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I really love the playstyle of my KDK army, especially in 7th. The codex was a step above just mashing two factions together. I have this deep feeling that we will be losing all the uniqueness that made KDK.... well you know, fun!

For instance as of right now we have seen NOTHING in all the leaks about any unique mechanics for taking a kdk force. As it stands, its just bring a detachment of CSM and bring a detachment of Daemons. I guess we get command points for being thematic but at what cost?

They said all our armies would be playable and well ya since both factions that make KDK are chaos you can ally them, but where are the things that made us unique? I dont want an allied force. I want my Khorne Daemonkin.

Keywords should make KDK very playable in 8th.

I was under the impression that anything with a Keyword such as "Chaos" can go in the same army. So Khorne Daemons and Khorne Space Marines can just be taken in the same detachment.

Also Khorne Lords on Juggernauts are still in so that makes me happy.

You guys are missing the point of my post. I know I can mash Khornate CSM and Khorne Daemons together. One or two detachments, it doesnt matter.

You could do that in 7th as well. Where are the KDK mechanics that made them unique though? Where are blood tithes?

I get the point of your post. Youve been gutted. You can bring your models, you can build a khorne based list with CSM and Deamons but I would expect blood tithe is gone.

Makes sense. KDK looked like the first of 4 armies they would released based around each of the 4 gods. Then they just gave up on that idea. It's not surprising that KDK don't exist as a unique butterfly army anymore.

 thekerrick wrote:
You guys are missing the point of my post. I know I can mash Khornate CSM and Khorne Daemons together. One or two detachments, it doesnt matter.

You could do that in 7th as well. Where are the KDK mechanics that made them unique though? Where are blood tithes?

Good question to which I do not yet have an answer... sorry for missing the memo good sir

 thekerrick wrote:
You guys are missing the point of my post. I know I can mash Khornate CSM and Khorne Daemons together. One or two detachments, it doesnt matter.

You could do that in 7th as well. Where are the KDK mechanics that made them unique though? Where are blood tithes?

You have to remember that there is a faction specific key word so CSM and Deamons will both have the Khorne key word in which case they can give you special commad abilities.

 Lance845 wrote:
I get the point of your post. Youve been gutted. You can bring your models, you can build a khorne based list with CSM and Deamons but I would expect blood tithe is gone.

Makes sense. KDK looked like the first of 4 armies they would released based around each of the 4 gods. Then they just gave up on that idea. It's not surprising that KDK don't exist as a unique butterfly army anymore.

Yeah I liked the idea that they could have done it with every god to have god specific armies, bit it needed more effort put into it. It was weird having just 1 god codex done, and an assault one in a shooty edition at that

 Lance845 wrote:
I get the point of your post. Youve been gutted. You can bring your models, you can build a khorne based list with CSM and Deamons but I would expect blood tithe is gone.

Makes sense. KDK looked like the first of 4 armies they would released based around each of the 4 gods. Then they just gave up on that idea. It's not surprising that KDK don't exist as a unique butterfly army anymore.

But they will they will be a Khorne army whoch tlyou can field all khorne deamons, all CSM khorne marked units, or a combination of the two.

It'd be kinda stupid to completely get rid of KDK as an army. After all, they just introduced some kind of blood tithe mechanic in Age of Sigmar that I know had to have been inspired and based on the one in 40k. Unfortunately, based on the evidence (or rather the lack thereof), I may have to conclude that KDK have been squatted. You can still run Khorne-devoted CSM and Khorne Daemons together, but it just won't be the same. I hope I'm wrong, though.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
It'd be kinda stupid to completely get rid of KDK as an army. After all, they just introduced some kind of blood tithe mechanic in Age of Sigmar that I know had to have been inspired and based on the one in 40k. Unfortunately, based on the evidence (or rather the lack thereof), I may have to conclude that KDK have been squatted. You can still run Khorne-devoted CSM and Khorne Daemons together, but it just won't be the same. I hope I'm wrong, though.

All they have to do is make Khorne a faction unto himself and implament the blood tithe system.

 thekerrick wrote:
You guys are missing the point of my post. I know I can mash Khornate CSM and Khorne Daemons together. One or two detachments, it doesnt matter.

You could do that in 7th as well. Where are the KDK mechanics that made them unique though? Where are blood tithes?

If it makes you feel better, you aren't the only one "gutted" in that regard. Almost all those unique army wide rules (such as chapter/legion tactics) seem to have gone away so far as I can.

At least the new summoning mechanic works like blood tithe in that you can summon more demons without having to use a psyker. Consolation prize but there it is.

Now, it could be blood tithe is still in for an all khorne force in some form or another. After all, canticles and acts of faith have both been confirmed(?), and most of the chaos book hasn't been leaked yet. However, if I had to guess it'll probably be tied to specific HQ choice, like most of these rules seem to be.

If they can do canticles they can do bloodtithes. It shouldnt be that difficult.

Chaos has it own book it has to have something in it to fill out the pages, khorne won't be getting psychic powers so maybe blood bloody blood blood craft instead. Chapters still have rules, genestealers cults still have ambush, mechanicus have there thing and so do sisters.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
Chaos has it own book it has to have something in it to fill out the pages, khorne won't be getting psychic powers so maybe blood bloody blood blood craft instead. Chapters still have rules, genestealers cults still have ambush, mechanicus have there thing and so do sisters.

Bring on the chain-axes!!!

 thekerrick wrote:
If they can do canticles they can do bloodtithes. It shouldnt be that difficult.

Note canticles don't work how they used to, if the leaks/rumors are to be believed. Note I haven't actually seen the rules with my own eyes, this is just hearsay.

Canticles are now tied directly to the dominus, and have a area of effect from him (how this works with multiple domini is unknown). So it effectively acts as the same sort of command ability as what other HQs get, particularly since the number of units on the field may not matter.

So your "blood tithe" will likely either be static bonuses for every unit in range of the HQ, or bonuses that trigger when the HQ/an khorne demon in range of the HQ kill something.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
Chaos has it own book it has to have something in it to fill out the pages, khorne won't be getting psychic powers so maybe blood bloody blood blood craft instead. Chapters still have rules, genestealers cults still have ambush, mechanicus have there thing and so do sisters.

Chapters in point of fact do not get special rules as a given. Even blood angels "rules" amount to getting some extra wargear options (jump packs on a few extra units as an option, inferno pistols and hand/heavy flamers as an option for many units) and some unique units/characters. There is no chapter tactics equivalent for space marines it seems.

For now it appears that Khorne has ben gutted as a independent force. But seeing as both Thousand sons and Death guard are their own faction now, even in the page of warhammer40, in Chaos Factions, I'm pretty sure that Khorne will receive the same threatment once we have a Daemon Primarch Argron.

 Galas wrote:
For now it appears that Khorne has ben gutted as a independent force. But seeing as both Thousand sons and Death guard are their own faction now, even in the page of warhammer40, in Chaos Factions, I'm pretty sure that Khorne will receive the same threatment once we have a Daemon Primarch Argron.

That is also worth remembering, the indexes are, at the end of the day, placeholders. It's a lot better than the... 3rd(?) edition army lists that came with the rulebook.

Gutted.
All these bright and shiny rules being introduced just give armies with pistols more chances of shooting at you.

With the new edition coming out, many armies and play styles have been gutted. That's not to say that there won't be some fun new stuff to have and use, but many things like this will be gone and once more we are left waiting for <insert favorite army here> to get their updated book and hope it does what we want.

Note they said all "models" not armies. Also blood tithes are cool but remember that if they do make it into 8th you will still have to set aside points to bolster your forces with more units given the new rules on "summoned" units(in AoS that is how tithes work as well). So even if you get all the mechanics of kdk, keep in mind that "free" no longer means free.

Ecdain wrote:
Note they said all "models" not armies. Also blood tithes are cool but remember that if they do make it into 8th you will still have to set aside points to bolster your forces with more units given the new rules on "summoned" units(in AoS that is how tithes work as well). So even if you get all the mechanics of kdk, keep in mind that "free" no longer means free.

Yeah but you will also probably get to pick the unit being summoned. And if you dont theny they may give a heavy points discount what what is summoned.

soon enough GW will give us back more rules we have to pay for. Daemonkin are sure to ge a supplement

SilverAlien wrote:

 thekerrick wrote:
If they can do canticles they can do bloodtithes. It shouldnt be that difficult.

Note canticles don't work how they used to, if the leaks/rumors are to be believed. Note I haven't actually seen the rules with my own eyes, this is just hearsay.

Canticles are now tied directly to the dominus, and have a area of effect from him (how this works with multiple domini is unknown). So it effectively acts as the same sort of command ability as what other HQs get, particularly since the number of units on the field may not matter.

So your "blood tithe" will likely either be static bonuses for every unit in range of the HQ, or bonuses that trigger when the HQ/an khorne demon in range of the HQ kill something.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
Chaos has it own book it has to have something in it to fill out the pages, khorne won't be getting psychic powers so maybe blood bloody blood blood craft instead. Chapters still have rules, genestealers cults still have ambush, mechanicus have there thing and so do sisters.

Chapters in point of fact do not get special rules as a given. Even blood angels "rules" amount to getting some extra wargear options (jump packs on a few extra units as an option, inferno pistols and hand/heavy flamers as an option for many units) and some unique units/characters. There is no chapter tactics equivalent for space marines it seems.

I've seen rules for black rage so had assumed from that the chapters had kept some unique rules.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
I've seen rules for black rage so had assumed from that the chapters had kept some unique rules.

It is a rule unique to the blood angels in the sense that only four units, all of them specific to the blood angels, have it. It isn't an army wide rule the way red thirst and other chapter tactics were.

What replaces that are things like sanguinary priests buffing the strength of all blood angels units within 6". That's what keywords are for, at least so far as we've seen.

Well I think I overlooked something. I was reading the faction focus articles for fun again and I came across this in the csm article.

"What about chainaxes, you ask? You will want to arm all of your “Blood for the Blood God” warriors with these bad boys. Wait…Blood for the Blood God…what does that do? I guess you will have to wait and find out when these warriors hit the tabletops, but trust me, blood and skulls will be reaped!"

So maybe not tithes, but blood for the blood god is there at least.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
I've seen rules for black rage so had assumed from that the chapters had kept some unique rules.

It is a rule unique to the blood angels in the sense that only four units, all of them specific to the blood angels, have it. It isn't an army wide rule the way red thirst and other chapter tactics were.

What replaces that are things like sanguinary priests buffing the strength of all blood angels units within 6". That's what keywords are for, at least so far as we've seen.

they specificly SAID legion and chapter tactics are still in. we know specific chapter stuff is there for keywords. there is no reason to assume chaptert tatics are being removed. now they may be nerfed considerably, but they're going to be there.

I asked about KDK via email from GW, and spesifically asked if Khorne Daemonkin as an army are still playable in the new edition, not just that the models are usable.

They replied that they are not abandoning any of the old armies, and that Khorne Daemonkin is still playable (including the very name of the Faction in their reply).

Still not 100% confirmed though I guess.

keep in mind that it'd be really simple to do it. "if your army has all Khrone as a keyword, you may use these bonuses"

hell KDK could turn out intreasting as you might be able to do world eater KDK

BrianDavion wrote:
they specificly SAID legion and chapter tactics are still in. we know specific chapter stuff is there for keywords. there is no reason to assume chaptert tatics are being removed. now they may be nerfed considerably, but they're going to be there.

And we've seen the blood angels rules. They have "chapter tactics" in that they get a unique psychic discipline and a few options with wargear. But that's all. Death guard gets a psychic discipline and plague marine troops apparently.

It is possible that the chapter tactic rules are buried somewhere in the index but weren't put in the same section as everything else explaining how a blood angels force works. That is technically possible. Not as likely as chapter tactics being reduced to basically nothing, but possible.