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What exactly is Mankind's connection to the Old Ones? I can't find any evidence that they were created by them, but maybe I'm just being stupid and missing it in my search. Still, I though given that the Old Ones seem to have a connection to most of the factions there'd be some sort of link there. Plus, it seems far too unlikely that the Eldar look so alike to humans yet one was created and the other just developed naturally. So, if anyone knows anything or could point me in the right direction, that would be appreciated.

It was hinted in Xenology that so many races have similar physical build , similar pantheons etc. Also on mysterious tablet there was an image that could suggest that humanity is the latest of Old Ones creations.

My understanding is none. Mankind developed many 10s of thousands of years long after the old ones were wiped out by the crons.

 Lance845 wrote:
My understanding is none. Mankind developed many 10s of thousands of years long after the old ones were wiped out by the crons.

Xenology also suggested that not all OO are dead - like Hrud creator for example.

I remember or may be misremembering something about the Eldar visiting Terra while humanity was still in the process of evolving thus being the basis of the mon keigh. I thought that happened around the time of the war on heaven, but that probably got rewritten a bunch since the Necrons had their retcon as I believe the old result was somewhat of a draw with the Necrons going to hibernation and the old ones and their forces decimated; the old ones going from there to retreat and withdraw from the universe until apparently dying out/vanishing; similar to how later they made that super high tech civilisation that had retreated from the universe and was going fine until they met Horus. I forget their name.

In short they don't have a confirmed direct connection with the old ones, I'll have to read up more on the whole webway thing the emperor had going on but at best it would be an implied indirect connection then.

In the old lore, it might have even been WHFB lore, Humanity was an unfinished project of the old ones. Something they were playing with on earth but never really got around to finishing before the war in heaven knocked them out.

There was some suggestion in 2nd Ed that the Old Ones had influence on Human evolution, but did not create Humans.

^^ This.

It's part of the reason for the disdain the eldar hold for humans.

They (Eldar) were designed, perfect, by the old ones. To be a psychic weapon against the OO enemies (in the same way that the Krork were engineered as the "muscle"

Humanity are the result of constant accidental mutation and evolution. No controls, no direction bar ecological niches.

It's a riff on the old religious (Intelligent design) v scientific (evolution) dichotomy, too.

Chromedog is probably right but in my own head were the old ones and it's the 2nd time around.

Yeah Chromedog has it right with the eldar's arrogance as they know they were created the way they are.

I do still believe though that the Old Ones had some meddling in human evolution at's a neat solution to the old problem of 'everyone in space is a humanoid', but not a full-on creation.

Perhaps intended to be one, but unfinished as they were wiped out beforehand.

Interestingly, if you go for the 'all humanoids were old one creations' idea it means that the Necrontyr were too, which lends a bit of nuance to them that's sadly lacking in the current codex.

Isn't there an episode of Star Trek where it gets revealed that all the races share a common origin from a previous race?
Couldn't it be like that?

Makes sense to have some level of influence over human evolution, but as previously stated, not complete control. This explains the comparative brutishness of mankind when juxtaposed to races such as the eldar.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:


Interestingly, if you go for the 'all humanoids were old one creations' idea it means that the Necrontyr were too, which lends a bit of nuance to them that's sadly lacking in the current codex.

An experiment gone wrong maybe

or an experiment gone right, but with the Necrontyr being unhappy with what was planned for them.

That would make a lot more sense and give the Necrontyr a reason for the whole war in heaven. Otherwise they just seem like spoiled brats.


Still I dont think everything that is bipedal with two arms and a head need be connected to the old ones. Chalk it up to something in the warp(like a proto chaos god) channeling evolution in that direction in this galaxy.

pm713 wrote:
Isn't there an episode of Star Trek where it gets revealed that all the races share a common origin from a previous race?
Couldn't it be like that?

Perhaps, but from Xenology we know that Eldar DNA has 22 base pairs, whereas all life on earth has 4 base pairs. Humans are more closely related to Giant Sequoias and the Ebola Virus than we are to the Eldar. It's one of the neat thigs for explaining just how alien the eldar are, which is sadly somewhat neglected by GW of late.

 Exergy wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:


Interestingly, if you go for the 'all humanoids were old one creations' idea it means that the Necrontyr were too, which lends a bit of nuance to them that's sadly lacking in the current codex.

An experiment gone wrong maybe

or an experiment gone right, but with the Necrontyr being unhappy with what was planned for them.

That would make a lot more sense and give the Necrontyr a reason for the whole war in heaven. Otherwise they just seem like spoiled brats.


Still I dont think everything that is bipedal with two arms and a head need be connected to the old ones. Chalk it up to something in the warp(like a proto chaos god) channeling evolution in that direction in this galaxy.

Yeah my favourite option of those is that te Necrontyr were an experiment that went precisely as the Old Ones intended. Gives some eally nice nuance to the War in Heaven

Image being a Necrontyr who discovers that your pitifully short and painful life was that way on purpose. Whatsmore, there's another race out there also created by the Old Ones who enjoy not only fantastically long lifetimes, but also the ability to reincarnate. Then, when you ask your creators to give you the same wondeful life they refuse.

Gives some nice nuance for the Necron's hatred of the favoured children the Eldar, and also gives them a little of the 'Paradise Lost' feel of rebelling against tyrannical gods.

Oh, and it makes the Old Ones more grimdark which is always a good thing

Paints an interesting and humanizing picture of the Necrons for sure... I like that interpretation.

 Aetare wrote:
Paints an interesting and humanizing picture of the Necrons for sure... I like that interpretation.

Well do remember they were a race of short lived duders from a planet the orbited a highly radioactive sun..

And then they found the C'tan

And it kinda went downhill from there

GodDamUser wrote:

 Aetare wrote:
Paints an interesting and humanizing picture of the Necrons for sure... I like that interpretation.

Well do remember they were a race of short lived duders from a planet the orbited a highly radioactive sun..

And then they found the C'tan

And it kinda went downhill from there

Well said lol. Now they can live as long as they want...

 Aetare wrote:


Well said lol. Now they can 'live' as long as they want...

FTFY

Yeah it is a neat little idea. I really wish they'd have gone down that road of adding more nuance to the old school Necron fluff, rather than make them squabbling petty space-egyptians. Still, whatever shifts more plastic...

I'll sum up the connection in the words of "if the emperor had text to speech"

On the subject of the old one and their connections to humanity, "they might have helped push the boat out of the harbor, but they did not build it."