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Hey folks. My wife wants to try running mono-Slaanesh for a slow grow league we have coming up. Obviously Keepers and such are down the road, but what heroes/hqs should I order for her for those earlier low and mid-size game? Specifically for 750pts, through 1500pts. Thanks

Still probably just a Keeper haha.

For instance:

2x Keeper w/ exalted

3x 10 Daemonettes

2x Solo Fiends

750 on the nose and would probably dumpster plenty of armies.

Unfortunately all of the herald options (of pretty much any alignment) are just bad right now. I have faith that will change once we get a new codex, but until then including them in a list is pretty much dead weight unless you have something specific in mind. Then consider that any of the other slaanesh hq options are as or nearly as expensive as a Keeper and there’s not much of a choice. Cases can be made for the Contorted Epitome and Syl’eske but at 210 and 230 pts respectively they don’t really have a case until you get to around 2000 points or have a very specific strategy.

Well we don't want to go tooo hard as it is a friendly league. We own three Keepers for tournament play down the line, but the league is super chill, and mostly to encourage painting for newer/younger community members.

How's the Masque generally speaking?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Well we don't want to go tooo hard as it is a friendly league. We own three Keepers for tournament play down the line, but the league is super chill, and mostly to encourage painting for newer/younger community members.

How's the Masque generally speaking?

Heard that. Masque looks ok for the tricks it has over a standard herald. If you just want a painting project that could be half decent then Syl seems like the best bet. Buffs like a DP and a herald at the same time and hits better than either. Seems fun with a slaanesh horde without being too overpowering in more casual games. Also probably my favorite of the newer slaanesh models.

The Contorted Epitome is a great choice and is worth it at all points levels.

Its fast, hits hard, is a great caster, buffs models around it and has lots of tricks - the perfect slaanesh unit :-)

Anyone else trying to get Daemons to work in 2022? Seems like secondary-wise one could build around To The Last and Stranglehold. I'm thinking about adding a Changecaster to my list as a psychic action monkey for the center of the board.

I'm assuming not much has changed in optimization of units - Keepers are still under-costed as far as internal codex balance goes, and one properly kitted big bird isn't as unkillable as it once was, but still tanky for us...

Depending on your list composition, a Herald of Slaanesh will be better than a Changecaster for that purpose. Less points and better utility in close combat if needed.

From what I have seen most lists that do well are the Be'lakor / KoS spam. I'm also lead to believe that Deciples of Be'lakor also do quite well.

Not much has really changed for us since Be'lakor dropped.

On a side note, I'm having fun with hoards of Horrors - specifically bringing a unit of 30 Pinks and reserving a good chunk of points for splitting. It seems to demoralise my opponents when there are more Horrors then when they started attacking.

Given the new GT pack, what are competitive lists going to look like? I can't imagine the indestructible Big Bird will survive given the CP changes (1 cp for trait, 1 cp for relic, and 1 cp for exaltation)

For a monster mash list I'm imagining a battalion and a patrol. 3 keepers, exalted, and the patrol has Shalaxi and either another Exalted GD (Thirster?), Syll'Esske, or the Contorted Epitome.

Flamers of Tzeentch look better given the ongoing flow of CP to fule their MW strat.

Oddly enough, I've been working on tweaking my list and I think Big Bird will stay in.

My plan is to spend all six possible CP before game -- our pregame spend is still vastly more efficient than our in game spend.

I built a list of everything I spend CP on and force ranked it based on efficiency and in game effect (including paying CP for detachments).

I'm planning to spend 3 CP on my Big Bird.
Those 3 CP are just so amazingly effective - apart from making sure that my Slaanesh has their own detachment for run and charge, and giving one Keeper of Secrets the 4++ invuln, the layered durability on the big bird and the ability to just sit him out in the middle with impunity I find more valuable than anything else I can spend CP on.

Your mileage and or opinions might vary, of course.

Scratch that, I think it must be a Faction keyword, not just the simple Keyword, so it's the other type of keyword 😕


I'm actually the CP back for using a Tzeench Dreadblade on a mono Tzeench list because they share the Tzeench keyword!

The list was:
Exalted LoC (-1 dmg, +1 saves, 6+++ w/ regen)
Winged Demon Prince
Fluxmaster
4x Pink Horrors (10x)
2x Screamers (4x)
Flamers (6x)
Exalted Flamer
Knight Abominant (Hellforged Construction, Cursed Rune of Fate)
About 200 reinforcement points for summoning

I'm not familiar with thread creation here, does a key-contributer start up a 9th ed tactica?

Usually someone (anyone) starts a new thread and people start discussing. If two or more people create a new thread then generally the more popular one will be the one that survives and gets used.

Basically, if you want a new thread just go ahead and create it. Most of the discussion about Daemons seems to be going on in news and rumours at the moment, but there's no good reason not to start discussing in the Tactics channel.

Some (but not all) start a new tactics thread when the new codex releases. I am surprised no one had already started a 9th ed. Demons Codex thread.

Mariongodspeed wrote:
I am surprised no one had already started a 9th ed. Demons Codex thread.

Are you? They're a faction so popular that GW didn't even bother with a single new miniature release to go alongside their new book.

They arent popular because GW completely neglected them for many years. They didnt even get point updates in the last year.

 p5freak wrote:
They arent popular because GW completely neglected them for many years. They didnt even get point updates in the last year.

Yeah, it's weird, I assume they're popular in AoS, but most of the updates there translate to mortal followers which obviously doesn't translate to 40k.

Chaos in general seems to suffer from a lack of design team enthusiasm. The rules are generally solid enough to play competitively, but there's a real lack of innovation and imagination applied across the line.

That being said, I'm satisfied with what I've seen from the new Daemons rules. They look like they'll be fun to play, even if they're a bit one dimensional. I only really play within my group of friends, which means I play maybe once or twice a month and I generally know what armies I'll be facing, so my perspective is limited.

Chaos on the whole is really popular in AoS. But the range is different.

good old Chaos Warriors (hordes, slaves, whatever)
each god has a release (slaanesh got a lot of models and are arguably one of the worst books, soo... dont' complain you didn't get models if you get a good book haha)
beasts of chaos are traditionally popular
skaven are also clearly defined as chaos finally.

So while we don't have Chaos Marines, per se (chaos warriors never really translated properly like Jes wanted all those decades ago) the range is wide, diverse and hugely popular.

AoS is about to get a new set of great Chaos Warriors.