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Eh... T2 Charge without a Gnarlmaw has a pretty good chance.

You're moving 16" minimum (assuming a 1 on your Advance T1) and charge 2d6+1.

Nurglings are amazing and easily underestimated.
I had loads of them sitting on objectives all round the board, opponent spent a crap ton of firepower to try and shift them to no real avail.

Having a 5+ and a 5++ against most damage is kinda huge on a cheap four wound model.
Even at T2 people constantly underestimate how difficult they are to clear off.

it's not clear how Syll'esske works for me, he can attack twice but that mean if i cant do a consolidation move i will never attack the 2nd time?

Some especially daft people are arguing it in a nonsensical manner, and until we get official confirmation from GW we can't be 100% sure. But the reasonable interpretation of his rules is that you MAY make a consolidation move, and then whether you did or not, you attack again with him.

yes i could agree but in datasheet is specifically wrote "after you MAKE a consolidation move", so looks like is mandatory.

So make a 0" consolation move? Gw is on record saying thats a legal option with other moves of the same type (remember the silly arguments about russes a few years ago? Or dark angels not moving but advancing to get jinx?). Rules are after you swing you can consolidate. Your allowed to move any direction up to 3" as long as you move towards the closest enemy unit. If your base to base you make a 0" consolidation move, now you can swing again.

Its like saying because your tau you are skipping the psycic phase. You cant do that even if you have no psychic powers to cast, the phase still happens just nothing happened during it. Same with the move. It says you may make the move, so as long as you declare your making the move it doesnt matter if you dont go anywhere, the move still happenes and now you can swing again.

yes i just seen some arguing this week end at local tournament, for some if you dont consolidate al least 1" you cant swing again.

Heh, that sucks. I hope the person arguing that was set straight, there is nothing in the rules saying what the distance has to be minimum, just a maximum and a direction.

you know how some wh40k players are

Yes.

"You cant do that!"
Why?
"You have to move at least 1'' to count as consolidating "
Where does it say that?
"It doesnt, but if you do that I am gonna lose and that will crush what little ego i have left!"

Yep, can see that happening. ..

just that's the point, infact that was what happened with Syll'eeske clearing an objective with his 2nd swing and let my 3 demonettes left grab it

Hello everybody - I'm new and I'm not sure if this is the best place to put these question.

I'm trying to make a 500pt and 1000pt list but I have no idea how I should even build my troops. I feel like right now I can't even go to my game store because I don't have an army up and running. I just want to make an army list that is legal to help me learn the game and hopefully not get blown off the table turn 1.

I own:
Wrath and Rapture
Start Collecting Daemons of Khorne
Daemon Prince
1 box of Blood letters

Specific questions:
1) Should I try making a Khorne Battalion with 3 10-man blood letters? Should I even worry about detachments at all at these point levels?
2) When I build my blood letters, should I make each box with one blood reaper, horn, and banner? Or should I just try to make one 30-man unit for a bomb?
3) Would it be useful to mix the Slaanesh and Khorne stuff in the list?
4) What would be the best way to expand this army? Continue dipping into Khorne/Slaanesh or start mixing in Nurgle/Tzeentch?

actually i would mix nurgle/slaanesh honestly, a fast and hard hitting SL battalion and a Nurgle battalion for objective control, i just tried an experimental list last sunday and i got 5th in a 25 men tournament, just tied 1 match and won two.
SL flying Dp, about 90 demonettes 3+4 fiends Syll'eeske the masque, Korne Dp sloppity poxbringer 30 plaguebearers and 2x3 nurglings, im sure it can be build better this is just my 1st attempt with slaanesh. I played an almost mirror match and i tied then i met an ork and i won 20-0 then another close mirror (but he had no slaanesh) and i won 15-5

The new daemon units and models are awesome. Hopefully soon we'll get plastic versions of the Blue Scribes and the dedicated Daemon Prince of Nurgle. Personally, I think to finish up the daemon line, I would love to see dedicated princes for Khorne and Tzeentch, seeing that the two other gods have already have their own. A Phokulozortis model would be sick. Also, if possible, I'd like to see the Khornate phenomena in AoS given 40K rules, like the Slaaneshi spells. Tzeentch and Nurgle, especially Tzeentch, should also have some as well. Then I think that the line would be complete and an updated codex be released.

 blackmage wrote:
actually i would mix nurgle/slaanesh honestly

Fluff-wise, that could well be the grossest thing ever.

If you want to use the minis you actually have...

HQ - Infernal Enrapturess
Elites - Fiends
Troops - Daemonettes
Fast Attack - Seekers

This is a Slaanesh Patrol Detachment and all the models in it gain the Slaanesh Loci. If you give the Daemonettes and Seekers an Instrument and Icon each (I would) it comes to 406pts.

HQ - Karanak
HQ - Blood Throne
Elites- 6 Bloodcrushers
Troops - 30 Bloodletters
Fast Attack - 5 Flesh Hounds

This is a Khorne Patrol Detachment and all the models in it get the Khorne Locus. Alternatively, you could run it as a Khorne Battalion with 3x10 Bloodletters and gain +5CP. Assuming again that you take Icons and Instruments where you can - and take a Gore Hound - this adds up to 1,152pts as a Patrol and 1,202pts as a Battalion.

HQ - Daemon Prince

This can be given any Alignment and plugged into any of the above.

All in all, you have models worth a max. of 1,738pts (with a Khorne Patrol, 1,788pts with a Battalion). How you expand is your call. I'd recommend getting some claws on the tabletop and seeing what you like. Most people will let you proxy models so I don't think it'll be a problem if you want to try Plaguebearers or Horrors out.

I'm all about Slaanesh, so obviously I'm going to suggest you go for a pro-pain and pro-pain accessories approach.

Great thank you! I will stick with patrol detachments for now. Seems like they will be easier to wrap my head around until I can get some games in and know what I want to do.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
The new daemon units and models are awesome. Hopefully soon we'll get plastic versions of the Blue Scribes and the dedicated Daemon Prince of Nurgle. Personally, I think to finish up the daemon line, I would love to see dedicated princes for Khorne and Tzeentch, seeing that the two other gods have already have their own. A Phokulozortis model would be sick. Also, if possible, I'd like to see the Khornate phenomena in AoS given 40K rules, like the Slaaneshi spells. Tzeentch and Nurgle, especially Tzeentch, should also have some as well. Then I think that the line would be complete and an updated codex be released.

 blackmage wrote:
actually i would mix nurgle/slaanesh honestly

Fluff-wise, that could well be the grossest thing ever.

yes but playing just and only competitive games im ok with it

 Excommunicatus wrote:



I'm all about Slaanesh, so obviously I'm going to suggest you go for a pro-pain and pro-pain accessories approach.

That was a pretty glorious "King of the Hill" reference, good sir.

So, I'm just about to finish painting my An'Grrath and I'm gonna use it this weekend in a casual game. I was curious about what tactics I should take. Should I DS him or take advantage of his incredible move speed? I'll be using a pure Khorne Daemons army.

 chimeara wrote:
So, I'm just about to finish painting my An'Grrath and I'm gonna use it this weekend in a casual game. I was curious about what tactics I should take. Should I DS him or take advantage of his incredible move speed? I'll be using a pure Khorne Daemons army.

An'Grrath is a beastly monster and great fun to play :-)

I'd definitely start him on the table, with a decent roll he can make a first turn charge and have a nearly automatic second turn one. Deep striking him in has the problem of the opponent choosing what you attack (hes such a big model to place down) and failing a 9" charge.

Always be prepared to give him the +1 save strat.to save him from enemy big guns.
Make sure you have some anti infantry firepower to clear out screens (pink horrors do it well but skull cannons could also work) and some anti-infantry assault element to stop him getting bogged down in chaff.
He's likely to draw alot of attention so normal bloodthirsters might be able to survive long enough to reach combat if you're lucky :-)

Spectacular, so you'd suggest skull cannons as well? I'm trying to keep pure Khorne.

Slaanesh Errata is up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/40K_8th_ed_Slaanesh_Daemon_Datasheets_ver_1.0.pdf

Syll'Esske can attack twice even if unable to move in consolidation. So big derp to people trying to argue otherwise. You can also attack the SAME target you targetted first. Double derp for people arguing otherwise.

Sadly I was totally wrong about the Slothful Claws relic for the contorted epitome. :( sad.... but understandable. Derp for me. lol

Also If a model with a minimum Move characteristic wishes
to Fall Back whilst within 6" of a Contorted Epitome fails its LD roll its destroyed. The Flyer must also declare it will hover before its makes the LD roll.

So, pretty much what we expected.

Why even allow the Epitome to take the Slothful Claws if you lose the attacks... kind of dumb lol.

Still, all in all good stuff and nothing unexpected/nerfing anything.

Is An'Grrath actually worth 888 points? As in, does he usually get his points back or is it way over costed? Do people have fun playing against it?

Yeah people have a lot of fun playing against An'graath because it's so much fun seeing something so big and expensive go down so easily.

Phrasing.

did someone try Syll'esske and epitome? im thinking about a list running both of them for my next national league tournament in about 3 weeks, i would like some feedbacks thx

How are the slaanesh chariots?

I have a new start collecting Slaanesh and I plan on getting 2 more, I think Hellflayers are the best thing to make but what is everyone elses thoughts? I plan on running them as a fairly cheap but hard hitting line breaker for my Khorne Daemons to charge up after whilst my tzeentch troubleshoots

chariots aren't bad, in my personal believes i prefer fiends over chariots, in particular in actual meta, block fall back is a game changing thing