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What i think so far:

Death throes should be renamed to falling over something like that. A lot of things can do mortal wounds now.

A Dakka Fex is now 97 points. In 7th 2 were 300 so you can now take 3 Dakka Fexes instead of 2 for the same points cost. And 3 will do the same amount of hits in 8th. compered to 2 in 7th. melee Fex drop from 120 to 97

Zoan's got nerfd IMO

Almost everything is cheaper now.

My last army list i build drop 400 points. feth yeah

It was:

2 Hive Tyrants
2 Liktors
20 Termagants
3 dakka Fexe
3 Zoans
6 Ripper
3 Biovores
2 Mawloc

1 Malanthrope (assuming its 85 points)

So more stuff on the table for Nids

EDIT: melee fex points were corrected

Here's the thing: ALMOST EVERYONE GOT NERFED. When everything gets nerfed, it's no longer nerfing, it's a balance overhaul!

That said, Melee Carnifex is 94 points; carnifex + monstrous scything talons (two pairs) (carnifex) + thresher scythe = 94 points.

 Shadelkan wrote:
Here's the thing: ALMOST EVERYONE GOT NERFED. When everything gets nerfed, it's no longer nerfing, it's a balance overhaul!

That said, Melee Carnifex is 94 points; carnifex + monstrous scything talons (two pairs) (carnifex) + thresher scythe = 94 points.

I believe OP is saying they got buffed.

 Shadelkan wrote:
Here's the thing: ALMOST EVERYONE GOT NERFED. When everything gets nerfed, it's no longer nerfing, it's a balance overhaul!

That said, Melee Carnifex is 94 points; carnifex + monstrous scything talons (two pairs) (carnifex) + thresher scythe = 94 points.

I am not complaing. I just want compere 7th to 8th. And most of the Tyranid units got buffed IMO.

While I'm excited for the buff to Tyranids as we needed something it does feel like the game is shoehorning several factions in favor of the armies that are going to be more prominent in the new storyline. I could be wrong but that's the way it seems.

On another note, time to break out the Fex trio again!

Only the current popular stuff got nerfed.

Have you seen the Genestealers? Holy crap they haven't actually been a creditable threat for editions! And Old One Eye is actually cheap enough in points for consideration.

Also one thing I noticed about the fex is that it's one of the few monstrous creatures that doesn't lose stats as it loses wounds (although this doesn't apply to Old One Eye).

nordsturmking wrote:
What i think so far:

Death throes should be renamed to falling over something like that. A lot of things can do mortal wounds now.

A Dakka Fex is now 97 points. In 7th 2 were 300 so you can now take 3 Dakka Fexes instead of 2 for the same points cost. And 3 will do the same amount of hits in 8th. compered to 2 in 7th. melee Fex drop from 120 to 97

A dakka fex with Devourers (67+8+8+8+8+7= 106pts) is worse than one with Deathspitters (67+10+10+10+10+7= 114pts) so it would be better to pay the extra 8pts for +1S and -1AP on your shots.

A melee fex is 94pts (67+20+7) or 103pts if you take Bio-Plasma.

I think the first 1/2 hour of my starter games of 8th will be checking my opponents worked out their points correctly, before the battle even starts. You need a maths degree to write an army list now.

I used to love facing off against stealers and carnifexes... Hope to see the old nids back.

Damn, I need to get more small bugs and carnifexes! I threw together a list of what I'd like to play with, and at 2000 points I only had 87 models for my Nids, and 60 of those were Termagants, and other 20 were Genestealers. I'm itching for a game to see how that goes, and then do another match where I just bring ALL of my Gaunts and Genestealers and gribblies to see how that goes!

If you owned less than 400 models for Tyranids, you weren't doing it right

There is a lot of good stuff for Nids. I've already built a bunch of lists based on my collection. Really feel I can put together things I wanted to play with a combination of Nids and Stealer cults.

so far I've got an Ambush! list:

Battalion Detachment
Hive Tyrant with Wings and 2x Monstrous Devourer with Brainleach Worms (199)
Hive Tyrant with Wings and 2x Monstrous Devourer with Brainleach Worms (199)
11 Termagants (44)
11 Termagants (44)
11 Termagants (44)
1 Mucolid Spore (20)
1 Mucolid Spore (20)
1 Mucolid Spore (20)

Vanguard Detachment
Patriarch (150)
17 Purestrain Stealers (306)
19 Purestrain Stealers (342)
17 Purestrain Stealers (306)

Supreme Command Detachment
Primus (76)
Primus (76)
Primus (76)
Primus (76)

And I'm working on a nidzilla list and a termagant swarm list.

Drager wrote:
There is a lot of good stuff for Nids. I've already built a bunch of lists based on my collection. Really feel I can put together things I wanted to play with a combination of Nids and Stealer cults.

so far I've got an Ambush! list:

Battalion Detachment
Hive Tyrant with Wings and 2x Monstrous Devourer with Brainleach Worms (198)
Hive Tyrant with Wings and 2x Monstrous Devourer with Brainleach Worms (198)

Edit: Missed off the tail.

Monstrous Devourers are 7 points a piece, not 8 points. 8 is for Deathspitters. He's only off by 1 point (because he did not account for the prehensile tail)

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Monstrous Devourers are 7 points a piece, not 8 points. 8 is for Deathspitters. He's only off by 1 point (because he did not account for the prehensile tail)

Whoops, looked at the wrong line.

Yep. Forgot the tail. Oops ie. I'll drop a termagant .


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I've been talking about onslaught with a friend of mine:



I think this is saying that if you advanced in your movement phase you are good to shoot without penalty on Heavy and Assault weapons and are ok to charge.

He thinks the same, but with the addition that you get to make an advance move in the psychic phase.

I can't get his reading out of that power. What do the rest of you think?

Drager wrote:
Yep. Forgot the tail. Oops ie. I'll drop a termagant .


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I've been talking about onslaught with a friend of mine:



I think this is saying that if you advanced in your movement phase you are good to shoot without penalty on Heavy and Assault weapons and are ok to charge.

He thinks the same, but with the addition that you get to make an advance move in the psychic phase.

I can't get his reading out of that power. What do the rest of you think?

My assumption is that you don't get to advance during the psychic phase but instead it drops the restrictions from having already advanced. During the movement phase you will need to decide to advance and hope the power goes off or to choose not to advance and avoid it's associated restrictions.

edit: i can see how he can read that from the wording if you isolate the "That unit can advance..." but I suspect that if the power was letting you do something out of turn order it would be more explicit.

Am I the only one that's tempted to just fill the table with meleefexes? they look terribly awesome under current rules

Shadeseraph wrote:
Am I the only one that's tempted to just fill the table with meleefexes? they look terribly awesome under current rules

Nope. Sing it brother. I'm already scouring second-hand fexes to bulk up my army (before the muggles here realizes how awesome they are).

I like most of the changes but there are few things that are weird:
1. Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord has its 5++ named Psychic Barrier instead of Warp Field?
2. Tervigon and Tyrannofex are double kit but for some reason identical looking limb on 1st is named Massive Scything Talon and on 2nd a Powerful Limb.
3. Haruspex/Exocrine model has a tail Tresher Scythe option but no rules for it.
4. Tyrant Guard in crowded Elite slot.
5. Sprocyst's Spore Node with 9'' range.

1. Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord has its 5++ named Psychic Barrier instead of Warp Field?

Probably couldnt copyright "Warp Field" #RoddenberrysGhost

 Ratius wrote:

1. Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord has its 5++ named Psychic Barrier instead of Warp Field?

Probably couldnt copyright "Warp Field" #RoddenberrysGhost

Jokes aside (although I liked that one being ST fan) Zoans still have their 3++ named Warp Field, so definitely not the case

 Shadow Walker wrote:
5. Sprocyst's Spore Node with 9'' range.

Why do you consider this weird?
I feel it makes sense considering you can be within 9" of an enemy unit when you deploy and if the node's range was any shorter nobody would come into range and if it was any longer you'd probably place it further back.

opu wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
5. Sprocyst's Spore Node with 9'' range.

Why do you consider this weird?
I feel it makes sense considering you can be within 9" of an enemy unit when you deploy and if the node's range was any shorter nobody would come into range and if it was any longer you'd probably place it further back.

Yet it also has Deathspitters with range 18'' and can have cannons with range 36''.

Genestealer got a (please do not swear) huge buff +1/+2 if 10 or more A 5++ and a 2 point drop what the (please do not swear)^^ and i got 60 of these guys

This is gonna be the time of the genestealer and the Carnifex.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

2. Tervigon and Tyrannofex are double kit but for some reason identical looking limb on 1st is named Massive Scything Talon and on 2nd a Powerful Limb.

The Tervigon actually comes with a second set of scything talons that go where the bio-cannon arms on the Tyrannofex goes. Similarly, those scything talons can be replaced with crushing claws. The Powerful Limbs are just there to represent the Tyrannofex's old MC rules so it wouldn't be a giant mass of lumpy flesh when the enemy assault marines have a hankering for some tyrannoburgers.

Also a lot more units outside of the stealer and Carnifex got buffed. the Tervigon now it creates 10 termagants straight up and no chance of getting blue balls. The Exocrine's Ravenous Maw, if I'm reading it correctly, can potentially let it go up to 12 attacks (D3 hit rolls per attack), which would make it far more useful than it is now. Even the humble Hormagaunt and Termagant got better since now you can reroll to Hit rolls of 1 when there's more than 20 models (and if you take any less at the beginning, you're doing it wrong ).

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

2. Tervigon and Tyrannofex are double kit but for some reason identical looking limb on 1st is named Massive Scything Talon and on 2nd a Powerful Limb.

The Tervigon actually comes with a second set of scything talons that go where the bio-cannon arms on the Tyrannofex goes. Similarly, those scything talons can be replaced with crushing claws. The

You are right on that one, my mistake

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Yet it also has Deathspitters with range 18'' and can have cannons with range 36''.

True, though the chance for that many mortal wounds is too good and of course comes at a reasonable risk of being that close.
I feel if the spore node was any longer range it'd get a little too op as the risk is lessened.

Cult genestealers are too expensive, ambush should be rolled on with loads of acolytes and metamorphs. I prefer metamorph claw, even after they took nerf when losing rend. Patriarch or magus with power might from beyond, to help metamorphs, and if you really push it, get icon ward too. At the moment, Im gathering couple of flyrants with 2x twin devourer, even if its little old fashioned.. gotta love forge world.

opu wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Yet it also has Deathspitters with range 18'' and can have cannons with range 36''.

True, though the chance for that many mortal wounds is too good and of course comes at a reasonable risk of being that close.
I feel if the spore node was any longer range it'd get a little too op as the risk is lessened.

It could be their intention but Biovore has the same Spore Mines rules and range of 48'' and the brood of them is the same power level as Sporocyst.

Also I don't think anyone has talked about it, but the infamous Pyrovore isn't useless anymore.

It's not *good*, but at least it isn't completely useless. While it still has a low number of attacks, it's not as bad when compared to other melee units, so it might actually get to use that Acid Maw of his. Plus now there's a good number of chances for him to "explode' or at least bleed on the opponent without having to die to an instant death shot.