower costs per model could help them a lot.

**BroodSpawn**

changemod wrote:
I can't follow the logic where he's claiming warriors are more durable with the same wounds and toughness: If anything, multiple wound weapons being a thing means they're more vulnerable than now.

What if instant death isn't a thing? Currently if you fire a lascannon at a Warrior, and hit, unless you roll that mythical 1 to wound you've just taken it off the table. However let's say you hit, wound but roll a 1 or 2 for amount of damage (assuming unsaved, no Catalyst, etc.). That means you've not removed a 3W model from the table with 1 shot.

**changemod**

xttz wrote:
I think he's trying to say that without ID, it's riskier to take them out with heavy weapons as you're not guaranteed to one-shot them anymore.

I feel that the chance a lascannon might roll a 1 or 2 is outweighed by in-between weapons that roll D3 blending them faster.

In practice they might well be fractionally more durable, but I honestly doubt it.

**Future War Cultist**

With the new transport rules we're already seeing new tactics emerging. That's got to be good right.

**Youn**

Odd, I cannot see where the nid faction is out.

**Thud**

Youn wrote:
Odd, I cannot see where the nid faction is out.

Here you go:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tyranids/

**davou**

omg yes, synapse gives new-fearless!

**ImAGeek**

Youn wrote:
Odd, I cannot see where the nid faction is out.

On the community site.

**xttz**

Youn wrote:
Odd, I cannot see where the nid faction is out.

Tip for everyone F5'ing each day: if you have the site filtered on article tags like 'warhammer-40000' there's often a caching delay before you see it. Refreshing the main page shows the article as soon as it's posted.

**changemod**

Combo:

Deep strike in a Trygon turn one.

Have the Swarmlord move, then in the shooting phase have him select the Trygon move.

Guaranteed charge.

**Galas**

The Tyranid article sounds very good. I think my Genestealer Cult will bring a good amount of Genestealers to the table

**Binabik15**

Hah, my "Tartaros lower legs on Bloodwarrior bodies" Berzerkers should fit right in with loyalist based on nuMarines. Very good.

**Vector Strike**

Why do genestealers have an invul save? what's the fluff perspective of this?

**Future War Cultist**

Wow, the nids look deadly now! Happy days!

**xttz**

Vector Strike wrote:
Why do genestealers have an invul save? what's the fluff perspective of this?

Lightning fast agility, kinda like Imperial Assassins. They were given one in the GSC codex too, but the Tyranid codex missed out on any improvements

**davou**

Vector Strike wrote:
Why do genestealers have an invul save? what's the fluff perspective of this?

The rules of a game don't need a fluff justification, and in fact in the past when that was blindly applied it resulted in a broken ass game. They have an invuln save because they are decently expensive and need to weather a bunch of shooting before they get to do their work.

**DrLoveMonkey**

changemod wrote:
I can't follow the logic where he's claiming warriors are more durable with the same wounds and toughness: If anything, multiple wound weapons being a thing means they're more vulnerable than now.

In addition to what other people have been saying autocannons now wound them on 3+ not 2+. Same with plasma and multi lasers and all that.

Also I'm sorry GW berserkers are the best combat unit in the game? Meaning they're better than those genestealers? wtf dudes!? How powerful are they?!

**Robin5t**

Vector Strike wrote:
Why do genestealers have an invul save? what's the fluff perspective of this?

Dodging, basically. They're crazy fast.

**Mr Morden**

Vector Strike wrote:
Why do genestealers have an invul save? what's the fluff perspective of this?

Super fast reflexes enable them to dodge (unless of course in a bolter porn novel in which case they have the Bolt Magnet and Squishy Rules, always hit them on a 2+ and wound on a 2+ and have puny claws just like the Primer

)

Good that Synapse still ignores Morale

So it should

**CthuluIsSpy**

Vector Strike wrote:
Why do genestealers have an invul save? what's the fluff perspective of this?

Same reason why wyches get one. They can dodge.
Though apparently stealers also get it against shooting, so I guess they're even better at dodging.

**Mr Morden**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Vector Strike wrote:
Why do genestealers have an invul save? what's the fluff perspective of this?

Same reason why wyches get one. They can dodge.
Though apparently stealers also get it against shooting, so I guess they're even better at dodging.

Not quite as good at as Wyches in CC but they are sneaky as well which helps against Shooting

Only bad thing Is I really hope that Elar don;t get the -4 to saves on a 6 for their shuriken weapons.

**Shadow Walker**

I wonder what number of wounds is needed for a model to have M, S, A etc. reduction table. Swarmie is W12 and Dread is W8 only.

**endlesswaltz123**

DrLoveMonkey wrote:
changemod wrote:
I can't follow the logic where he's claiming warriors are more durable with the same wounds and toughness: If anything, multiple wound weapons being a thing means they're more vulnerable than now.

In addition to what other people have been saying autocannons now wound them on 3+ not 2+. Same with plasma and multi lasers and all that.

Also I'm sorry GW berserkers are the best combat unit in the game? Meaning they're better than those genestealers? wtf dudes!? How powerful are they?!

Base rules Bezerkers may not be, but with chain axes (probably giving plus one attack like chainswords and maybe another buff) plus whatever the hell buffs chorine gives, and unit multipliers like the patriarch gives, they could still be better than GS's.

**Galas**

Shadow Walker wrote:
I wonder what number of wounds is needed for a model to have M, S, A etc. reduction table. Swarmie is W12 and Dread is W8 only.

I'll say that probably 11 or more.

**Robin5t**

To be fair, they only said Khorne Berserkers were 'possibly' the best combat unit in the game. Genestealers may be one of the other contenders.

**davou**

sad that the swarmlord didn't make it under the wound limit to be un-targetable. With that exta move ability hes going to be enemy number one every game.