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 Gamgee wrote:
People thought I was crazy for not getting a game as Tau at my local store. feth all the gak holes here man. Who will be banned from playing games next? I know lots of whiners follow up Tau with Eldar. Are Nu-Marines next?

Have you read the nu-marines war scroll?

Assuming that they have the appropriate points costs that they should have, given their stat line, they're going to be trash tier.

 Gamgee wrote:
People thought I was crazy for not getting a game as Tau at my local store. feth all the gak holes here man. Who will be banned from playing games next? I know lots of whiners follow up Tau with Eldar. Are Nu-Marines next?

you don't get to dictate how other people play with their toy soldiers. personally for me it depends on what army i have on me and what you are running. I use take all comers lists in 3 str(tournament str, middle str and fluff/easy), but if i brought my orks (fav army) I have no interest in a tournament level tau. if i brought my elder or space marines game on cheese gets cheese though if you did not bring a stormsurge i am probably going middle list and no/1 riptide reaching for the fluff lists and will probably have a good time

now on the elder and marine front I also have no desire to put my orks against wraithknights and/ or gladius. though honestly it is more a function of my gakky codex having no answer than wnting to play

So flamers still auto-hit on overwatch. I sure hope it's not D6 auto-hits, that seems like too much. The only good thing is, it looks like you can only overwatch with weapons that have range on your target, so it might not be too bad.

I'm also not a fan of retreating from combat without penalties. At the very least it shouldn't be too common, especially at release. Otherwise I'm afraid we'll soon end up with 7th edition, where many rules are just ignored by a so many units (I'm assuming crisis will still be easy to spam). If it's just a few specific models (like the SS or the coldstar), I can live with it, but if 2/3 of the army get to ignore what is supposed to be a core rule, I think there's a problem.

As for the actual buff, it all depends on point costs and possible counter measures from other armies. We also saw that, at least in some scenarios, we can deploy 18" away from the enemy. So T1 charges are probably going to be common. Massed overwatch and retreat from combat might be needed for shooty armies.

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
People thought I was crazy for not getting a game as Tau at my local store. feth all the gak holes here man. Who will be banned from playing games next? I know lots of whiners follow up Tau with Eldar. Are Nu-Marines next?

you don't get to dictate how other people play with their toy soldiers. personally for me it depends on what army i have on me and what you are running. I use take all comers lists in 3 str(tournament str, middle str and fluff/easy), but if i brought my orks (fav army) I have no interest in a tournament level tau. if i brought my elder or space marines game on cheese gets cheese though if you did not bring a stormsurge i am probably going middle list and no/1 riptide reaching for the fluff lists and will probably have a good time

Well I play anyone except cheaters. I would have anyways if my community didn't ban Tau players. Now all I can do is basically seethe in anger at the thought of never getting a game here again because of little gaks who were too afraid or too full of hate to let a Tau newbie run a Kroot list or even talk to him like he wasn't some sort of fething pariah. It seems everyone else gets to dictate the Tau can't play where I am form my perspective.

Hypocritical people piss me off so much.

Banning all of Tau seems a bit extreme.

 Gamgee wrote:
People thought I was crazy for not getting a game as Tau at my local store. feth all the gak holes here man. Who will be banned from playing games next? I know lots of whiners follow up Tau with Eldar. Are Nu-Marines next?

I don't think people ever thought it was a problem with the Tau in your case.

Martel732 wrote:
Banning all of Tau seems a bit extreme.

It's not an official ban, but no Tau player can get games there except one long time regular who has an IG army. Any other who try and get into the community are silently shunned. Very cult like attitude.

Martel732 wrote:
Banning all of Tau seems a bit extreme.

Agreed.

Kroot spam should be allowed.

Oh, and did I forget to mention they have the Fly keyword? This allows them to Fall Back from combat and still shoot at full effect. Brutal

Whut.... why : \

How are they ever going to balance out my orks against this,..

Also Characters are as good as dead vs snipers now.

 Gamgee wrote:
People thought I was crazy for not getting a game as Tau at my local store. feth all the gak holes here man. Who will be banned from playing games next? I know lots of whiners follow up Tau with Eldar. Are Nu-Marines next?

I imagine if Nu-Marines are as unfun to play against as Tau and Eldar can be, then yes.

It's this: against some Tau and Eldar lists, the other player often DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE! I have never minded being bested by superior players (of which there are many). I don't like losing to rules.

You might be a very fair, not at all dickish Tau player who takes a balanced list and doesn't get up to shenanigans. If you are, I salute you. While I wouldn't flat-out turn down a game based on the faction alone, I would ask what they were bringing, and if the answer seemed unfun I'd pass.

 Traditio wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Banning all of Tau seems a bit extreme.

Agreed.

Kroot spam should be allowed.

Unless the Kroot player is facing White Scars...

I have been trying to decide on what army to start for 8th edition now my nids are pretty much complete/too bloated to really add anything to.
About a week ago I decided on a mechanised infantry Tau over Elysian drop troops (largely due to cost).
I don't want to have picked this army to now see it likely OP but does a mech inf tau list seem like it would perform well enough to be fun.
I battled some mech inf lists in 7th edition and transports are so easy to pop it takes all the manoeuvre out of the army

 Gamgee wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
People thought I was crazy for not getting a game as Tau at my local store. feth all the gak holes here man. Who will be banned from playing games next? I know lots of whiners follow up Tau with Eldar. Are Nu-Marines next?

you don't get to dictate how other people play with their toy soldiers. personally for me it depends on what army i have on me and what you are running. I use take all comers lists in 3 str(tournament str, middle str and fluff/easy), but if i brought my orks (fav army) I have no interest in a tournament level tau. if i brought my elder or space marines game on cheese gets cheese though if you did not bring a stormsurge i am probably going middle list and no/1 riptide reaching for the fluff lists and will probably have a good time

Well I play anyone except cheaters. I would have anyways if my community didn't ban Tau players. Now all I can do is basically seethe in anger at the thought of never getting a game here again because of little gaks who were too afraid or too full of hate to let a Tau newbie run a Kroot list or even talk to him like he wasn't some sort of fething pariah. It seems everyone else gets to dictate the Tau can't play where I am form my perspective.

that just sounds like an awful crowd, kroot list can be quite fun and also get a bottom tier fun list. btu they get the hate on the big stuff for a reason, that is why i always want to know what of the big stuff is there before saying yes or no to a game. hoping gw fixes point costs for riptides and stormsurges in 8th, currently it might nto be so bad if they were point appropriate but gw wanted it seems to push big new plastic kits so they got about a 30% points cut off what should be

People think I act like this in real life? Your crazy. I'm very well spoken and polite in real life. You would never know it was me. Heck I was getting along fine with them at first. Then I mentioned Tau and the silent treatment started and has not stopped a year later. At least the owners are not so bigoted.

Actually the owners don't even want to play the dumb ass 40k community anymore. I don't blame them. I've gone into this enough in the past it should be old hat by now though. The owners sold off all their 40k models.

I can see why. I feel like I need to start a private club of not gak human beings at this point.

 oldzoggy wrote:

Oh, and did I forget to mention they have the Fly keyword? This allows them to Fall Back from combat and still shoot at full effect. Brutal

Whut.... why : \

How are they ever going to balance out my orks against this,..

Also Characters are as good as dead vs snipers now.

Just to reiterate:
There was no mention of Sniper Drones being able to do the same thing despite having "Fly".

I made a mention in another thread about how it's very likely we have some rules we're missing and that this is another case of the article having been potentially sanitized or the writer having problems communicating their point across.

All right that seems to be all sorts of offtopic.
Can we go back to being terrified by the new T'au again ?

 oldzoggy wrote:
All right that seems to be all sorts of offtopic.
Can we go back to being terrified by the new T'au again ?

I'm not terrified by the new T'au.

No, no. GW is simply giving us a keyword system for declining or accepting games.

If your opponent's army has the key word "daemons," then go get him!

If your opponent's army has the key words "eldar" or "Tau," then politely decline and go find that daemons player.

I, for one, will say that such keyword systems can be very useful.

 Gamgee wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
People thought I was crazy for not getting a game as Tau at my local store. feth all the gak holes here man. Who will be banned from playing games next? I know lots of whiners follow up Tau with Eldar. Are Nu-Marines next?

you don't get to dictate how other people play with their toy soldiers. personally for me it depends on what army i have on me and what you are running. I use take all comers lists in 3 str(tournament str, middle str and fluff/easy), but if i brought my orks (fav army) I have no interest in a tournament level tau. if i brought my elder or space marines game on cheese gets cheese though if you did not bring a stormsurge i am probably going middle list and no/1 riptide reaching for the fluff lists and will probably have a good time

Well I play anyone except cheaters. I would have anyways if my community didn't ban Tau players. Now all I can do is basically seethe in anger at the thought of never getting a game here again because of little gaks who were too afraid or too full of hate to let a Tau newbie run a Kroot list or even talk to him like he wasn't some sort of fething pariah. It seems everyone else gets to dictate the Tau can't play where I am form my perspective.

Hypocritical people piss me off so much.

The real question is why does your "seething anger" extend to your community instead of at Games Workshop?

Was your gaming community refusing to play against Tau before the 6th edition codex came out?

Anyone else not help notice the implications for other units? "Walking Battleship" is almost assuredly going to be a rule that Imperial Knights and Wraithknights will have.

I was really hoping that "Supporting Fire" was going to be either gone, or something different since units can now Overwatch as many times as they want to. The only was for melee unit to be able to get into combat with T'au is if somehow they can deploy much closer and charge turn 1 with at least 80% of their army.
I hope I am exaggerating, but it does not look good.

On the bright side, maybe JSJ is gone from the game (even from Eldar jetbikes) and only Suits having the "Fly" keyword means that at least Fire Warriors can be "shut down" for a turn if you charge them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

Oh, and did I forget to mention they have the Fly keyword? This allows them to Fall Back from combat and still shoot at full effect. Brutal

Whut.... why : \

How are they ever going to balance out my orks against this,..

Also Characters are as good as dead vs snipers now.

Just to reiterate:
There was no mention of Sniper Drones being able to do the same thing despite having "Fly".

I made a mention in another thread about how it's very likely we have some rules we're missing and that this is another case of the article having been potentially sanitized or the writer having problems communicating their point across.

Well some abilities do not need that much context. Suits being able to always hit and run and shoot will have predictable consequences. Gunlines being able to auto hit and run and shoot and chain overwatch isn't that much fun for footslogging melee units.

You are right about the drones, not that I expected the to have the rule. They don't need them to kill characters from the other side of the board ; )


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 Galef wrote:
Anyone else not help notice the implications for other units? "Walking Battleship" is almost assuredly going to be a rule that Imperial Knights and Wraithknights will have.

I was really hoping that "Supporting Fire" was going to be either gone, or something different since units can now Overwatch as many times as they want to. .

It could be a stratagem

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Galef wrote:

I was really hoping that "Supporting Fire" was going to be either gone, or something different since units can now Overwatch as many times as they want to. .

It could be a stratagem

That's a really good point. Let's hope it is and that it takes a fair few CPs to use. From my understanding, Stratagems can only be done once per turn, so T'au may only get to Supporting fire on a single unit per turn.
If you set up multiple assaults, that's a big nerf to T'au.

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I do want to say that pulling out like that after drawing in the enemy is one of the tau ways to hunt so is fluffy. I'm not gonna condemn tau just yet, but it's looking pretty grim.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

Oh, and did I forget to mention they have the Fly keyword? This allows them to Fall Back from combat and still shoot at full effect. Brutal

Whut.... why : \

How are they ever going to balance out my orks against this,..

Also Characters are as good as dead vs snipers now.

Just to reiterate:
There was no mention of Sniper Drones being able to do the same thing despite having "Fly".

I made a mention in another thread about how it's very likely we have some rules we're missing and that this is another case of the article having been potentially sanitized or the writer having problems communicating their point across.

Well some abilities do not need that much context. Suits being able to always hit and run and shoot will have predictable consequences. Gunlines being able to auto hit and run and shoot and chain overwatch isn't that much fun for footslogging melee units.

Who said anything about "gunlines being able to auto hit and run and shoot and chain overwatch"?

Have you read literally nothing about the rules yet?

Warhammer Community: Movement Article wrote:Oh, there was one last thing.

If you’re in combat at the start of your turn, you can Fall Back by moving away from the enemy. You’ll lose the ability to advance, shoot or charge that turn, and crucially, enemies will be able to shoot at you! This does, however, open up a vast range of tactical options for armies like the Astra Militarum, who will now be able to effectively deploy in firing lines, with each row falling back from any assaults in good order (if they survived) while the unit behind them fires at the attackers. It goes both ways though – if you have a dedicated assault unit that specializes in killing infantry (like Warp Talons) your opponent will find it much harder to pin them down in combat with heavily armoured units for the entire game.

We have seen two exceptions to this, so far, in the form of Crisis Suits(which might be getting it to represent the fact that they're Bonded rather than anything else; remember the Bonding Knife eh? Eh?) and Stormsurges.

You are right about the drones, not that I expected the to have the rule. They don't need them to kill characters from the other side of the board ; )

Like I said:
The articles don't give us much to go on. It's a bit much to presume that this is going to be an "all Tau all the time" thing.

 Galef wrote:
Anyone else not help notice the implications for other units? "Walking Battleship" is almost assuredly going to be a rule that Imperial Knights and Wraithknights will have.

I was really hoping that "Supporting Fire" was going to be either gone, or something different since units can now Overwatch as many times as they want to. .

It could be a stratagem

Or it could just be a thing that the infantry can do.
Or tied to a character model.
Etc
Etc.

Eldar are #1 strongest army in 7th edition...

but TAU ARE MID TIER...

Bitching about not wanting to play Tau is like proclaiming loudly to the world that you're bad.

The markerlight changes - they mention one markerlight means re-rolling 1s. Do you think that might mean that you re-roll one score on the D6 per markerlight expended eg 2 markerlights = reroll 1s and 2s? If that's the case, that's a hefty nerf to accuracy. and markerlight spam.

Also, snipers drones losing rending seems like a pretty hefty nerf to a unit which no one used anyway. And it seems precision shots lets you target characters, so no more sniping special weapons etc.

Talamare wrote:but TAU ARE MID TIER...

Relative to what?

Compared to assault marines, devastators and tactical marines without grav or drop pods?

Compared to Leeman Russ spam?

Saying "Tau are mid tier" is perfectly meaningless without a point of comparison.

And if your point of comparison is the rest of the OP garbage in the game, then your point of view is skewed, isn't it?

Tau are very much bullies. They completely table the have-not codices, but can't handle unkillable deathstars like superfriends. Because unkillable. Or FMC spam where the FMCs are also psykers, like Daemons.

No one likes a bully is what is working very much against Tau right now.

As someone who has been bullied by them for two editions now, I can say I'm sick of their gak.

As a Tau player the worst thing about this article was that they said 0 about Auxiliares. In others articles they mentioned things like Ogryns, Rough Riders, Possessed, etc...

No love to my Vespids

They did mention septs though. That's good for tau and possibly other xenos factions too.

Martel732 wrote:
Tau are very much bullies. They completely table the have-not codices, but can't handle unkillable deathstars like superfriends. Because unkillable. Or FMC spam where the FMCs are also psykers, like Daemons.

No one likes a bully is what is working very much against Tau right now.

As someone who has been bullied by them for two editions now, I can say I'm sick of their gak.

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