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I'm wondering if when the official 8th edition deathwatch codex is released, if they'll make new units like for example deathwatch veteran scouts or deathwatch primaris marines.
The reason I suggested scouts is because from what I've seen in the lore deathwatch veterans have been know to use scout armour for infiltration missions
And if these primaris space marines are as skilled as they say they are then, why would the inquisition not recruit then into the deathwatch?

I could see scouts and Primaris having their moment in the sun so to speak, although I'm not sure that Deathwatch is high on the priority list of codices GW will be releasing in the near future,.

Just a thoughts all but still the idea does sound cool being able to have scouts with stalker pattern bolters
Seeing as the only unit in the entire space marine codex with a stalker pattern bolter is a bloody ultramarine.
Why not give the raven guard such weapons seeing as stealth is their speciality?

naoki the curseblood wrote:
Just a thoughts all but still the idea does sound cool being able to have scouts with stalker pattern bolters

Agreed, it would certainly fit with the overall feel of the Deathwatch while buffing their options

I do still respect the ultramarines some what but it's iritating that they get treated like the perfect special snowflakes
But they're still good in some ways

naoki the curseblood wrote:
I do still respect the ultramarines some what but it's iritating that they get treated like the perfect special snowflakes

Yeah, that's what comes with the territory when you're GW's poster boys. The same can be said for every other chapter that has its own separate codex, but I understand where you're coming from. there can be some draw to fielding the front-and-center golden boy of the Space Marine Legions, but I'm trying to move more toward niche narrative-based forces that are more personalized to my own mythos and view of the 40k universe.

Good point there but still they at times still kind of over do it with them plus most of their special characters are some what mary sues just saying. I apologise if I'm being rude in anyway

naoki the curseblood wrote:
Good point there but still they at times still kind of over do it with them plus most of their special characters are some what mary sues just saying i apologise if I'm being rude in anyway

No worries I understand the sentiment from both perspectives.

In 6th ed I did enjoy using the raptors chapter tactics

naoki the curseblood wrote:
In 6th ed I did enjoy using the raptors chapter tactics

Which one was that again?

They were the forge world chapter that one of their rules was if they didn't move during the movement phase and if they were armed with a bolter or bolt pistol they could fire the weapon with rending rule

Dang that's a potent buff to be sure. Not sure that rending has a place in 8th from what I've seen; seems to be replaced by mortal wounds.

Just to let you know the pistol/rapid fire part of the weapons profile was replaced with heavy one

one thing to keep in mind about the Ultramarines is codex space marines used to be Codex Ultramarines.

I didn't know that but I have a question were they treated like mary sues back then?

I started playing around 5th edition so honestly couldn't tell you entirely how things have changed over the editions, beyond I think the term Mary sue is over used.

the main problem mostly seems to stem from the codex saying how awesome the Ultramarines are, nevermind that codices almost always talk about how awesome the subject of the codex is, that the Ultramarines never suffer any losses (they do. the first battle for Damnos is a notable one. also it's not like other 'dexes are filled with page after page of defeat. the dark angels 7th edition codex features a whopping total of 2 losses) ohh and a hang up over the 5th edition codex saying Gulliman was every space Marine's "Spirtual leige" clumsy language but the general gist, that even non Ultramarines sucessors would hold him in high regard, was proably right.

Good point I joined around 5th ed but I didn't know much about the fluff back then but ive learned a lot about the lore now

naoki the curseblood wrote:
I didn't know that but I have a question were they treated like mary sues back then?

Because GW decided to promote four Chapters as their Big Four TM, like how Chaos have their Big Four TM: the World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Death Guard and Thousand Sons.

The Space Marine Big Four TM was Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Ultramarines. With the other three, GW made them specialised, accentuating certain elements of them. With the Ultramarines, they made them the Standard model, the baseline of Space Marine. However, with being a baseline, GW had to make them look good too.

I can't remember the exact quote, but to my knowledge they said something along the lines of "One Chapter needed to picked as the Chosen One, and it just so happened to be the Ultramarines."

I don't know why people pick at the Ultramarines specifically when the others get away with some of the most blatant Plot Armor in the Imperium, such as the Wolves constant battles with the inquisition.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't know why people pick at the Ultramarines specifically when the others get away with some of the most blatant Plot Armor in the Imperium, such as the Wolves constant battles with the inquisition.

Because matt fething ward is a smurf fanboy who told everyone their favorite chapter was second best to his favorite and that your guys all wanted to be his guys cause omfg smurfs are so great then he made it official lore.

Before that no one cared about smurfs at all.

Scouts in most chapters are rookies, most Marines sent to the Deathwatch are Veterans. Interestingly enough Space Wolves sent to the Deathwatch are usually Wolf Scouts, I remember reading that the Wolf Scouts are oddballs in the Wolves' ranks for preferring less company rather than a a big pack, Deathwatch service affords them independence beyond even being Wolf Scouts.
As for other chapters becoming Scouts would be seen as a demotion.

hobojebus wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't know why people pick at the Ultramarines specifically when the others get away with some of the most blatant Plot Armor in the Imperium, such as the Wolves constant battles with the inquisition.

Because matt fething ward is a smurf fanboy who told everyone their favorite chapter was second best to his favorite and that your guys all wanted to be his guys cause omfg smurfs are so great then he made it official lore.

Before that no one cared about smurfs at all.

Yep one paragraph of text blown out of proportion thanks to 4chan and nobody lets it go since.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't know why people pick at the Ultramarines specifically when the others get away with some of the most blatant Plot Armor in the Imperium, such as the Wolves constant battles with the inquisition.

Because matt fething ward is a smurf fanboy who told everyone their favorite chapter was second best to his favorite and that your guys all wanted to be his guys cause omfg smurfs are so great then he made it official lore.

Before that no one cared about smurfs at all.

Yep one paragraph of text blown out of proportion thanks to 4chan and nobody lets it go since.

Ironically enough successful memes are usually a single sentence, one paragraph is actually pretty lengthy.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Scouts in most chapters are rookies, most Marines sent to the Deathwatch are Veterans. Interestingly enough Space Wolves sent to the Deathwatch are usually Wolf Scouts, I remember reading that the Wolf Scouts are oddballs in the Wolves' ranks for preferring less company rather than a a big pack, Deathwatch service affords them independence beyond even being Wolf Scouts.
As for other chapters becoming Scouts would be seen as a demotion.

Well there are chapters which specialize in stealth like the raven guard and the raptors if issued the inquisitorial scout armour would make infiltration a more easier task for them

Newb question regarding the Deathwatch special ammunition rule. Are these compatible with Storm bolters? or only bolt rifles, twin bolters, etc? seems like the kraken and vengeance rounds would be sweet on the Rapid fire 2 storm bolters.

 Djangomatic82 wrote:
Newb question regarding the Deathwatch special ammunition rule. Are these compatible with Storm bolters? or only bolt rifles, twin bolters, etc? seems like the kraken and vengeance rounds would be sweet on the Rapid fire 2 storm bolters.

Aw crud, forgot to check that myself.
Guns don't actually have the special ammo, models/units do. 7th edition Terminators don't have the Special Ammo rule, forgot to check 8th.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't know why people pick at the Ultramarines specifically when the others get away with some of the most blatant Plot Armor in the Imperium, such as the Wolves constant battles with the inquisition.

Because matt fething ward is a smurf fanboy who told everyone their favorite chapter was second best to his favorite and that your guys all wanted to be his guys cause omfg smurfs are so great then he made it official lore.

Before that no one cared about smurfs at all.

Yep one paragraph of text blown out of proportion thanks to 4chan and nobody lets it go since.

it's even funnier when you realize the sentence was mostly seen as offensive by people with their own special snowflake chapters. the idea that Codex, non UM sucessor chapters would hold Gulliman in high regard seems pretty logical to me.

I didn't want to start a new topic (and apologies if answered somewhere else), but I wanted to ask opinions on the 8th ed Deathwatch rules.

In regards to Storm shields. Are they 15pts for characters and 5pts for all other models or are they a flat 15pts? I am planning my armies for DW and am using 15pts each atm (because it is in the Other wargear section of the Deathwatch entry, I gather they pay 15 flat because a lot of models have access to them). However, if look at the SM wargear points list (which DW use for most of their weapons and equip etc, it is 15pts for characters and 5 pts each for everyone else).
As stated I think it is 15pts each for DW regardless if a character or all other models, but just curious if I am correct in my interpretation.

Cheers all,
SC

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
I didn't want to start a new topic (and apologies if answered somewhere else), but I wanted to ask opinions on the 8th ed Deathwatch rules.

In regards to Storm shields. Are they 15pts for characters and 5pts for all other models or are they a flat 15pts? I am planning my armies for DW and am using 15pts each atm (because it is in the Other wargear section of the Deathwatch entry, I gather they pay 15 flat because a lot of models have access to them). However, if look at the SM wargear points list (which DW use for most of their weapons and equip etc, it is 15pts for characters and 5 pts each for everyone else).
As stated I think it is 15pts each for DW regardless if a character or all other models, but just curious if I am correct in my interpretation.

Cheers all,
SC

I agree with you there mate

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
I didn't want to start a new topic (and apologies if answered somewhere else), but I wanted to ask opinions on the 8th ed Deathwatch rules.

In regards to Storm shields. Are they 15pts for characters and 5pts for all other models or are they a flat 15pts? I am planning my armies for DW and am using 15pts each atm (because it is in the Other wargear section of the Deathwatch entry, I gather they pay 15 flat because a lot of models have access to them). However, if look at the SM wargear points list (which DW use for most of their weapons and equip etc, it is 15pts for characters and 5 pts each for everyone else).
As stated I think it is 15pts each for DW regardless if a character or all other models, but just curious if I am correct in my interpretation.

Cheers all,
SC

That's the way I read it. Deathwatch Storm Shields are crazy expensive.