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Five words: All models must be painted.

My models are painted

They are painted PURE BLACK

LIKE THE COLOR OF MY SOUL!!!

Better solution, 20 man warp flamed rubric, laugh as they charge you.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Better solution, 20 man warp flamed rubric, laugh as they charge you.

9" charge bro

From the Space Marine perspective, one word: Whirlwinds.

The Castellan Launcher with 2D6 S 6 shots, no LOS required seems amazing against hordes. (Also 72" range now. It's appropriate and makes me happy)

Also Frag Grenades from Combat Squads for double the fun.

 Talamare wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Better solution, 20 man warp flamed rubric, laugh as they charge you.

9" charge bro

Better hope they can make it,

 Insectum7 wrote:
From the Space Marine perspective, one word: Whirlwinds.

The Castellan Launcher with 2D6 S 6 shots, no LOS required seems amazing against hordes. (Also 72" range now. It's appropriate and makes me happy)

Whirlwinds can't be your solution to every problem...

Well
Actually it can be...

Where is my dipping bucket.

 3orangewhips wrote:
Five words: All models must be painted.

60 of my 100 Plague Zombies are fully painted. Does this qualify as a Horde nowadays or do you need 100+ to gain membership in this esteemed Horde club?

 Talamare wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Better solution, 20 man warp flamed rubric, laugh as they charge you.

9" charge bro

Its an 8" charge

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Talamare wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Better solution, 20 man warp flamed rubric, laugh as they charge you.

9" charge bro

Better hope they can make it,

Even if they can't they would barley kill 30 man units, of Orks. Not to mention that is a 700 point unit which means you could have 2 maybe and would be facing 3-4 charges, with CP re-rolls at least 2 are going to make it in on average which is more then enough to kill the whole squad.

Five words: play game before crying nerf

100 models is most definitely not a horde. Considering you can get 550 conscripts now legally in a 2000 point army... 100 models is low-model count

I've 50 pathfinders and 100 fire warriors painted.

The blue tide is ready.

"Your models must be properly painted"
"They are"
"They are solid green. That is not properly painted"
"Of course they are, everyone knows plastic army men are green. Are you trying to argue they aren't plastic army men?"
"...um..."

Individual stat lines.

Every guardsman is a unique individual after all. With his own name and friends and car keys.

List them all.

Kill the Characters making unstoppable.

 Insectum7 wrote:
From the Space Marine perspective, one word: Whirlwinds.

The Castellan Launcher with 2D6 S 6 shots, no LOS required seems amazing against hordes.

Also Frag Grenades from Combat Squads for double the fun.

I understand the intuition here, but it's wrong. There is almost no such thing as an anti-horde weapon in 40k now.

An anti-horde weapon is one that is most efficiently used to kill hordes. Like old-timey flamers. Low strength meant that they were only good at wounding things with low toughness, AP5 meant that they ignored armor saves against light infantry, and the template meant that they could hit more models in bigger units on smaller bases. Flamers were actually really good at killing hordes -- you'd kill more points of Guardsmen per shot than you would points of much more expensive but individually more durable models like Space Marines.

But now, stuff like a bolter or a mortar or a Space Marine's fist is actually just anti-MEQ. An S4 AP- hit expects to kill 1.78 points of Guardsmen and 2.17 points of Marines (22% better against Marines). A Whirlwind is even more specialized for MEQ-killing because of its higher strength. The supposedly anti-horde castellan launcher fires S6 AP- shots. A S6 AP- hit expects to kill 2.22 points of Guardsmen and 2.89 points of Marines (30% better against Marines). The Whirlwind castellan launcher is better against Marines than against termagants with their 6+ save. Sure, a Lascannon is in some sense better at killing Guardsmen than a bolt pistol is, but that's not an efficient use of a Lascannon.

A Heavy Bolter -- something which has historically been the go-to anti-horde heavy weapon -- is ridiculously specialized for MEQ killing now. A S5 AP-1 hit expects to kill 2.22 points of Guardsmen and 4.33 points of Marines (95% better!).

The game badly needs weapon options which are efficient for killing light infantry. If you want to equip a squad to be great for killing Guardsmen and gants, you should be able to do that. This basically requires either special rules or a points increase to light infantry, though, since even S3 AP- is better at killing Marines than Guardsmen -- even that frag grenade you mentioned is more efficiently used against MEQs, though it's close. You have to go down to S2 AP- before you get something which is more efficiently used against Guardsmen, and that's still less efficient against Conscripts than Marines.

I'm still scratching my head as to why hordes are considered OP now. I play big ork boyz squads, and have played 3 games of 8th so far, and in none of them did I consider boyz to be in any way OP.

Decent, sure, but between how up-gunned everything's gotten and how cover provides little to no benefit, hordes melt away quicker than you'd think.

All troopers are fully painted and ready to go! Imperial Guardsmen, reporting for duty sir! [I'm going to continue running tank armies, though, but I have the conscripts prepared.]

Also, they're not really OP. With the right kind of equipment, they cease to be a problem.

Requiring 200+ models to be fully painting isn't a good solution to this (perceived) issue.
Not only is "fully painted" incredibly subjective, but some of us can batch paint fairly effectively.
I once commission painted 300 Skaven in about 1 month:
http://glennsgwmodels.blogspot.com/2008/11/joshs-skaven.html
Obviously not my best work, but the goal was speed instead of 'accuracy"

With the increasingly common use of airbrush (which I've never used) I can see lots of players not having any issue getting tons of models "fully painted"

Dionysodorus wrote:
The supposedly anti-horde castellan launcher fires S6 AP- shots. A S6 AP- hit expects to kill 2.22 points of Guardsmen and 2.89 points of Marines (30% better against Marines). The Whirlwind castellan launcher is better against Marines than against termagants with their 6+ save.

HEQ 7 * 2/3 * 5/6 * 5/6 = 3.24
GEQ 7 * 2/3 * 5/6 * 2/3 = 2.59
BEQ 7 * 2/3 * 2/3 * 5/6 = 2.59
MEQ 7 * 2/3 * 2/3 * 1/3 = 1.03

 Talamare wrote:

Dionysodorus wrote:
The supposedly anti-horde castellan launcher fires S6 AP- shots. A S6 AP- hit expects to kill 2.22 points of Guardsmen and 2.89 points of Marines (30% better against Marines). The Whirlwind castellan launcher is better against Marines than against termagants with their 6+ save.

HEQ 7 * 2/3 * 5/6 * 5/6 = 3.24
GEQ 7 * 2/3 * 5/6 * 2/3 = 2.59
BEQ 7 * 2/3 * 2/3 * 5/6 = 2.59
MEQ 7 * 2/3 * 2/3 * 1/3 = 1.03

I don't understand what you're trying to say with this. This is consistent with my math and conclusions, yes.

Back in 5th I painted 120 boyz (terribly) over the course of a very long weekend because I thought 'Ardboyz tourneys required painted armies.

Which of course they didn't...

Hordes are seeming pretty strong

 Jaxler wrote:
I've 50 pathfinders and 100 fire warriors painted.

The blue tide is ready.

My Greater Good brother!

I have winned more than one game bringing spam of Firewarriors. Nobody expect that when they face Tau's

 3orangewhips wrote:
Five words: All models must be painted.

Spoken like someone who's never seen sarcastically painted armies used to avoid painting requirements in tournaments. I assure you, there's no objective rule you can create that won't be circumnavigated by two- three colors of spray paint plus glitter...

 Talamare wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
From the Space Marine perspective, one word: Whirlwinds.

The Castellan Launcher with 2D6 S 6 shots, no LOS required seems amazing against hordes. (Also 72" range now. It's appropriate and makes me happy)

Whirlwinds can't be your solution to every problem...

Well
Actually it can be...

no but against a horde of infantry it's definatly the intended solution

If your only trouble is hordes, it means you are not building your list properly, or built it too much for anti-heavy

BrianDavion wrote:

...
no but against a horde of infantry it's definatly the intended solution

It's actually not that good vs hordes - 7 shots on average, of which we'll be generous and say 5 hit. Between the 2+ to wound and their 5+ save, probably 3.5ish models die. That's what, 15 points of conscripts from an entire round of shooting of a supposedly anti-horde vehicle? The only unit I've seen that actually seems like it might be reasonably point-efficient vs conscripts is DE Razorwing Flocks, with 8 S2 attacks per model at 7 points a piece.