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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/11/new-warhammer-40000-datasheetsgw-homepage-post-4/

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 Tiberius501 wrote:
The link is telling me the page doesn't exist anymore

The linked worked for me...

Where are the points?

Ah the link is working for me now. Not sure why it was derping haha.

I really like the layout, very similar to AoS actually. Melee weapons look pretty awesome

Power is narrative points.

Matched points aren't on the datasheet apparently, maybe in a separate list in the codex?

So Dark Angels, Faction Keyword: Astartes, Heretic Astartes, or both?

thats cool but man its a lot of info.
no index cards for these datasheets.

I can see rhinos of flamer equipped rubrics making people have a bad day. I like that.

It will depend on their cost though. If they are still overcost for what they do compared to other units, then they will continue to never be seen on the table...

Universal Special Rules are gone?

Now... I 100% agree that the game did NOT need 2/3rds of the Universal Special Rules.

but removing ALL of them seems excessive.

There is a point where it's streamlining... and a point where its dumbing down.


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Also, Why bother making the Psykers smite so damn long and pointless...

Wouldn't it have been WAY EASIER AND SIMPLER to create a new power called ... MINOR SMITE...

and then just say
Aspiring Psyker has MINOR SMITE

because I don't doubt that there will be other Psykers around with this Minor Smite.

By the Emperor those Rubric Marines look horrifying now.

2+ saves against small arms.
The Soulreaper cannon is an absolute beast. -3 armour shred! 4 shots full accuracy on the move...will be reliably plinking a few guys out of cover or 1-2 wounds off a vehicle a turn..

This edition actually looks like a fun playable tabletop experience, I can't wait.

Swords have more armour shred and less bonus str than axes which in turn have more/less than staves/mauls. Interesting thats how they're going with balance. Mauls are really go to against T3 mooks while force swords are better against T6 tough bastards.

 Talamare wrote:
Universal Special Rules are gone?

Now... I 100% agree that the game did NOT need 2/3rds of the Universal Special Rules.

but removing ALL of them seems excessive.

There is a point where it's streamlining... and a point where its dumbing down.


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Also, Why bother making the Psykers smite so damn long and pointless...

Wouldn't it have been WAY EASIER AND SIMPLER to create a new power called ... MINOR SMITE...

and then just say
Aspiring Psyker has MINOR SMITE

because I don't doubt that there will be other Psykers around with this Minor Smite.

It's not dumbing it down, it's just writing the rules the unit have on their sheet rather than having them written elsewhere. It's more about ease of use.

Who'd have thought thousand sons would be scary?

As for "dumbing down", no I don't see putting USRs on the datasheets as dumbing anything down unless one purposely liked "obscure rules mastery" as a "skill" that they could beat others with. I prefer the rules being on the datasheets and not having to memorize a 300 page rulebook.

On paper, Tsons finally look pretty scary (though points costs for competitive play have yet to be seen) and very fluffy, pretty pleased with what I'm seeing there in general thus far.

The layout and function of the datasheet looks fairly clean and functional, nice having *everything* for the unit (weapons, USR's, options, etc) on a single page, I'm liking that.

All is Dust seems like an interesting return to 3E where they were immune to S4 and under.

But in this case D1 includes alot more then just standard infantry weapons given that we know the Heavy Bolter is S5 which adds an interesting element to how tanky they are given that they can go into cover for another +1 benefit.

I really dont get the point of (Im paraphrasing)

'Hey guys look how great it is that you dont have to cross reference your rules any more'

while also effectively saying:

'Oh btw you now have to cross reference your points costs instead. Yes we could have put them on the sheet, but we didnt'.


And now I'm afraid that there is effectively going to be a 'matched play tax' where those who want to actually play matched games have to pay what is effectively dlc to get their point costs.

Admittedly this is pure conjecture, but Im still not 100% trusting of the 'new GW'.

 Talamare wrote:
Also, Why bother making the Psykers smite so damn long and pointless...

Wouldn't it have been WAY EASIER AND SIMPLER to create a new power called ... MINOR SMITE...

and then just say
Aspiring Psyker has MINOR SMITE

because I don't doubt that there will be other Psykers around with this Minor Smite.

Absolutely agreed. There is no point what so ever in creating this kind of potential confusion. They could have called it anything else. Minor Smite is nice because it doesn't eventually make people go "WAIT A MINUTE! MY SKILL DONG SMASH IS BASICALLY JUST A SH*TTY SMITE!" but anything would have worked, just to not have people make assumptions or have misunderstandings.

On the topic of the Rubric Marines though, these guys have a 2+ armour save against most weapons carried by other troops. That's a really nifty special rule.

secretForge wrote:
I really dont get the point of (Im paraphrasing)

'Hey guys look how great it is that you dont have to cross reference your rules any more'

while also effectively saying:

'Oh btw you now have to cross reference your points costs instead. Yes we could have put them on the sheet, but we didnt'.


And now I'm afraid that there is effectively going to be a 'matched play tax' where those who want to actually play matched games have to pay what is effectively dlc to get their point costs.

Admittedly this is pure conjecture, but Im still not 100% trusting of the 'new GW'.

Uh matched play has been known to require purchases like from day 1

 Purifier wrote:

 Talamare wrote:
Also, Why bother making the Psykers smite so damn long and pointless...

Wouldn't it have been WAY EASIER AND SIMPLER to create a new power called ... MINOR SMITE...

and then just say
Aspiring Psyker has MINOR SMITE

because I don't doubt that there will be other Psykers around with this Minor Smite.

Absolutely agreed. There is no point what so ever in creating this kind of potential confusion. They could have called it anything else. Minor Smite is nice because it doesn't eventually make people go "WAIT A MINUTE! MY SKILL DONG SMASH IS BASICALLY JUST A SH*TTY SMITE!" but anything would have worked, just to not have people make assumptions or have misunderstandings.

On the topic of the Rubric Marines though, these guys have a 2+ armour save against most weapons carried by other troops. That's a really nifty special rule.

I think it's because Smite is a spell every Psyker knows, so they had to specify that when these lesser wizards use it, it's not as good.

warpflamers suddenly look really useful. Glad I kept the bits. Oh and we can give our Aspiring Sorcs melee weapons again!

They may not just one-shot marines anymore but they can now do some major on bigger targets. I can't wait to see the Scarab Occult.

The twist on the Smite power is interesting, shows that the Aspiring Sorc isn't as powerful as a full Sorc.

Curious what Death to the False Emperor and the Icon of Flame does. Hopefully DttFE and the Icon are useful compared to forced challenges and Soul Burn

'Oh btw you now have to cross reference your points costs instead. Yes we could have put them on the sheet, but we didnt'.

Yeah but that's something you only need to reference once just as a match begins, it's not something you need to check every so often during the game proper.

tneva82 wrote:

secretForge wrote:
I really dont get the point of (Im paraphrasing)

'Hey guys look how great it is that you dont have to cross reference your rules any more'

while also effectively saying:

'Oh btw you now have to cross reference your points costs instead. Yes we could have put them on the sheet, but we didnt'.


And now I'm afraid that there is effectively going to be a 'matched play tax' where those who want to actually play matched games have to pay what is effectively dlc to get their point costs.

Admittedly this is pure conjecture, but Im still not 100% trusting of the 'new GW'.

Uh matched play has been known to require purchases like from day 1

Yep, And ill still make those purchases, but Id rather spend my money and have sheets which have my rules and point values, not have one set of rules and one set of point values to cross reference whenever I want to write an army list, while having GW tell me that they have change the arrangement of things to make it easier to keep track of stuff.

Cross referencing points takes about 20 seconds while constructing my army list. After that I don't need to look at it anymore.

USRs sprinkled through 300 pages of rules-lawyerese rulebook takes several trips to it during a game to spend 5-10 minutes looking up rules every so often.

They're all right I guess but it'll really come down to how much weapons will deal 1 damage.

Even with all these rules, I'd like to see them become cheaper compared to todays standard. They've always paid a heavy tax for a psyker which wasn't useful. Now it seems like they're making him a tad weaker than your average psyker.

DaPino wrote:
They're all right I guess but it'll really come down to how much weapons will deal 1 damage.

Just take a look at the choices of the rubrics themselves. It's every bog standard rifle, and quite a few others.

If they're priced accordingly that won't be an issue. RIght now the aspiriring sorcerer is an expensive battery for Magnus/Ahriman.

I like the buff against smal arms fire tough, big problem currently is that TS pay a alot for that inv save that doesn't come up enough to justify it and usually ends up adding nothing to their survivability.

DaPino wrote:
They're all right I guess but it'll really come down to how much weapons will deal 1 damage.

Even with all these rules, I'd like to see them become cheaper compared to todays standard. They've always paid a heavy tax for a psyker which wasn't useful. Now it seems like they're making him a tad weaker than your average psyker.

Well now he is reliable i ignore all saves and toughness wound maker.

I love the idea of power.

We don't need to worry about the point difference between a Warpflamer and an inferno pistol. Because the power of the unit is 8, and it tells you what you can take.

There are quite a few people I play with who hate the points system, but don't want to play unbound.

I'm hoping this is implemented well, because i'm really excited for this. Hopefully in the future it can replace points altogether.

So does this mean the end of the codex? All we need are these data sheets?

 Marmatag wrote:

There are quite a few people I play with who hate the points system, but don't want to play unbound.

Unbound doesn't replace the points system in the current version. An Unbound army is still bound by points, you can just buy your units from wherever.
That said, you could of course just say "no points, we bring anything we want to the table!" There's nothing stopping you from playing however you want.