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 Rippy wrote:
I am liking that tank, hopefully we get a few more units though, a single tank isn't going to plug the holes in the DG codex.

It does look like that might be our Vindicator equivalent. I guess it may be time to look at sticking random sponsons on your existing Vindicators....

With a vindicator, this new tank with presumably a solid anti infantry/horde main weapon and a decent terminator variation, our list would have most everything it needs. Even the vindicator is mostly just for fluff and because many of us already own one, predators are generally a better pick right now it seems.

Now we just need our unique units to be priced more logically.

Also, better picture of the vehicle thanks to new and rumors/heresy online.

 Rippy wrote:
I am liking that tank, hopefully we get a few more units though, a single tank isn't going to plug the holes in the DG codex.

Hopefully it's a multi kit with one being the mortar and one maybe being a heavy mid ranged? That with special termies and mort will help fill us out.

 Swara wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I am liking that tank, hopefully we get a few more units though, a single tank isn't going to plug the holes in the DG codex.

Hopefully it's a multi kit with one being the mortar and one maybe being a heavy mid ranged? That with special termies and mort will help fill us out.

We don't really have any fluffy anti-tank. Maybe this tank will have a variant for that, or is that what you mean by heavy mid ranged?

It seems DG doesn't have super fluffy anti tank period, given they don't apparently don't use heavy weapon squads or tanks. They basically charge in with meltas or use terminators. (possibly with meltas as well) . Hellbrutes are probably the closest thing to a fluffy lascannon mount from what I can tell.

SilverAlien wrote:
It seems DG doesn't have super fluffy anti tank period, given they don't apparently don't use heavy weapon squads or tanks. They basically charge in with meltas or use terminators. (possibly with meltas as well) . Hellbrutes are probably the closest thing to a fluffy lascannon mount from what I can tell.

I'd love to see a new DG Contemptor kit. That would fit the Hellbrute's role of anti-tank and be very fluffy. If not, I guess using a Contemptor model in place of a Hellbrute also works. My only issue is that Hellbrutes are modern Dreadnaught chassis, rather than Heresy era dreads like the Contemptor. I'm OCD with these things haha

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Swara wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I am liking that tank, hopefully we get a few more units though, a single tank isn't going to plug the holes in the DG codex.

Hopefully it's a multi kit with one being the mortar and one maybe being a heavy mid ranged? That with special termies and mort will help fill us out.

We don't really have any fluffy anti-tank. Maybe this tank will have a variant for that, or is that what you mean by heavy mid ranged?

Somerthing to replace the vindi

the mortar makes me wonder if it'll be more akin to a whirlwind, ti'd be a tatical capability chaos doesn't have, so fill a unique niche.

Mortar tanks with zombies bubble walls, what a time to be alive

 Rippy wrote:
Mortar tanks with zombies bubble walls, what a time to be alive

that's a good point, use zombies and cultists as your cheap bubble wrap so you can use your plague marines to push forward.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
It seems DG doesn't have super fluffy anti tank period, given they don't apparently don't use heavy weapon squads or tanks. They basically charge in with meltas or use terminators. (possibly with meltas as well) . Hellbrutes are probably the closest thing to a fluffy lascannon mount from what I can tell.

I'd love to see a new DG Contemptor kit. That would fit the Hellbrute's role of anti-tank and be very fluffy. If not, I guess using a Contemptor model in place of a Hellbrute also works. My only issue is that Hellbrutes are modern Dreadnaught chassis, rather than Heresy era dreads like the Contemptor. I'm OCD with these things haha

I'd rather see us get a plastic chaos decimator to counter the size of the Primaris dread. Hopefully we could have these in addition to regular helbrutes, as I love having crazed zombie mechs running around killing stuff.

DANGN that tank better be a conversion, it looks like a bread box.

FudgeDumper wrote:
DANGN that tank better be a conversion, it looks like a bread box.

I've just got back to 40k and started collecting models for a Death Guard army... but this model?
It looks like a humpback bridge has had a mantic mortar glued to the back, a snowplough on the front, some guns stuck on the side and a couple of neat rows of obligatory spikes.

If it's got some king of slug beast under it with bits of it showing, it could be ok, but as it is, for me, it's on par with that Taurox thing for lousiness.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:
DANGN that tank better be a conversion, it looks like a bread box.

I've just got back to 40k and started collecting models for a Death Guard army... but this model?
It looks like a humpback bridge has had a mantic mortar glued to the back, a snowplough on the front, some guns stuck on the side and a couple of neat rows of obligatory spikes.

If it's got some king of slug beast under it with bits of it showing, it could be ok, but as it is, for me, it's on par with that Taurox thing for lousiness.

Going by the dark green illustration that was also sighted, it has a lot more detail on it than this blurry photo lets on. I'm holding my judgment until we get to see proper pictures.

The release of the Death Guard stuff (and recently the thousand sons stuff) has got me hopeful for new World Eaters stuff in the future.

From News and Rumors

Mamon and Necrosius are now officially Death Guard.

And all FW units (that aren't marked otherwise) can be Death Guard. Except rapiers (why???) And the hellwright.

Honestly if the new codex for Death Guard/CSM gives Plague Marines two attacks to match the other Cult Marines I'll consider this a success.

 Galas wrote:
From News and Rumors

Spoiler:

Is it a perspective issue with the shot, or is the left (right for us) side have notably larger spikes and sponson than the left?

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Mamon and Necrosius are now officially Death Guard.

And all FW units (that aren't marked otherwise) can be Death Guard. Except rapiers (why???) And the hellwright.

Hmm? They post a FAQ somewhere or errata?

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Mamon and Necrosius are now officially Death Guard.

And all FW units (that aren't marked otherwise) can be Death Guard. Except rapiers (why???) And the hellwright.

Hmm? They post a FAQ somewhere or errata?

here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/09/forge-world-faq-july9gw-homepage-post-4/

For some reason, they've decided to put faqs and errata on the community site rather than the GW/forgeworld sites. It looks like this is the plan moving forward for both. .

SilverAlien wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Mamon and Necrosius are now officially Death Guard.

And all FW units (that aren't marked otherwise) can be Death Guard. Except rapiers (why???) And the hellwright.

Hmm? They post a FAQ somewhere or errata?

here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/09/forge-world-faq-july9gw-homepage-post-4/

For some reason, they've decided to put faqs and errata on the community site rather than the GW/forgeworld sites. It looks like this is the plan moving forward for both. .

Ah, not updated FW or the digital sites yet, that's what threw me off.

Good to see the characters getting the appropriate Legion tags - so Zhufor can be taken in a World Eaters army. I fully expect later down the line, when they give us expanded Codexes detailing the warbands and subfactions we'll get a rule tag similar to the successor chapter mentions for the Imperium - but that'll be a while, until they give us sub-faction specific characters and the like....

I.e. You already have the Lamenters SC from FW, Seth and the BA characters being seperate things - just substituting the Blood Angels tag for the appropriate chapter (and losing the Blood Angels uniques) - would make sense for Chaos to get the same sort of attention - especially as we know that The Tainted are a sub faction of Death Guard (from the way they've listed them) and Skulltakers are a sub-faction of World Eaters...

Eh...sorta iffy on the new tank. Seems like its sort of low effort? Maybe its just me but I hate spikes just being thrown on something. Would have been more cool if they made it some monstrous maggot beats or something.

Yeah, it's not doing a lot for me, but I don't buy into the super-spikey-death Chaos stuff. I did chuckle at how close it is to this kit-bash I did a few weeks back.

Imperial_Wolf wrote:
Eh...sorta iffy on the new tank. Seems like its sort of low effort? Maybe its just me but I hate spikes just being thrown on something. Would have been more cool if they made it some monstrous maggot beats or something.

It's...a mix of things from what I see.

First, the paint scheme they went with is fething terrible. Way too clean looking and far too bright, which doesn't really do the visible cracks, pustules, pock marks etc justice in the slightest.

The shape is kind of off - it looks...dumpy...like they couldn't decide if it was a tank or an artillery piece when we have plenty of examples already that could have been used for a base and probably would have been far kinder to existing Death Guard players who got told they can't take unit X, Y or Z - Vindicators (this would have been the winner to base the design off of as it suddenly gives us our vindicators back), Medusa siege tanks, Basilisks, Griffon Mortar tanks - all better example of artillery tanks they could have based the design off of.

Yeah, that tank... I agree that it looks iffy. Sometimes you have to see these things in real life to actually get it. But in the photo it looks like a poor effort. I hope I'm wrong. Anyway, it'll lighten my bits box if I do get one.

Does anyone know if it's based on a heresy-era vehicle?

 Funbug No.1 wrote:
Yeah, that tank... I agree that it looks iffy. Sometimes you have to see these things in real life to actually get it. But in the photo it looks like a poor effort. I hope I'm wrong. Anyway, it'll lighten my bits box if I do get one.

Does anyone know if it's based on a heresy-era vehicle?

Only vehicle that looks close is the minotaur artillery tank, but even then its a stretch. So it might just be some kind of new construction by the DG.

I kind of want to take the individual little nurgling models and put them on the hull, swinging from the spikes, doing handstands on top of the hull. Hopefully the arse end of it has some cool detailing or something to make up for the slightly plain top section.

 Funbug No.1 wrote:
Yeah, that tank... I agree that it looks iffy. Sometimes you have to see these things in real life to actually get it. But in the photo it looks like a poor effort. I hope I'm wrong. Anyway, it'll lighten my bits box if I do get one.

Does anyone know if it's based on a heresy-era vehicle?

Nope.

The Heresy equivalent siege tank was the Vindicator though some used Legion Basilisks as well.

I just don't understand GW's desire to make random NEW chassis for traitor vehicles - when the whole idea is that they use corrupted SM vehicles as their base - why not just adhere to that whole design rather than giving us something that just looks so out of place? It's not even much of a nod to the 30k smoother aesthetic or even the old Plague Catapult epic vehicles that maybe they tried to make it a nod to?

None that I'm familiar with. The shape is very different from most existing space marine tanks. Look at the way the back slopes compared to the rhino, it's much more rounded than anything else I've seen.

Personally I'm a fan. The overall sluglike shape is subtle but a nice change from the universally boxy space marine vehicles.

I think it looks cool. GW can never please the whole CSM audience. If they stick to SM with spikes people will say: Hey, we threw away our codices and the emperor's rule, why didn't we invent something on our own in 10K years? Dark mechanicum isn't as dumb as normal mechanicum!
And if they bring something new people will say: Nah, it doesn't look like SM or heresy, it doesn't fit.
I think it's a good compromize between these positions. You can easily prox it with your vindicators and it also looks okay next to a bloat drone (those sponsons might be plague spitters).