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Galas wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I always found it funny that Tau was the mecha army as in the fluff the giant robots were everyone else's gig and Tau just used bigger guns.

...but then the bigger mechs came out and squashed that.

The old pragmatical Tau fluff was so good... but as much as internet hate to admit, people loves their big anime mechas in 40k.

BrianDavion wrote:Keep in mind when I say Tau are clearly anime inspired it's not a base on the Tau it's just the facts. Tau are clearly, aesteticly inspired by Japanese "big stompy robot" anime. this isn't a bad thing, (I also play Battletech, which likewise owes some orgins to that) but if you look at some of the Tau Suits the inspiration is obvious.

this IMHO isn't a bad thing, 40k is such a rich and varied universe it can have something for everyone.

The really ironic part is that Eldar tended to be more anime-inspired with smooth lines and over-compensating weapons while Tau were more reminiscent of Battletech's original work (not the rip-offs) and Heavy Gear. The closest anime that matches Tau is Dougram which trends a little bit astray from the more Gundam and Macross motif that other mecha trended to follow.

 Jambles wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 Jambles wrote:

Except that art in 7th got my opinion, my opinion, my opinion, my opinion, my opinion.

But but grognards and super nerds.

You're proving my point dude

So, Age of Sigmar having rules about imaginary horses, or shooting out of close combat, is an opinion?

Models having more detail than before, and having overall style of detail overdose, is an opinion?

That art became mostly CGI, shown only models and was obviously cheaper than before, is an opinion?

And having that "opinion", makes me a "freaking grognard", and "absolute bottom-of-the-barrel, angry, entitled, misogynist, pathetic, sub-human supernerd"?

(proving your point, after all)

What am I to say, now?

Because lol, dude, is all that comes to mind.

 Galas wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't understand what anime has to do with anything.
Not all anime is pokemon or Gundam
Watch something like Fist of the North Star, Evangelion, Berserk or Violence Jack expecting colorful, happy fun times and you'll be very, very surprised.

Doing ignorant claims is easy. Is like saying "all superheroes comics are commercial crap", and then you have "The Boys" by Garth Ennis or "Arkham Assylum", etc... the kind of people that does those ignorant claims, is the kind of people that don't bother to look for information about something they don't know about.

Who's being ignorant exactly ? Clearly the art style has changed over the years taking new directions. I'm actually an artist. I can identify fusion anime as in mix between anime and other styles of art BECAUSE I STUDIED ART. AND I AM NOT ONLY A PROFESSIONAL ARTIST BUT A GAME DEVELOPER. ( And I don't give a if you believe it or not, because I have autism. And it's not the first time someone has underestimated me or misjudged my talents)

As in it's easy to identify when you know what it looks like. Teen Titans Comes to mind or DC's Emperor Joker there are many sub styles of Fusion Anime/ Manga You don't even know what fusion anime/manga is do you?














I have watched anime, read manga and drawn it, for over 25 years. You know when you're a trained professional you tend to study the material you like .

So who's ignorant again? Maybe just you?

There are other people in this thread that have talked about the style moving from realistic to more cartoonish depending on the time period artists and edition of the game.

The argument it has always been cartoonish (which is not actually a word) holds some weight. But that has changed over the years swinging between realism and well comic. Thus the gradient of style has changed. Meaning at one point it was less cartoon then a previous edition. It's now looking very very cartoonish/ fusion anime. THE BASE SCULPT NOT THE PAINT. I don't care if you can't see it. But I can. As an artists and as a professional.

It's now appears to have taken on a American anime fusion style. At least from what this professional artists that loves anime can see. And I AM NOT A FAN of the new direction . it's not the bright colors of the paint. It's the shape of the BASE SCULPT on the models. The primaris marines for example.

No one is ignorant for having a differing opinion then yours. However it's very insulting to call people ignorant when you have nothing to back up your statement.

Gee maybe people don't like being called ignorant. ... who would have thought. Basic human respect comes to mind. Maybe people don't like being told what to think. Maybe the game art style has not been STATIC over the years and the accounts of more then one person in this thread especially people playing through multiple editions actually have a point.

Maybe the only ignorant people are those that refuse to acknowledge that it has gone through various version and styles depending on the edition.

Or maybe you're just ignorant.

What really gets under my skin on this thread is the assumption that by disliking the recent change to new aesthetics is some how attacking the game. Which people take personally. I have sunk over 1000$ into this hobby. I am not attacking the game or its fan base.

But that picture sure as hell has been forced by the adversarial elements posting on this thread It's very disturbing. And I will stick to my guns and hold my own. We are all fans and should treat each other with respect. Disagreeing is one thing but out right calling people ignorant and telling them how to think or act is pushing this conversation out of it's intended direction. And no disagreeing with someone is not supporting an echo chamber. Discussion will always have multiple sides and viewpoints.

What I am asking for is basic human respect. I only ever started to be defensive when I people insisted that no matter what I was wrong. And that I must capitulate or I was some how being rude. Yes I have called people creepy. in response to compelled speech. Because they demanded that unless I agree I was immature. Well no. I will not agree it does not make me immature. Followed by more trolling and more character attacks/ grammar nazism(character assassination) I have demonstrated that it's not black and white issue, that art style is not Static. I have demonstrated that it looks more like DC's Emperors Joker(a fusion anime style) than it ever has before

All I am asking for is a modest bit of compassion in this debate that does not degrade into a flame war. WITH BASIC HUMAN RESPECT. I am fine with dissenting opinion but telling people to capitulate or they are immature or calling them ignorant because they see things differently then you is just wrong.


Any one else want to take a swing at me? Let me be very concise. I AM ALSO A FAN OF THE GAME.. JUST BECAUSE MYSELF AND OTHERS YES MORE THEN ONE PERSON DISLIKE THE NEW ART DIRECTION AND THINK IT LOOKS LIKE FUSION ANIME IT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE ATTACKING THE GAME OR ARE TRYING TO SAY YOU ARE WRONG. IT MEANS WE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON SOMETHING SUBJECTIVE..

MIC DROP

 ForceChoke wrote:
I am fine with dissenting opinion but telling people to capitulate or they are immature or calling them ignorant because they see things differently then you is just wrong.


Any one else want to take a swing at me?

Pot, meet Kettle.

 ForceChoke wrote:
I have sunk over 1000$ into this hobby.

Oh, you dropped a grand into this game? That's low. I've dropped that much into the rulebooks.

 carldooley wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:
I am fine with dissenting opinion but telling people to capitulate or they are immature or calling them ignorant because they see things differently then you is just wrong.


Any one else want to take a swing at me?

Pot, meet Kettle.

Oh, you dropped a grand into this game? That's low. I've dropped that much into the rulebooks.

I think your confusing not wanting to be attacked by abusive people with actual debate and discussion.

Also not of all of us are rolling in cash. Some of us have family and animals and other expenses. I could care less if you can afford more gaming miniatures than I can. I'm just happy more people are playing 40k.

I'm not actually rolling in cash; it's more to do with the fact that I've played the game since before people could download rules off the internet.

Yeah, in order to spend that much on rulebooks, one would have to have been playing for several editions now. Especially if one has multiple armies.

 carldooley wrote:
I'm not actually rolling in cash; it's more to do with the fact that I've played the game since before people could download rules off the internet.

And I have played since 3rd and 4th I have had a few rule books. They were a gift with a few additional purchases here and there. I missed 5th and 6th. Sold all my models. Worked on my education. Got back in for 7th spent over a grand so far. My roommate bought the codex and rules we both play marines. And I'm not very enthusiastic about 8th from what I have seen. Might buy a 5th edition book. I don't see what any of that has to do with staying on topic however. Just tired of being insulted.

Jesus, ForceChoke... you really need to lay off. This is cringey as all hell.

 Purifier wrote:
Jesus, ForceChoke... you really need to lay off. This is cringey as all hell.

Why should I allow people to continue to insult me, badger, harass,demonize, troll, and be abusive. Also how would you do better? I have very little experience being told what to say and how to properly respond other then calling the person an A hole.

I have provided more than enough evidence to prove my point.




But I was still being called ignorant what else am I suppose to do. Be insulted and not defend myself let other people dictate what public should think about me. How would you have handled it better?

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Jesus, ForceChoke... you really need to lay off. This is cringey as all hell.

Why should I allow people to continue to insult me, badger, harass,demonize, troll, and be abusive. Also how would you do better? I have very little experience being told what to say and how to properly respond other then calling the person an A hole.

I have provided more than enough evidence to prove my point.




But I was still being called ignorant what else am I suppose to do. Be insulted and not defend myself let other people dictate what public should think about me. How would you have handled it better?

You're trying to extinguish a fire by dropping gasoline on it. Just stop.

 Purifier wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Jesus, ForceChoke... you really need to lay off. This is cringey as all hell.

Why should I allow people to continue to insult me, badger, harass,demonize, troll, and be abusive. Also how would you do better? I have very little experience being told what to say and how to properly respond other then calling the person an A hole.

I have provided more than enough evidence to prove my point.




But I was still being called ignorant what else am I suppose to do. Be insulted and not defend myself let other people dictate what public should think about me. How would you have handled it better?

You're trying to extinguish a fire by dropping gasoline on it. Just stop.

By defending myself from abuse and definitively proving I was right ? I defy you to do better when 15 people kick you while your down. Insult you just because other people are doing it. They aren't my friends. They were not being respectful. I will not accept being treated like a dog. Especially when I was easily able to prove I was right.

 ForceChoke wrote:

By defending myself from abuse and definitively proving I was right ? I defy you to do better when 15 people kick you while your down. Insult you just because other people are doing it.

Ok, keep going. You're doing great. Whatever.

 Purifier wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:

By defending myself from abuse and definitively proving I was right ? I defy you to do better when 15 people kick you while your down. Insult you just because other people are doing it.

Ok, keep going. You're doing great. Whatever.

I won I don't need to keep trying.

Isn't that pointing pose fairly generic though? I mean, you see it a lot on GW minis.

Here's an Ork doing it



Here's an Eldar Ranger doing it. Main weapon is a bit higher, but its still the same sort of thing; body off to the side, left hand weapon extended.




Then we have these old GK models doing a similar sort of thing



Have you considered that that pose is not an anime thing, but a stylistic thing intended to show off as much as the character as possible?
All I see is coincidence with your examples.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Have you considered that that pose is not an anime thing, but a stylistic thing intended to show off as much as the character as possible?

Here's Ironman and the Hulk doing it together.

Man...there's a lot of guys pointing in fiction. Guess their mothers never told them it was rude

I think out of all the completely bonkers threads to come out of 8th (including 14 pages of ragemathhammer trying to convince everyone that GW had an evil hateboner for chaos because 2 units cost the same, only to find out that the loyalist unit was almost triple the points) this one has the purest crazy.

I don't see it. Moreover it's not like the previous sculpts have been super realistic, they've always been stylised to some degree, you may have noticed all the skulls for example. Also if you need to flip that hard to prove your point you may need to take 5 mins out to chill otherwise call a mod if people are being abusive.

The problem with most creative people in video games, movies, magazines etc. is that they are very young. They can not possibly master all aspects of creating an imperfect object at the time it is expected from them to deliver. Thusly their creations will take the appearance of that which is made by hand.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
If you put [ img]image link[ /img] (without the spaces in the brackets) your post will show with images instead.

Also I love those new Death Guard models, that Lord of Contagion is honestly in my top 5 of best models ever made.

Images he posted above:

Spoiler:

Yes they look cool. But not very convertible. Your friends death guard might look exactly like yours but brown while yours are yellow green.

They're monopose bro? It's a starter box? Have you ever tried converting an AOBR Space Marine?

..How is that pose supposed to.. prove anything? Is that pose specific to anime? Despite being in far more works then just anime?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Isn't that pointing pose fairly generic though? I mean, you see it a lot on GW minis.

Here's an Ork doing it



Here's an Eldar Ranger doing it. Main weapon is a bit higher, but its still the same sort of thing; body off to the side, left hand weapon extended.




Then we have these old GK models doing a similar sort of thing

Spoiler:

Have you considered that that pose is not an anime thing, but a stylistic thing intended to show off as much as the character as possible?
All I see is coincidence with your examples.

Not even close. The action lines may be similar but the negative space and angle of the legs is a Fusion Anime style. I'm not going to even bother anymore. Comments like I don't see it. Okay.... I don't care if you don't see it. The anime stance is a very distinct pose.

Gundam is famous for it.

I'm not going to try to convince true believers. You can argue with the evidence all you want. It's really blatant. And no the orc is not doing the same thing. The action lines are off. Same with Iron man.


The Tilt of the legs and width of the negative space are all STRONG indicators of anime influence. And that's not he only example I found.

It's not even hard to see.

I don't even know if you're just at this point trying to defend your hobby some how. But I give up. I studied this. It's like a DR saying look you have cancer and you're like. It doesn't feel like cancer it's probably tennis elbow.


http://kotaku.com/some-of-animes-most-famous-poses-and-techniques-1709259375



Still don't see it?



Vs This. Which also has strong anime/manga influence in the design. Meaning the above Primaris marines look more anime then this.

ForceChoke, I apologize if you thought that I was calling you ignorant. I was talking about people that think that all anime is just pokemon or digimon, not knowing that is a proper animation style and it goes from anime for childs to anime for adults, etc...

Again, I'm sorry. But actually you responses have been very well tought and I have learned something. Thanks for that.

Oh, so that also is anime, but doesn't have the posings. So basically everything that has been drawn is anime. No, your arbitrary readings of some generic poses isn't convincing.

The Eldar ranger has EXACTLY the same pose as a few of the ones in your anime picture, and yet you arbitrarily rule him out. Nope, you're being silly.

 Purifier wrote:
Oh, so that also is anime, but doesn't have the posings. So basically everything that has been drawn is anime. No, your arbitrary readings of some generic poses isn't convincing.

The Eldar ranger has EXACTLY the same pose as a few of the ones in your anime picture, and yet you arbitrarily rule him out. Nope, you're being silly.

Whatever you want to believe . I can see visually the stances are not the same style. Weight distribution action lines slope and angle of the legs. Etc.

Other people with out art backgrounds can see it. Are multiple people wrong ?

Cool story bro.

I'm not sure how it looks more anime than it used to.

My Canoness stands like that.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Oh, so that also is anime, but doesn't have the posings. So basically everything that has been drawn is anime. No, your arbitrary readings of some generic poses isn't convincing.

The Eldar ranger has EXACTLY the same pose as a few of the ones in your anime picture, and yet you arbitrarily rule him out. Nope, you're being silly.

Whatever you want to believe . I can see visually the stances are not the same style. Weight distribution action lines slope and angle of the legs. Etc.

Other people with out art backgrounds can see it. Are multiple people wrong ?

Cool story bro.

You're seeing what you want to see. It's clear that you're ignoring some things to fit your narrative. It's when you brag about having autism that you lose all credibility. I mean if a doctor told me "you have cancer, and I don't care if you believe me because I have autism" you can bet your beard against a rabid weasel that I wouldn't trust him to have the slightest idea what he's talking about.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I'm not sure how it looks more anime than it used to.

My Canoness stands like that.

does your canoness look like mega man or have astro boy boots? Because the primaris marines do.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Make your point WITHOUT insulting vast swathes of people. - Alpharius]