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The new rules for the old barrage guns like Manticore, mortars, earthshakers and etc just states that it can target units out of LOS. If it target a vehicle that is out of LOS, does that vehicle get the +1 cover to save? In 7th ed, they wouldn't.

Check dataslate of weapon if it say that target get +1 save then it get if not then not. There is no general rule for that.

Looking at the rules in the main book leaks and the rules for a couple of larger models, it seems LOS doesn't matter unless you are completely within a terrain feature. If so, then most models get a save improvement regardless of LOS. For larger models that specify that they must be 50% concealed IN ADDITION TO being completely in terrain, I would say that RAW, yes, they would get the bonus to their save.

Units DO NOT get cover unless they are 100% in terrain though, so just being behind a hill will not grant cover. The only exception to this I can find are the advanced rules for Imperial Statuary and barricades, which stipulate that you must be a certain distance from them and have them between you and the firing model.

 SuspiciousSucculent wrote:
Looking at the rules in the main book leaks and the rules for a couple of larger models, it seems LOS doesn't matter unless you are completely within a terrain feature. If so, then most models get a save improvement regardless of LOS. For larger models that specify that they must be 50% concealed IN ADDITION TO being completely in terrain, I would say that RAW, yes, they would get the bonus to their save.

Units DO NOT get cover unless they are 100% in terrain though, so just being behind a hill will not grant cover. The only exception to this I can find are the advanced rules for Imperial Statuary and barricades, which stipulate that you must be a certain distance from them and have them between you and the firing model.

No, 50 % is all that's needed. At least the Front Line guys (who play tested the game) said so

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 SuspiciousSucculent wrote:
Looking at the rules in the main book leaks and the rules for a couple of larger models, it seems LOS doesn't matter unless you are completely within a terrain feature. If so, then most models get a save improvement regardless of LOS. For larger models that specify that they must be 50% concealed IN ADDITION TO being completely in terrain, I would say that RAW, yes, they would get the bonus to their save.

Units DO NOT get cover unless they are 100% in terrain though, so just being behind a hill will not grant cover. The only exception to this I can find are the advanced rules for Imperial Statuary and barricades, which stipulate that you must be a certain distance from them and have them between you and the firing model.

No, 50 % is all that's needed. At least the Front Line guys (who play tested the game) said so

What they said does not matter when we have the rules for terrain and cover.

http://imgur.com/a/uA0lr

If a unit is entirely within or on....

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 SuspiciousSucculent wrote:
Looking at the rules in the main book leaks and the rules for a couple of larger models, it seems LOS doesn't matter unless you are completely within a terrain feature. If so, then most models get a save improvement regardless of LOS. For larger models that specify that they must be 50% concealed IN ADDITION TO being completely in terrain, I would say that RAW, yes, they would get the bonus to their save.

Units DO NOT get cover unless they are 100% in terrain though, so just being behind a hill will not grant cover. The only exception to this I can find are the advanced rules for Imperial Statuary and barricades, which stipulate that you must be a certain distance from them and have them between you and the firing model.

No, 50 % is all that's needed. At least the Front Line guys (who play tested the game) said so

May be how they played it, and honestly that makes it so you actually get cover bonus for vehicles, but it's not how the rules are written. Rules for cover specifically state that the unit must be entirely within or on a terrain feature. Rules for the large vehicles/MCs add the further restriction that they must be at least half obscured.

I personally think this is overly restrictive, but that's how it's written.

 Aenarian wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 SuspiciousSucculent wrote:
Looking at the rules in the main book leaks and the rules for a couple of larger models, it seems LOS doesn't matter unless you are completely within a terrain feature. If so, then most models get a save improvement regardless of LOS. For larger models that specify that they must be 50% concealed IN ADDITION TO being completely in terrain, I would say that RAW, yes, they would get the bonus to their save.

Units DO NOT get cover unless they are 100% in terrain though, so just being behind a hill will not grant cover. The only exception to this I can find are the advanced rules for Imperial Statuary and barricades, which stipulate that you must be a certain distance from them and have them between you and the firing model.

No, 50 % is all that's needed. At least the Front Line guys (who play tested the game) said so

What they said does not matter when we have the rules for terrain and cover.

http://imgur.com/a/uA0lr

If a unit is entirely within or on....

The rules for terrain pieces add the the cover for obscurement i believe

Oh, most definitely. Woods, Ruins, Imperial Statuaries all give cover saves if the units are 25-50% obscured, but that is only if 50% of every model is obscured (apart from the Imperial Statuary).

So you still can't have 9 bikes fully behind trees and 1 in the open and claim a cover save, as every model is not 50% obscured.

 CrownAxe wrote:

The rules for terrain pieces add the the cover for obscurement i believe

The rules for ruins and woods read: "Infantry units that are entirely on the base of woods/on a ruin receive the benefit of cover. Other units only receive the benefits of cover if at least 50% of every model is actually obscured from the point of view of the shooting unit."

I take this to mean that IN ADDITION to the requirements that infantry must meet to receive cover, other units must also be 50% obscured, not that the 50% obscuration replaces the requirement for being in the woods/on the ruin.

As I mentioned, the only obvious exceptions to this are Imperial Statuary, where you get a cover bonus if you are within 3" and at least 25% obscured, and barricades, which only work for infantry, but only require them to be within 1" and on the right side of the barricade to receive the benefits of cover.

There is, however, a panel on homemade terrain that basically says do whatever you want as long as you and your opponent agree. And given that I think the RAW, which I presented above, are too restrictive, this is something I'll probably houserule with my opponents.

Hmm so no concise answer... I guess this needs to be FAQ

The difference between ruins and woods is strange. Woods require infantry units to be entirely on the base of the woods. Ruins require infantry units to be in the ruins. So for ruins without the use of entirely, this seems to suggest that one guy on the base of a ruin gives the whole squad cover. this does not seem right to me.