So my wolf brothers how do you feel about our list?

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**Dakka Wolf**

Ragnar69 wrote:
I fear our Claws are once again sub-par. 5 WG bikers cost only 15 points more than 5 Swiftclaws, have way better shooting (bolter + twin-bolter!), are just as good in melee on the charge and better when not charging and have better option for equipment.

Blood Claws lose out to the way more flexible Grey Hunters with only 1 point difference.

Skyclaws could be a tad better than WG with jump packs as you get 25% more models for the same points.

TWC are not bad but no auto-include anymore. I can't wait to use my Wolf Lord and WG in TDA again
Though getting a Land Raider for them is still out of the question. While the models are viable now, their costs have also increased and you would have 1/3 of your army in one basket.

Can you get a Wolf Lord in TDA?
I'm pretty sure the only Vanilla Wolf Lord you can get comes standard with a Thunderwolf and only Grimnar comes with it.

**ArmchairArbiter**

Dakka Wolf wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
I fear our Claws are once again sub-par. 5 WG bikers cost only 15 points more than 5 Swiftclaws, have way better shooting (bolter + twin-bolter!), are just as good in melee on the charge and better when not charging and have better option for equipment.

Blood Claws lose out to the way more flexible Grey Hunters with only 1 point difference.

Skyclaws could be a tad better than WG with jump packs as you get 25% more models for the same points.

TWC are not bad but no auto-include anymore. I can't wait to use my Wolf Lord and WG in TDA again
Though getting a Land Raider for them is still out of the question. While the models are viable now, their costs have also increased and you would have 1/3 of your army in one basket.

Can you get a Wolf Lord in TDA?
I'm pretty sure the only Vanilla Wolf Lord you can get comes standard with a Thunderwolf and only Grimnar comes with it.

You can't take a Wolf Lord as far as I can tell without it being on the thunder wolf. However.. you can take the Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Termie armor as your HQ.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

I am disappointed to see the Tempestas Discipline being tiny. I'm also noticing a distinct lack of Fury of the Wolf Spirits and Living Lightning.

I always liked the idea of my Rune Priests shouting at the sky and being answered by bolts of lightning from above.

Otherwise, looks decent.

**ArmchairArbiter**

Yeah. All the of the psychic disciplines have only 3 abilities though.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Yeah. All the of the psychic disciplines have only 3 abilities though.

Yeah, but the they took away the powers I liked best. Jaws is still here, though.

It does look like Rune Priests will be less auto-take for me, now. I have 3 or 4, and the rule of 1 makes me sad.

Oh well. We'll figure out a way, and I'm sure Bran will still be awesome.

On that note, is Bran in FW's index, or did he go missing since they still don't have a model for him?

**Ragnar69**

Dakka Wolf wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
I fear our Claws are once again sub-par. 5 WG bikers cost only 15 points more than 5 Swiftclaws, have way better shooting (bolter + twin-bolter!), are just as good in melee on the charge and better when not charging and have better option for equipment.

Blood Claws lose out to the way more flexible Grey Hunters with only 1 point difference.

Skyclaws could be a tad better than WG with jump packs as you get 25% more models for the same points.

TWC are not bad but no auto-include anymore. I can't wait to use my Wolf Lord and WG in TDA again
Though getting a Land Raider for them is still out of the question. While the models are viable now, their costs have also increased and you would have 1/3 of your army in one basket.

Can you get a Wolf Lord in TDA?
I'm pretty sure the only Vanilla Wolf Lord you can get comes standard with a Thunderwolf and only Grimnar comes with it.

Yes you can. Index tells you to use space Marine Captain datasheets for it

**Dakka Wolf**

Ragnar69 wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
I fear our Claws are once again sub-par. 5 WG bikers cost only 15 points more than 5 Swiftclaws, have way better shooting (bolter + twin-bolter!), are just as good in melee on the charge and better when not charging and have better option for equipment.

Blood Claws lose out to the way more flexible Grey Hunters with only 1 point difference.

Skyclaws could be a tad better than WG with jump packs as you get 25% more models for the same points.

TWC are not bad but no auto-include anymore. I can't wait to use my Wolf Lord and WG in TDA again
Though getting a Land Raider for them is still out of the question. While the models are viable now, their costs have also increased and you would have 1/3 of your army in one basket.

Can you get a Wolf Lord in TDA?
I'm pretty sure the only Vanilla Wolf Lord you can get comes standard with a Thunderwolf and only Grimnar comes with it.

Yes you can. Index tells you to use space Marine Captain datasheets for it

Ever hear the saying "I'd rather be proved wrong as a pessimist"?
Interestingly enough that is both great news and horrid news at the same time.

**hobojebus**

Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I am disappointed to see the Tempestas Discipline being tiny. I'm also noticing a distinct lack of Fury of the Wolf Spirits and Living Lightning.

I always liked the idea of my Rune Priests shouting at the sky and being answered by bolts of lightning from above.

Otherwise, looks decent.

Smite is living lightning.

**Grimdark**

I reeeeally don't like wulfen.
I'm not that much into TWC.

Aside from getting back "true grit" on our GH, I'm playing vanilla marines, aren't I?

**Ragnar69**

Even without TWC and Wulfen we are better in melee:
2 sergeant equivalents per squad
better melee weapons (frost sword/axe, (greater) wolf claws)
chainswords on our tacticals
dreads with 3++
Stormwolf to deliver 16 frothing maniacs

But yeah, playing without barefeet (claw?) models is like playing DA Greenwing. Pretty much like Vanilla Marines.

EDIT: on the plus side, much of the Vanillas stuff I was enviuos before is not such a big deal anymore. I.e. grav is no longer superior to anything else, Ironclads T8 is not such a big advantage than AV13 was,...

**Dakka Wolf**

Can't wait to see Murderfang in action.
Anything afflicted by the "Curse" of the Wulfen seems to be a Close Combat machine.
Cant wait to see Bran Redmaw the Curs'd Lord and the Redmaw either for that matter.

**kodos**

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
I fear our Claws are once again sub-par. 5 WG bikers cost only 15 points more than 5 Swiftclaws, have way better shooting (bolter + twin-bolter!), are just as good in melee on the charge and better when not charging and have better option for equipment.

Blood Claws lose out to the way more flexible Grey Hunters with only 1 point difference.

Skyclaws could be a tad better than WG with jump packs as you get 25% more models for the same points.

TWC are not bad but no auto-include anymore. I can't wait to use my Wolf Lord and WG in TDA again
Though getting a Land Raider for them is still out of the question. While the models are viable now, their costs have also increased and you would have 1/3 of your army in one basket.

Can you get a Wolf Lord in TDA?
I'm pretty sure the only Vanilla Wolf Lord you can get comes standard with a Thunderwolf and only Grimnar comes with it.

You can't take a Wolf Lord as far as I can tell without it being on the thunder wolf. However.. you can take the Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Termie armor as your HQ.

of course you can, first page of SW rules say to use the generic SM Datasheet for a Lord without Wolf

**Dakka Wolf**

Anybody planning on using Fen Wolves in this edition?

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Dakka Wolf wrote:
Anybody planning on using Fen Wolves in this edition?

Are they good? I've never had anything come of them, so the 5 I have just sit around. I use one for Bran Redmaw, because I have no idea how big he's supposed to be.

**ArmchairArbiter**

kodos wrote:
ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
I fear our Claws are once again sub-par. 5 WG bikers cost only 15 points more than 5 Swiftclaws, have way better shooting (bolter + twin-bolter!), are just as good in melee on the charge and better when not charging and have better option for equipment.

Blood Claws lose out to the way more flexible Grey Hunters with only 1 point difference.

Skyclaws could be a tad better than WG with jump packs as you get 25% more models for the same points.

TWC are not bad but no auto-include anymore. I can't wait to use my Wolf Lord and WG in TDA again
Though getting a Land Raider for them is still out of the question. While the models are viable now, their costs have also increased and you would have 1/3 of your army in one basket.

Can you get a Wolf Lord in TDA?
I'm pretty sure the only Vanilla Wolf Lord you can get comes standard with a Thunderwolf and only Grimnar comes with it.

You can't take a Wolf Lord as far as I can tell without it being on the thunder wolf. However.. you can take the Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Termie armor as your HQ.

of course you can, first page of SW rules say to use the generic SM Datasheet for a Lord without Wolf

Yeah I'm an idiot. I figured it out tonight lol.

**Anpu42**

I just talked about them on my thread...and yes

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Anpu42 wrote:
I just talked about them on my thread...and yes

This is on Fenrisian Wolves, right?

What makes them good? They look to me to be incredibly fragile and fairly unimpressive offensively.

They're also fairly expensive for a gun-fodder unit, coming in at three times more than a Conscript, who is about as resilient and only marginally less killy.

**Aetare**

Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Anpu42 wrote:
I just talked about them on my thread...and yes

This is on Fenrisian Wolves, right?

What makes them good? They look to me to be incredibly fragile and fairly unimpressive offensively.

They're also fairly expensive for a gun-fodder unit, coming in at three times more than a Conscript, who is about as resilient and only marginally less killy.

I think the idea is that the wolves are mobile enough to keep up with your Thunderlord and Cavalry as meat shields, which the conscripts cannot.

**Dakka Wolf**

Anpu42 wrote:
I just talked about them on my thread...and yes

You were talking to me.
I was trying to get more opinions and ideas.

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Aetare wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Anpu42 wrote:
I just talked about them on my thread...and yes

This is on Fenrisian Wolves, right?

What makes them good? They look to me to be incredibly fragile and fairly unimpressive offensively.

They're also fairly expensive for a gun-fodder unit, coming in at three times more than a Conscript, who is about as resilient and only marginally less killy.

I think the idea is that the wolves are mobile enough to keep up with your Thunderlord and Cavalry as meat shields, which the conscripts cannot.

I think I'll be using them as locking units to prevent other units from backing out of combat.

**mmzero252**

I plan on using them as quick distractions. My sisters of battle never want to be in close combat. So I'll most likely put a little group in front of girls/vehicles that don't already have Celestine and the seraphim in front of them. They may be 9 points a wolf, but that's honestly cheaper than the other close combat options I would already be using. Plus they're faster than those options as well.

**hobojebus**

Well if your opponents shooting your wolves they arnt shooting more expensive units, if they don't you'll stop the. Stepping out of cc and shooting you.

**Dakka Wolf**

I was thinking about putting them with my Deathwatch to be cheap wounds - Sisters might be a really cool ally for them.

**mmzero252**

It feels like a pretty good source of quick distractions for little points. Especially since I'm not going to be cheating like so many others and using my acts of faith on exorcists...

**Dakka Wolf**

Acts of Faith?

**mmzero252**

Dakka Wolf wrote:
Acts of Faith?

It's a sisters thing. No need to worry

. I mix the armies quite a lot. It's waaay easier to do now in this new addition. Everyone can benefit from a horde of conscripts now!

**Aetare**

mmzero252 wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
Acts of Faith?

It's a sisters thing. No need to worry . I mix the armies quite a lot. It's waaay easier to do now in this new addition. Everyone can benefit from a horde of conscripts now!

Better question is, can I afford to spend the time painting a horde of conscripts to be meat shields for more valuable things

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Aetare wrote:
mmzero252 wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
Acts of Faith?

It's a sisters thing. No need to worry . I mix the armies quite a lot. It's waaay easier to do now in this new addition. Everyone can benefit from a horde of conscripts now!

Better question is, can I afford to spend the time painting a horde of conscripts to be meat shields for more valuable things

That depends. It's easier if you do them slowly over time.

I've got 80 regular guardsmen [and a bunch more with assorted special and heavy weapons] that I've been meaning to re-paint to match my tanks. Unfortunately, I just never get around to it. It was way easier painting them when I got them!

Though if you do need 50 conscripts, I'd buy ten of the $10 snap-fit sets [it's cheaper, and conscripts don't get any of the special options], and spray-paint the sprues before assembly. That doesn't take long.

**Dakka Wolf**

Looking forwards to seeing the other Indexes, can't wait to see Orks.

**xmbk**

Arjac gives an extra attack to each WG that is within 6" of him at the start of the Fight phase, as opposed to after Pile In. The attacks are not at the start of the phase, and he certainly doesn't get an extra attack for each WG model near him.

**hobojebus**

xmbk wrote:
Arjac gives an extra attack to each WG that is within 6" of him at the start of the Fight phase, as opposed to after Pile In. The attacks are not at the start of the phase, and he certainly doesn't get an extra attack for each WG model near him.

Still a strong ability give those wolf guard TH/SS and watch most things die with a guranteed 3 wounds per sucessful attack.