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I've just been looking at the BA unit options and I've noticed that they can't get Librarians or Chaplins in jump packs. Also GC maybe missing the cost for other wargear.

Has anyone spotted any other mistakes?

Just thinking that we may need a place to post these to help each other out so feel free to post any you find here.

edit: noticed that normal ones don't either. Was sure I read that they did.

Pretty sure I heard the looted wagon was gone for Orks, though I may have misheard. For such a jump-pack reliant army it doesn't make much sense for the BA to be cut out like this though...

The looted wagon was nearly gone last edition. and only saved due to fan outcry and white dwarf. so I expected it's gone now. it's a shame though.

kryczek wrote:
I've just been looking at the BA unit options and I've noticed that they can't get Librarians or Chaplins in jump packs. Also GC maybe missing the cost for other wargear.

Any SM Chaplain or Librarian can come with Jump Packs. BA can take Chaplains and Librarians, hence they can take Jump Packs.

That little (1) saying those units marked can take Jump Packs CANNOT take Jump Packs normally, so it is adding an entry on those specific Datasheets.

Ku'gath got cut.. Though I'm expecting that he'll get a new model when GUO gets its turn in the limelight.

So I missed the last edition more or less; did the Grey Knights lose everyone's favorite perpetual, Anval Thawn, last edition, or is that a new development?

BrianDavion wrote:
The looted wagon was nearly gone last edition. and only saved due to fan outcry and white dwarf. so I expected it's gone now. it's a shame though.

It's technically gone but I've decided to look at it like my 8 looted wagons have become 8 additional hard topped battle wagons with kill kannons and a trukks worth of transport capacity. I'll take it.

Thanks @pedroig. I see it all now.

Vendetta is gone D;

Bobug wrote:
Vendetta is gone D;

Tbf, vendetta is technically forgeworld.

Cannoness Veridyan is gone, although again tbf she's just a cannoness with powersword/bolt pistol.

BrianDavion wrote:
The looted wagon was nearly gone last edition. and only saved due to fan outcry and white dwarf. so I expected it's gone now. it's a shame though.

And mega bosses can't get attack squigs.
Which is understandable.
An eventual ork codex should give wagon rules.
I hope so!

Generic Chapter Masters are gone. Big F.U, to anyone who runs successor chapters/custom chapters.

 jeff white wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
The looted wagon was nearly gone last edition. and only saved due to fan outcry and white dwarf. so I expected it's gone now. it's a shame though.

And mega bosses can't get attack squigs.
Which is understandable.
An eventual ork codex should give wagon rules.
I hope so!

TBH I'd like to see, rather then rules for a single looted wagon, rather just to see a rule that "Ork players may loot any unit with the vehicle descriptor (perhaps with a few named expectations) with some mods, like reduce the gunnery to BS 5+ reduce toughness by 1, and hitpoints by 4, for a reduction in X number of points.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Generic Chapter Masters are gone. Big F.U, to anyone who runs successor chapters/custom chapters.

Why though? Chapter Masters were literally +1W and +1Attack and Orbital Bombardment.

What's hurting is the lack of relics, but anything else? The only one you can't match in stats is Marneus Calgar, and that dude was a Lord of War in the last edition. And even THEN the captain can almost match him as Marneus is stuck with T4 and the generic guy can buy Terminator Armour or a Bike to get to T5, negating the single additional wound Calgar has.

Expanding on that:

Get a Captain in Terminator Armour (122)
- has 1 wound less but+1 toughness in comparison
Add a Chain Fist (22)
- AP-4 and D2 at -1 Hit vs Marneus AP-3 D1D3 without any toHit Penalty)
Add a Combi-plasma (15)
Marneus' Gauntlet is a Rapid Fire 2 S4 AP-1 D2 boltgun, a Combi-plasma is a RF1 S7 AP-3 D1 weapon with three alternative firing modes (boltgun, boltgun+plasma at -1 hit, plasma overcharge) - different, but not really something I'd consider inferior at all.

So for a total of 159 Points (compared to 250) you're missing out on:
Marneus only takes half damage from each hit (rounding up though)
Marneus gives full rerolls instead of only rerolling 1's
Marneus gives +2 Command Points

I'm fine with that tbh.

nekooni wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Generic Chapter Masters are gone. Big F.U, to anyone who runs successor chapters/custom chapters.

Why though? Chapter Masters were literally +1W and +1Attack and Orbital Bombardment.

What's hurting is the lack of relics, but anything else? The only one you can't match in stats is Marneus Calgar, and that dude was a Lord of War in the last edition. And even THEN the captain can almost match him as Marneus is stuck with T4 and the generic guy can buy Terminator Armour or a Bike to get to T5, negating the single additional wound Calgar has.

All named Chapter Masters right now have the "Chapter Master" rule that gives all units of the same chapter within 6" the ability to reroll all failed hit rolls. Its a HUGE buff, and one that right now only named Chapter Masters receive, so if you run custom or successor chapters and want to use it you are SoL for now...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Generic Chapter Masters are gone. Big F.U, to anyone who runs successor chapters/custom chapters.

Why though? Chapter Masters were literally +1W and +1Attack and Orbital Bombardment.

What's hurting is the lack of relics, but anything else? The only one you can't match in stats is Marneus Calgar, and that dude was a Lord of War in the last edition. And even THEN the captain can almost match him as Marneus is stuck with T4 and the generic guy can buy Terminator Armour or a Bike to get to T5, negating the single additional wound Calgar has.

All named Chapter Masters right now have the "Chapter Master" rule that gives all units of the same chapter within 6" the ability to reroll all failed hit rolls. Its a HUGE buff, and one that right now only named Chapter Masters receive, so if you run custom or successor chapters and want to use it you are SoL for now...

It's just within 6''. it's not armywide or anything, and we usually hit on 3's anyway. so it's 3s rerolling 1s or 3s rerolling both 1s and 2s.
All three chapter masters have it, yeah. that's it though. it's three guys. Pedro, Marneus, Helbrecht. Everyone else is stuck with the same 1's to reroll.

And don't forget to look at the points. In my example above there's enough points left for a 2nd Captain with a decent kit, that's another 1's rerolling bubble that comes with additional wounds and everything.

Your not sol. Put down a kit bashes model for your chapter master and say hes a counts as named guy. Now you have your own cm using the rules of a cm.

 Lance845 wrote:
Your not sol. Put down a kit bashes model for your chapter master and say hes a counts as named guy. Now you have your own cm using the rules of a cm.

Yepp, that's also always an option. and seeing how Chapter Tactics are gone the ONLY downside is preventing yourself from picking up any named characters from a different chapter. You can still grab generic Captains and Chaplains, though.

nekooni wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Your not sol. Put down a kit bashes model for your chapter master and say hes a counts as named guy. Now you have your own cm using the rules of a cm.

Yepp, that's also always an option. and seeing how Chapter Tactics are gone the ONLY downside is preventing yourself from picking up any named characters from a different chapter. You can still grab generic Captains and Chaplains, though.

you will probably get a CM once the codexes start rolling out slowly. probably with relics. (from what i understand some one asked and they confirmed that there are still codexes)

also can some one confirm the lack of melta bombs?

Something I've noticed, specific to Blood Angels.

In the Blood Angels unique unit point cost section, there's a listing for Company Veterans with Jump Packs. having a unit sie of 2 to 5 models.

I assume this is meant to replace the old Jump Pack Command Squad that previously contained 3 veterans, a company champion, and a Sanguinary Novitiate (Apothecary).

There doesn't appear to be an actual data slate entry for Company Veterans with Jump Packs anywhere in the book that I've seen. There is one in the standard/codex marine chapter section for Company Veterans, but it has no option to have Jump Packs added a-la the power armored chaplain or librarian (also adding the FLY and JUMP INFANTRY keywords) that I saw, but I admit I only got a brief look at it.

It seems that dataslate got overlooked? I couldn't find it anywhere. Anyone out there following along able to take a look and see?

Thanks, and take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Ork looted wagon is gone. It was asked on the 40k page. They replied its gone but never know what the future might bring.

A few bits here and there are missing or are plain odd. The index books though we know wont be around long

Death Guard can't take keyworded Terminators, havocs or chosen despite being fluffy.

Doesn't stop them taking them in an army though with chaos keyword, and will probably be changed once the Death Guard dex is out. Infact, there is pretty much no negatives what so ever in taking these units without the keyword (except for Lord of Contagion/Typhus' ability)

I'm sad my Ork 'Ard boyz are now just wearing really really
'Eavy T-shirts now.

The loss of definitive Chaos Marks was a bit of a shock at first, but they wouldn't have translated in the new edition.

Was also surprised by the (fluffy?) restrictions in my Death Guard army, but in a sense all I really lost were really Tax units from the Warband anyway. Never used terminators or Havocs before Traitor Legions before so I'll use go back to cultist spam and heavier options.