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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 01:02:10
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Snivelling Workbot
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I'm thinking about grabbing Inquisitor Greyfax as she brings a huge amount of anti-psyker utility to my totally psyker-less imperial subfaction. Is this worth it? Are there any really abusable powers to be really worried about? Most of the Tyranid, Inquisition, Adeptus whateverus powers I've seen look... unintimidating? The exception perhaps being the Tyranid onslaught power which lets some horrifying creature move, advance, fire normally, and charge in one turn. (e.g. Old One Eye with an expected single turn charge distance of 17.5")
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 01:23:06
Subject: Re:Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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even if it turns out that you don't need it Greyfax is a pretty solid Psyker in her own right
at 85 points, she's a steal
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 01:26:33
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Tail Gunner
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Not at all, the entire psychic system in 8th is pretty awful, from the powers themselves to the rule of one. I understand their intentions, but they swung too far along the scale from overpowered to under.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 01:49:06
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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SeraphimXIX wrote:Not at all, the entire psychic system in 8th is pretty awful, from the powers themselves to the rule of one. I understand their intentions, but they swung too far along the scale from overpowered to under.
I'm hoping GW is just being shy and intendes to release a psyker book down the line with new powers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 03:22:52
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Man O' War
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I played a game with the leaked materials today with a chaos sorcerer. The spells he has access to were not overpowered at all. I did a few mortal wounds to a couple units gave some to hit buffs and then got eaten by the warp. If you have a cheap pysker or anti psyker go for it otherwise it's not game breaking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 03:24:22
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
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Psykers are pretty in line with shooting now, not too strong from what I have seen.
Unless there is tons of mortal wound spam from what one dude on here has told me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 03:29:56
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Do you like your opponent to have teleporting orks ?
If no take anti psyker options
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 03:34:14
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I'm doing a Inquisition army with Greyfax and 20 sisters of Silence... I'm prepared for the OP Psychic powers that are gonna come with the proper Codexs
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 04:01:56
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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steerpike92 wrote:I'm thinking about grabbing Inquisitor Greyfax as she brings a huge amount of anti-psyker utility to my totally psyker-less imperial subfaction. Is this worth it? Are there any really abusable powers to be really worried about?
Most of the Tyranid, Inquisition, Adeptus whateverus powers I've seen look... unintimidating?
The exception perhaps being the Tyranid onslaught power which lets some horrifying creature move, advance, fire normally, and charge in one turn. (e.g. Old One Eye with an expected single turn charge distance of 17.5")
As A TS Player your not going to see very many Armies that have more psykers then mine does (I currently have 12 Sorcerers and 12 units with embedded Sorcerers) As of right now I will probably bring 1 MAYBE 2 since there is absolutely no point in bringing more then 2 at most because of the rule of 1, and anything not a Named character is unlikely to cast any of the decent spells.
One Counter caster is probably fine, simply keep a unit of guardsman between their Psykers and your important units that way you don't have to worry about denying Smite.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 04:14:16
Subject: Re:Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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To be fair, I think people are still struggling with how to utilize the new psychic phase to get the most from it. Most of us are really used to just rolling everything on 1-2 disciplines, and focusing on multiples of the same psykers. To abuse the phase this edition, you grab allied psykers from other armies. Admittedly, many of the buffs won't work, but you cna still get an impressive number of varying debuffs and mind bullet powers when you consider anything that isn't tyranids/orks can draw from at least 4 or 5 different tables and remain battle forged.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 06:43:43
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Lol your armies must be horrible complex. The ork psykick phase is just roll a 7+ decide if you want to take the risk to buff up your roll at the cost of perils and choose what unit you want to teleport : )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 07:00:52
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As of right now psychic focus means in matched play you can only use a power once across the army.
In other words you need a grey knight space wolf blood angel space marine and dark angel Libby of you want it to be like last edition.
In fact I might just do that with my grey Knights. Each Libby is totally (insert faction here) just so my army with 20 psykers can actually cast more than 4 spells.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 09:14:32
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Powers are a lot easier to stop now so having one psyker certainly won't hurt you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 10:14:18
Subject: Re:Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Been Around the Block
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Well my gaming group are pretty excited by the powers even in matched play.
People seem to think that unless they can do everything and create an unstoppable force then the game isn't fair. But if everyone has almost similar powers then it is more balanced and comes down to how you use them.
I plan to take, Typhus, two Plague Casters, and a Herald. Typhus will probably take the Damage spell while the two Plague Casters take one of the others each. The Herald will take the healing spell to keep the Plague Drones alive.
Typhus having the damage makes his Poxwalkers bodyguard more survivable and the others keep the Plague Drones and Blight Drones alive to get into combat.
Psykers are a force multiplier like all Characters, they have added risk. Most powers are power 5 which is the equivalent of Warp Charge 1 in 7th. You would usually use at least two dice to get that 4+ and ran the risk of getting double 6. Granted now you also perils on double 1. But now the highest cast level I have seen is 7 (whivh everyone tells me is average on two d6) so you stay at the same risk chance. In 7th for Warp Charge two you were throwing at least 4 dice to rely on it which increases the risk of Perils.
Ok, so right now we have no way to boost casting chance or reduce Perils. Well that was a terrible move in 7th anyway. It reduces the risk of getting some of those ridiculous rewards in 7th.
Powers are pretty standard across the board and risk is a little higher, everything is about application rather than taking the same best things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/06/04 10:32:26
Subject: Are Psykers looking strong enough to warrant including dedicated anti-psyker support?
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Sw powers are good two make foot slogging much less risky and jaws will be brutal against orks and guard.
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