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so I was just popping onto the GW store and noticed that there is actually an Ultramarines faction tab on their webstore now, think we might be getting a seperate Ultramarines codex with 8th edition?

They will probably just be the standard Codex compliant chapter model. All of the other Codex chapters will just be modeled on them. So they may get their own book, but I doubt they would be the only ones in it.

 Groslon wrote:
They will probably just be the standard Codex compliant chapter model. All of the other Codex chapters will just be modeled on them. So they may get their own book, but I doubt they would be the only ones in it.

you're assuming this will remain the case, Gulliman is tinekring with the codex, and doing some stuff in Ultramar. I could see this being GW's attempt to make Ultramarines semi-distinct from "Generic space Marines" we'll have to see, anyway just thought I'd point this out

BrianDavion wrote:
so I was just popping onto the GW store and noticed that there is actually an Ultramarines faction tab on their webstore now, think we might be getting a seperate Ultramarines codex with 8th edition?

If GW gives Ultramarines their own codex before an all chapters codex, I will be pretty upset. Why even have "Space Marines" at that point. Just call them Ultramarines and I will just switch to another game system from a different company.

It's what happened in 2nd, no reason why it couldn't happen again. Codex:Ultramarines was the Codex chapter book, then the others for their own.

Don't see any reason why, but it isn't without precedent.

Good pick up Brian Davion, maybe they will make it more like the CSM line; Codex: SM for generic stuff, then split off Ultramarines, BA, DA, SW etc.
Would make sense to have a space marine book that has no focus on Ultramarines.


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Also, lol @ Median Trace already crying that the sky is falling.

Don't be too quick to sell up there, mate!

 Rippy wrote:
Good pick up Brian Davion, maybe they will make it more like the CSM line; Codex: SM for generic stuff, then split off Ultramarines, BA, DA, SW etc.
Would make sense to have a space marine book that has no focus on Ultramarines.


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Also, lol @ Median Trace already crying that the sky is falling.

Don't be too quick to sell up there, mate!

yeah, it'd be a differant way to do it, normally I'd dismiss even the possiability but we know Gulliman is shaking things up, with a codex alteration, he's also pulling Primogenator chapters into Ultramar (now 500 worlds again) and recreated the office of Tetrarch. I could thus see the Ultramarines developing their own way away from vanilla Marines, and GW using that as an excuse to pull all the Ultramarines specific characters out of codex Space Marines, to allow more room for characters and fluff for the other chapters.

It might be nothing but it's certainly something to keep a watch for

 Rippy wrote:
Good pick up Brian Davion, maybe they will make it more like the CSM line; Codex: SM for generic stuff, then split off Ultramarines, BA, DA, SW etc.
Would make sense to have a space marine book that has no focus on Ultramarines.


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Also, lol @ Median Trace already crying that the sky is falling.

Don't be too quick to sell up there, mate!

Don't worry. I am not selling my army even if I quit. I spent way too much time on it converting every infantry unit to have cybernetics, Chapter shoulder pads, Chapter doors, icons, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if I spent more on the customization than the actual army.

Median Trace wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Good pick up Brian Davion, maybe they will make it more like the CSM line; Codex: SM for generic stuff, then split off Ultramarines, BA, DA, SW etc.
Would make sense to have a space marine book that has no focus on Ultramarines.


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Also, lol @ Median Trace already crying that the sky is falling.

Don't be too quick to sell up there, mate!

Don't worry. I am not selling my army even if I quit. I spent way too much time on it converting every infantry unit to have cybernetics, Chapter shoulder pads, Chapter doors, icons, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if I spent more on the customization than the actual army.

Word.

People feels so emotional about their tutti fruty flavoured vanilla marines...

I suppose this is the advantage of not having Ork Clan, Necron Dinaesties or Tau Sept rules, they can literally change the paintjob and "Posterboy" of your code/faction without problem

i still miss the vomit brown Tau... the White paint scheme is meh

It's for when they will be releasing the Terminus Ultra in plastic (Pete Foley hinted at it on Twitter). Since it is Ultramarines specific, they probably wanted a place to put it.

Median Trace wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Good pick up Brian Davion, maybe they will make it more like the CSM line; Codex: SM for generic stuff, then split off Ultramarines, BA, DA, SW etc.
Would make sense to have a space marine book that has no focus on Ultramarines.


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Also, lol @ Median Trace already crying that the sky is falling.

Don't be too quick to sell up there, mate!

Don't worry. I am not selling my army even if I quit. I spent way too much time on it converting every infantry unit to have cybernetics, Chapter shoulder pads, Chapter doors, icons, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if I spent more on the customization than the actual army.

Look at it this way, in space Marine codices page count is getting pretty nuts. Ultramarines have a grand total of 7.5 special characters (Calgar has two stat blocks, I'm listing that as 1.5 1 special unit type. and a Lord of War Tank (as dumb as the Land Raider Terminus Ultra being Ultramarines exclusive is, GW has decided)

the rest of codex space marines has 8.5 characters and 3 special units. and the special units bit is being very generous and counting Cynobite servitors and Legion of the damnned.

spin Ultramarines off into their own codex and you suddenly have 7 pages opened up. that's eneugh to fill in some other chapters hell it's eneugh to give each of the remaining 1st founding chapters a character of their own, and then some.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It's for when they will be releasing the Terminus Ultra in plastic (Pete Foley hinted at it on Twitter). Since it is Ultramarines specific, they probably wanted a place to put it.

I think the idea of the LRTU being a Ultramarines specific unit is absolutely idiotic. And I say this as someone who plays Ultramarines. really about all this is going to effectivly mean is Ultramarine players are the only Space Marine chapter that will be able to repair the unit with tech marines.
It's also kinda lame that UMs are the only space Marine chapter with any LoW choices

BrianDavion wrote:

I think the idea of the LRTU being a Ultramarines specific unit is absolutely idiotic. And I say this as someone who plays Ultramarines. really about all this is going to effectivly mean is Ultramarine players are the only Space Marine chapter that will be able to repair the unit with tech marines.
It's also kinda lame that UMs are the only space Marine chapter with any LoW choices

Oh definitely. It is pretty frustrating. And the excuse Pete gave was that UM were the only ones to ever field the LRTU. Okay, so UM are dickbags that don't share unlike every other C:SM Chapter (Bangles, Dangles, and Yiffs don't share and rightly don't get shared with). The Imperial Fists developed the Land Raider Achilles, I guess that means they will be the only ones that can use it, oh wait, nope. Because Ultrabro. I swear, GW will have UM driving around Baal Predators (while no other C:SM can do so), flying Dark Talons (and their heretical Rift Cannon, but it's okay, because Ultrabro), and riding around Thunderwolves before we know it.

For the record, I don't hate Ultramarines. I was very close to choosing them instead of Crimson Fists back when I started. There are times where I actually consider stripping all the paint and making my army UM. But I hate the Ultrabro attitude that GW has. Ultramarines are the best chapter that ever is, was, or ever will be according to them.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

I think the idea of the LRTU being a Ultramarines specific unit is absolutely idiotic. And I say this as someone who plays Ultramarines. really about all this is going to effectivly mean is Ultramarine players are the only Space Marine chapter that will be able to repair the unit with tech marines.
It's also kinda lame that UMs are the only space Marine chapter with any LoW choices

Oh definitely. It is pretty frustrating. And the excuse Pete gave was that UM were the only ones to ever field the LRTU. Okay, so UM are dickbags that don't share unlike every other C:SM Chapter (Bangles, Dangles, and Yiffs don't share and rightly don't get shared with). The Imperial Fists developed the Land Raider Achilles, I guess that means they will be the only ones that can use it, oh wait, nope. Because Ultrabro. I swear, GW will have UM driving around Baal Predators (while no other C:SM can do so), flying Dark Talons (and their heretical Rift Cannon, but it's okay, because Ultrabro), and riding around Thunderwolves before we know it.

For the record, I don't hate Ultramarines. I was very close to choosing them instead of Crimson Fists back when I started. There are times where I actually consider stripping all the paint and making my army UM. But I hate the Ultrabro attitude that GW has. Ultramarines are the best chapter that ever is, was, or ever will be according to them.

the real thing annoying about the LRTU to me is that as a Lord of war, literally the ONLY thing it means is that no body else can repair the thing with the tech marine.

anyway as IU said if UMs get their own book, and it means anyone else running space marines get a little more love as a result it might not be so bad a thing. but right now it's a midly irriating thing that I suspect is going to be ignored by everyone other then RAW focused tournies, and TFGs who would rather out lawyer you then just play the game

If they release a Space Marine codex with no Ultramarines content in it and move Ultramarines strictly into their own codex, I could see all sorts of problems. They are already the SM Chapter with the most exclusive units(due to their like 7 unique characters, more than any other SM Chapter besides Blood Angels). We already have a problem where Non-C:SM Chapters don't get any of the new stuff (No Centurions, Stormtalons, Stormhawks, Hunter, or Stalker), how long before C:SM doesn't get a new kit but C:UM does (oh wait, that already happened)? What next, plastic Thunderhawk is UM only? Or UM are the only SM army to get Chapter Tactics (they did write the Codex, after all)?

I am glad this frustrates UM players as well, since I really doubt you guys want to be associated with the GW BS that keeps being thrown at your army. Kinda like how Eldar players just wanted to play an army with a really cool aesthetic, but got railroaded into being perpetually viewed as the WAAC Cheese Army.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If they release a Space Marine codex with no Ultramarines content in it and move Ultramarines strictly into their own codex, I could see all sorts of problems. They are already the SM Chapter with the most exclusive units(due to their like 7 unique characters, more than any other SM Chapter besides Blood Angels). We already have a problem where Non-C:SM Chapters don't get any of the new stuff (No Centurions, Stormtalons, Stormhawks, Hunter, or Stalker), how long before C:SM doesn't get a new kit but C:UM does (oh wait, that already happened)? What next, plastic Thunderhawk is UM only? Or UM are the only SM army to get Chapter Tactics (they did write the Codex, after all)?

I am glad this frustrates UM players as well, since I really doubt you guys want to be associated with the GW BS that keeps being thrown at your army. Kinda like how Eldar players just wanted to play an army with a really cool aesthetic, but got railroaded into being perpetually viewed as the WAAC Cheese Army.

truthfully, I've started blood ravens because I get SICK of the "waaaaah! Matt Ward wrote a codex 3 editions ago that said good things about Gulliman" trolls.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If they release a Space Marine codex with no Ultramarines content in it and move Ultramarines strictly into their own codex, I could see all sorts of problems. They are already the SM Chapter with the most exclusive units(due to their like 7 unique characters, more than any other SM Chapter besides Blood Angels). We already have a problem where Non-C:SM Chapters don't get any of the new stuff (No Centurions, Stormtalons, Stormhawks, Hunter, or Stalker), how long before C:SM doesn't get a new kit but C:UM does (oh wait, that already happened)? What next, plastic Thunderhawk is UM only? Or UM are the only SM army to get Chapter Tactics (they did write the Codex, after all)?

I am glad this frustrates UM players as well, since I really doubt you guys want to be associated with the GW BS that keeps being thrown at your army. Kinda like how Eldar players just wanted to play an army with a really cool aesthetic, but got railroaded into being perpetually viewed as the WAAC Cheese Army.

Or more people just get annoyed at everyone who tends to gack on UM to begin with like they can't actually be their own space marine faction! They had the most exclusive units because codex space marines was originally Codex: Ultramarines before they shoved every other codex compliant one into the same book together.

It aint GW who constantly cracks jokes bout "Spiritual liege" like that hasn't gotten so old, and complaining that Non-C:SM hasn't gotten all the stuff the main codex has despite having their own stuff. Because if you get every single thing the main codex does, why even be separate? You were complaining that UM might even get the non-codex stuff.. just because why? Ultramarines got their own exclusive tank?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If they release a Space Marine codex with no Ultramarines content in it and move Ultramarines strictly into their own codex, I could see all sorts of problems. They are already the SM Chapter with the most exclusive units(due to their like 7 unique characters, more than any other SM Chapter besides Blood Angels). We already have a problem where Non-C:SM Chapters don't get any of the new stuff (No Centurions, Stormtalons, Stormhawks, Hunter, or Stalker), how long before C:SM doesn't get a new kit but C:UM does (oh wait, that already happened)? What next, plastic Thunderhawk is UM only? Or UM are the only SM army to get Chapter Tactics (they did write the Codex, after all)?

I am glad this frustrates UM players as well, since I really doubt you guys want to be associated with the GW BS that keeps being thrown at your army. Kinda like how Eldar players just wanted to play an army with a really cool aesthetic, but got railroaded into being perpetually viewed as the WAAC Cheese Army.

Or more people just get annoyed at everyone who tends to gack on UM to begin with like they can't actually be their own space marine faction! They had the most exclusive units because codex space marines was originally Codex: Ultramarines before they shoved every other codex compliant one into the same book together.

It aint GW who constantly cracks jokes bout "Spiritual liege" like that hasn't gotten so old, and complaining that Non-C:SM hasn't gotten all the stuff the main codex has despite having their own stuff. Because if you get every single thing the main codex does, why even be separate?

ohh agreed. and when they DO get a new kit "it isn't good eneugh"

Actually that amuses me even further.. Because the Stormtalon and Stormhawk is just the C:SM codex's versions of flyers which everyone else has a unique version of their own!

Or do we want to forget about the Corvus Blackstar, Stormfang/Stormwulf, Nephilim/Ravenwing, with the Stormraven arriving first for BA and GK and added in later for C:SM.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Actually that amuses me even further.. Because the Stormtalon and Stormhawk is just the C:SM codex's versions of flyers which everyone else has a unique version of their own!

Or do we want to forget about the Corvus Blackstar, Stormfang/Stormwulf, Nephilim/Ravenwing, with the Stormraven arriving first for BA and GK and added in later for C:SM.

the dark angels fliers where arguably kinda bleh in u7th edition due to their point cost. but IMHO they where some of the best LOOKING fliers in the IOM

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Actually that amuses me even further.. Because the Stormtalon and Stormhawk is just the C:SM codex's versions of flyers which everyone else has a unique version of their own!

Or do we want to forget about the Corvus Blackstar, Stormfang/Stormwulf, Nephilim/Ravenwing, with the Stormraven arriving first for BA and GK and added in later for C:SM.

The Stormraven is one of the things I am talking about with armies getting their special stuff poached. The Stormraven should have remained exclusive to BA and GK (it even comes with their emblems!). Really, the only reason the Baal Predators hasn't been poached is because of the molded Blood Angels emblem on the turret. Every other SM faction has TWO exclusive flyers, BA and GK get none. This is even more irksome now that Flyers no longer crowd slots.

Anyway, I really hope Ultramarines don't get put in their own codex. It will just create more problems.

And yet your complaining specifically about Ultramarines rather then that BA didn't get a unique flyer of their own while mentioning the unique SM stuff.

Honestly, why would GK have their own specific flyers is an interesting question in itself.

Or do you honestly believe that even Sanguinary guard are going to be poached too? Sanguine Priests? Death Company? You literally mentioned that UM could get the only Chapter Tactics, what else am I to take away from all this that isn't just UM )

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It's for when they will be releasing the Terminus Ultra in plastic (Pete Foley hinted at it on Twitter). Since it is Ultramarines specific, they probably wanted a place to put it.

I was wondering if they'd make that thing. To make one now you'd need a godhammer pattern Land Raider, a Razorback and a Predator.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It's for when they will be releasing the Terminus Ultra in plastic (Pete Foley hinted at it on Twitter). Since it is Ultramarines specific, they probably wanted a place to put it.

I was wondering if they'd make that thing. To make one now you'd need a godhammer pattern Land Raider, a Razorback and a Predator.

I have never actually tried, but do Predator sponsons even fit on the Land Raider body without modification? If they can't, I imagine there will just be an all new Sprue made with sponsons that do fit and the Razorback Lascannons.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It's for when they will be releasing the Terminus Ultra in plastic (Pete Foley hinted at it on Twitter). Since it is Ultramarines specific, they probably wanted a place to put it.

I was wondering if they'd make that thing. To make one now you'd need a godhammer pattern Land Raider, a Razorback and a Predator.

I coulda swore they used to have a conversion pack back in the day

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
And yet your complaining specifically about Ultramarines rather then that BA didn't get a unique flyer of their own while mentioning the unique SM stuff.

Honestly, why would GK have their own specific flyers is an interesting question in itself.

Or do you honestly believe that even Sanguinary guard are going to be poached too? Sanguine Priests? Death Company? You literally mentioned that UM could get the only Chapter Tactics, what else am I to take away from all this that isn't just UM )

My point was that, if it didn't have the Blood Angels logo molded on its sponsons and turret, the Baal Predators would have been poached. I don't think GK should have a fighter, but it doesn't make sense for BA not to have one. It is moot at this point anyway, since BA can perform ROCKET PUNCH with their Assault Squads against flyers, negating the need for a dedicated flyer. Stormravens are good enough as is.

The thing that is frustrating is that, if UM get their own codex, there is going to need to be justifying units to warrant it. The Terminus Ultra is one of them, but if it happens, there will be many more than just that. And they will still have access to everything from Codex: Space Marines. And if you think UM hate is bad now, just wait until that happens. Except this time it will be 100% justified.

Yeah no, "Justified" is a strong word for something that's gone on so long because of literally nothing more then a small paragraph of text and to think getting their own faction again will justify haters? Really?

If UM get a codex, it's also likely that every other non-codex will get their own sort as well.

BrianDavion wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It's for when they will be releasing the Terminus Ultra in plastic (Pete Foley hinted at it on Twitter). Since it is Ultramarines specific, they probably wanted a place to put it.

I was wondering if they'd make that thing. To make one now you'd need a godhammer pattern Land Raider, a Razorback and a Predator.

I coulda swore they used to have a conversion pack back in the day

It was just a Predator Weapon Sprue and a Razorback weapon Sprue shoved in a bag or box. I guess the Predator Sponsons fit in the holes of the Land Raider.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Yeah no, "Justified" is a strong word for something that's gone on so long because of literally nothing more then a small paragraph of text and to think getting their own faction again will justify haters? Really?

If UM get a codex, it's also likely that every other non-codex will get their own sort as well.

Previous hate, not warranted. If they get a new codex that had everything that C:SM has and more, while C:SM gets literally nothing new to compensate, then new hate is completely justified.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It's for when they will be releasing the Terminus Ultra in plastic (Pete Foley hinted at it on Twitter). Since it is Ultramarines specific, they probably wanted a place to put it.

I was wondering if they'd make that thing. To make one now you'd need a godhammer pattern Land Raider, a Razorback and a Predator.

I have never actually tried, but do Predator sponsons even fit on the Land Raider body without modification? If they can't, I imagine there will just be an all new Sprue made with sponsons that do fit and the Razorback Lascannons.

I think they fit on the inside of the mount.

So if UM get a codex.. but C:SM doesn't get anything new to compensate.. The new hate is somehow justified? When has getting a new codex ever compensated the previous one...?

Unless they treat it more like the supplements from 6th+ where it's just a bunch of new rules for UM while giving variants or something.