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Various units from the Forge World Chaos and SM indexes have started to make there way onto 4chan and I've been having fun reading up on some of them, but the unit I was most excited for was the Warlord just to see how they would do a vehicle that gigantic. Only the chaos version is available so far since the loyalist warlord is in the AM book which isn't out until the 23rd.

The Warlord is roughly 4000 points, with S and T 16 and 70 wounds and a 2+ save. It has pretty granular damage weakening starting when it hits 60 wounds, but while at full strength it gets a 3++ from void shields and is BS2+. I won't copypaste all the special rules, but suffice to say you're not tying this thing up in close combat, and even if you do it's still going to shoot you.

The titan power fist is S32 and deals an automatic 12 damage at -5 AP, but it's probably better to use the Saturnyne Lascutter which is only a modest S20 (and so still wounds everything short of a Reaver on a 2+) but is otherwise identical and also has a shooting profile with strength 12, 6 damage and as many shots as you can roll consecutive hits (at BS2+, if you're healthy) to a maximum of 12.

Its Quake Cannon is also S20 with 3d6 shots, -5 AP, 6 damage and the ability to halve movement and deny advancing for anything it hits. Its Volcano cannons get S30, -6 AP and 12 damage instead, but only d6 shots - though it does a bonus mortal wound on a to-wound roll of a six. Of the other arm options, the Plasma Annihilator can splash to multiple units and is kind of in between with the profile (but with only S10) but doesn't seem that strong unless it's quite a bit cheaper. The Gatling Blaster is 12 shots, 3 damage and otherwise a battlecannon profile - but hits vs infantry are tripled. Still doesn't seem like it measures up to the other options since you can get double vulcan mega bolters on the shoulders if you really need to dick on infantry, but its fun I guess.

Oh and the Warhound Titan's Inferno gun gets 4d6 autohits at S7 AP-3 D4 so I suspect that's gonna be pretty fun.

I love the absolutely ridiculousness of its rules.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I love the absolutely ridiculousness of its rules.

Agree. It all seems appropriate.

This has always puzzled me:

The Titan Volcano Cannon, and the Ordinatus Volcano Cannon, are both 7" Blast with the Machine Destroyer special rule.

However, the Shadowsword, which also mounts a Volcano Cannon, is only a 5" Blast with no special rules.

And I'm noticing it again: S30 12 Damage from the other two Volcano Cannons, but my Volcano Cannon is only S16 and 2d6 wounds, and it doesn't get the Mortal Wounds bonus. Considering the Ordinatus is only 700-something points, and the Shadowsword is 500 points, I don't see what the difference is.

The Ordinatus isn't actually all that much more gargantuan than the Shadowsword, too. It's longer by about the length of a Leman Russ. It's bigger, for sure, but not particularly drastically.

I mean, it's not a problem, I like the Shadowsword to not be a hilarious number of points, but I've always wondered why the Shadowsword's gun was so drastically weaker.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I love the absolutely ridiculousness of its rules.

Yup, I was really hoping they would give it a crazy high toughness since it was the only AV15 vehicle in 7th so I'm really happy to see that they did. Too bad I don't have £1240 to drop on resin...

Got a link to the reddit page? I really have no dea how to find stuff there.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
This has always puzzled me:

The Titan Volcano Cannon, and the Ordinatus Volcano Cannon, are both 7" Blast with the Machine Destroyer special rule.

However, the Shadowsword, which also mounts a Volcano Cannon, is only a 5" Blast with no special rules.


And I'm noticing it again: S30 12 Damage from the other two Volcano Cannons, but my Volcano Cannon is only S16 and 2d6 wounds, and it doesn't get the Mortal Wounds bonus. Considering the Ordinatus is only 700-something points, and the Shadowsword is 500 points, I don't see what the difference is. The Ordinatus isn't actually all that much bigger than the Shadowsword, too.

The Shadowsword Volcano Cannon is a much smaller and weaker version fluffwise - and I *think* the 7e VC you're referencing is the Reaver-sized one, which I'd expect to be less devastating than this Warlord-sized one. I don't see where you're getting the points for the 8e Ordinatii though, so it's hard to say if the bigger weapons are properly costed.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Got a link to the reddit page? I really have no dea how to find stuff there.

https://i.redd.it/oby0epn7p34z.png

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I love the absolutely ridiculousness of its rules.

Yup, I was really hoping they would give it a crazy high toughness since it was the only AV15 vehicle in 7th so I'm really happy to see that they did. Too bad I don't have £1240 to drop on resin...

I hear kidneys can get you some money

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
This has always puzzled me:

The Titan Volcano Cannon, and the Ordinatus Volcano Cannon, are both 7" Blast with the Machine Destroyer special rule.

However, the Shadowsword, which also mounts a Volcano Cannon, is only a 5" Blast with no special rules.


And I'm noticing it again: S30 12 Damage from the other two Volcano Cannons, but my Volcano Cannon is only S16 and 2d6 wounds, and it doesn't get the Mortal Wounds bonus. Considering the Ordinatus is only 700-something points, and the Shadowsword is 500 points, I don't see what the difference is. The Ordinatus isn't actually all that much bigger than the Shadowsword, too.

The Shadowsword Volcano Cannon is a much smaller and weaker version fluffwise - and I *think* the 7e VC you're referencing is the Reaver-sized one, which I'd expect to be less devastating than this Warlord-sized one. I don't see where you're getting the points for the 8e Ordinatii though, so it's hard to say if the bigger weapons are properly costed.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Got a link to the reddit page? I really have no dea how to find stuff there.

https://i.redd.it/oby0epn7p34z.png

I was using the 7e ordinatus stats.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
This has always puzzled me:

If I had to guess, I would say that it was due to the power systems. One of the most advanced and hardest pieces of tech to produce in 40k is always the massive power systems that power the energy weapons. That is why you see a lot of Guard vehicles retrofitted with solid shot if the gun breaks down, like the Stormsword or the Thunderer. It is just far easier than repairing the 10000 year old magic generator that no one understands.

The Titan legions and the Ordinatus are under the direct control of the Mechanicus, so they obviously keep all of the best stuff for themselves.

Am I the only one who feels that 40k rules aren't suited to deal with absurdities of this scale?

I want to see someone paint up an equivallent point amount of Conscripts and Commissars and engage in the biggest disco light show known to 40k.

 Talamare wrote:
Am I the only one who feels that 40k rules aren't suited to deal with absurdities of this scale?

They aren't. Thats why the 3rd-7th core ruleset broke when they introduced Apocalypsis units into the main game

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I want to see someone paint up an equivallent point amount of Conscripts and Commissars and engage in the biggest disco light show known to 40k.

Thats 1333,33 Conscripts for you. We can adjust it to 1.000 conscripts and 20 comissars for 4.000 points.

Now I want to see that battle...

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I want to see someone paint up an equivallent point amount of Conscripts and Commissars and engage in the biggest disco light show known to 40k.

1 Commissar can service about 4 Squads, I think. 1 CC can service 2 Squads. So for every 4 squads [600 points], we need 60 points of CC and 30 points of commissar. This leaves us with no backups. That's 690 points. We can do this 5.7 times in 4000 points, so we'll go with 23 Squads of conscripts, 12 CC's, and 6 Commissars. 23*150+12*30+6*30=3990 points.

1150 Conscripts, 12 CC's, and 6 Commissars. Wow. That's $3450 worth of conscripts!

The laser-light disco show, on it's turn assuming they're all alive, puts out 4600 Lasguns shots. It averages 42 wounds to the titan.

Galas wrote:

 Talamare wrote:
Am I the only one who feels that 40k rules aren't suited to deal with absurdities of this scale?

They aren't. Thats why the 3rd-7th core ruleset broke when they introduced Apocalypsis units into the main game

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I want to see someone paint up an equivallent point amount of Conscripts and Commissars and engage in the biggest disco light show known to 40k.

Thats 1333,33 Conscripts for you. We can adjust it to 1.000 conscripts and 20 comissars for 4.000 points.

Now I want to see that battle...

If that battle is ever represented in visual form we'd have to have multiple seizure warnings from all the flashing lights.

Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I want to see someone paint up an equivallent point amount of Conscripts and Commissars and engage in the biggest disco light show known to 40k.

1 Commissar can service about 4 Squads, I think. 1 CC can service 2 Squads. So for every 4 squads [600 points], we need 60 points of CC and 30 points of commissar. This leaves us with no backups. That's 690 points. We can do this 5.7 times in 4000 points, so we'll go with 23 Squads of conscripts, 12 CC's, and 6 Commissars. 23*150+12*30+6*30=3990 points.

The laser-light disco show, on it's turn assuming they're all alive, puts out 4600 Lasguns shots. It averages 42 wounds to the titan.

Holy crap so you mean this ridiculous list actually stands a chance at putting the titan down in 3 turns?

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Holy crap so you mean this ridiculous list actually stands a chance at putting the titan down in 3 turns?

No. With the titan having 1 drop, and the Conscripts have 41 drops, the titan will go first and each gun will basically remove a conscript squad from play, not to mention assaulting them. But it's funny to thing about the titan just standing there and slowly evaporating under the fire of an endless number of Lasguns.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
The laser-light disco show, on it's turn assuming they're all alive, puts out 4600 Lasguns shots. It averages 42 wounds to the titan.

I know I always point it out, but do you really think you can get 1000 conscripts within 12"?

Unless wounds can spill over to other units then the Titan is hard capped at something like removing 6 squads a turn? The only way it can grab more is if it charges, so it ends up with the hilarious situation where the mass of guardsmen are just backpedalling from the titan while shooting.

The conscripts will still likely lose, but it's hilarious that there's an actual chance they can take the titan down.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Holy crap so you mean this ridiculous list actually stands a chance at putting the titan down in 3 turns?

No. With the titan having 1 drop, and the Conscripts have 41 drops, the titan will go first and each gun will basically remove a conscript squad from play, not to mention assaulting them. But it's funny to thing about the titan just standing there and slowly evaporating under the fire of an endless number of Lasguns.

Plus if your Warlord is within 24" of over a thousand conscripts (let alone rapid fire range) you're seriously doing it wrong.

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Holy crap so you mean this ridiculous list actually stands a chance at putting the titan down in 3 turns?

No. With the titan having 1 drop, and the Conscripts have 41 drops, the titan will go first and each gun will basically remove a conscript squad from play, not to mention assaulting them. But it's funny to thing about the titan just standing there and slowly evaporating under the fire of an endless number of Lasguns.

Plus if your Warlord is within 24" of over a thousand conscripts (let alone rapid fire range) you're seriously doing it wrong.

I think the only way to get the conscripts into range is to have the titan sitting in a circle of 3-story tall buildings. Base-to-base, the conscripts will take up something like a third of the board, so getting any significant number of them within 12" of the titan without having multiple layers of them tall will be impossible.

It's funny to think about, though. If I ever find a person with a Warlord Titan and five other IG players, we'll have to at least pose it up to see what 1150 conscripts rapid-firing at a titan looks like!

Chenkov may be gone from the rules, but he lives on in our hearts! No matter the problem, it shall be solved by sending thousands of men to their deaths. Need a minefield cleared? March some men across it. Enemy holed up in a fortress? Block their water supply with disposable fodder! Enemy titan? Gunge up the joints with easily available red paste!

Hahahahahaha, awesome. Just incredibly awesome that Conscripts with minor support could actually pull it off. Brings a tear to my eye that mass flashlights could cause the titan to turn into slag.

 Trickstick wrote:
Chenkov may be gone from the rules, but he lives on in our hearts! No matter the problem, it shall be solved by sending thousands of men to their deaths. Need a minefield cleared? March some men across it. Enemy holed up in a fortress? Block their water supply with disposable fodder! Enemy titan? Gunge up the joints with easily available red paste!

Gone, but not forgotten!

Chenkov was my favorite IG special character back when he was around. I'd use conscripts to set up targets for my artillery.

Apparently, if you have Al-harem too, you could get the entire blob to come on from outflank when it was replaced. I never did it, but that would have been funny.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Unless wounds can spill over to other units then the Titan is hard capped at something like removing 6 squads a turn? The only way it can grab more is if it charges, so it ends up with the hilarious situation where the mass of guardsmen are just backpedalling from the titan while shooting.

The conscripts will still likely lose, but it's hilarious that there's an actual chance they can take the titan down.

Is it bad I'm considering the Tyranid army that consists of nothing but Genestealers and Carnifexes could do a number on the Warlord?

4,000 points worth of Genestealers

So at least volcano cannon from titan can one shot warlord as it should. How void shields are knocked down?

In 8th Edition void shields are kind of like an alternate invulnerable save that's only usable at range but works on mortal wounds. The save value gets weaker as you lose wounds, starting at a 3++ for the warlord and reaver and a 4++ for the warhound.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
This has always puzzled me:

The Titan Volcano Cannon, and the Ordinatus Volcano Cannon, are both 7" Blast with the Machine Destroyer special rule.

However, the Shadowsword, which also mounts a Volcano Cannon, is only a 5" Blast with no special rules.

And I'm noticing it again: S30 12 Damage from the other two Volcano Cannons, but my Volcano Cannon is only S16 and 2d6 wounds, and it doesn't get the Mortal Wounds bonus. Considering the Ordinatus is only 700-something points, and the Shadowsword is 500 points, I don't see what the difference is.

The Ordinatus isn't actually all that much more gargantuan than the Shadowsword, too. It's longer by about the length of a Leman Russ. It's bigger, for sure, but not particularly drastically.

I mean, it's not a problem, I like the Shadowsword to not be a hilarious number of points, but I've always wondered why the Shadowsword's gun was so drastically weaker.

Others have answered this, but I'd just like to add to it.

The Volcano Cannon on the Shadowsword and the Reaver are functionally the same weapon, with the Reaver having a 7" blast and the Shadowsword having a 5". Lorewise, the Shadowsword is actually too weak to fully power the weapon, leading to the crew having to stop the tank and redirect almost all of the power output into a massive capacitor bank just to be able to fire it, but it's still not enough for a fully powered shot. The Reaver meanwhile has no such problem and can thus fire it at full power. The Reaver weapon is also sometimes called a Reaver Volcano Cannon, probably signifying that it's different from the Shadowsword one at least in rules, but maybe lorewise as well. The Baneblade vehicles have historically also been on the weaker side.


The Ordinatus Sagittar and the Warlord Titan however do not use a normal Volcano cannon, but instead they use a Belicosa pattern Volcano Cannon, an ancient pattern which is even more destructive and power hungry (with a 10" blast!). The reason for the Ordinatus Sagittar having a full-scale titan weapon is most likely because it is an Ordinatus-class vehicle, with all the extra technology and care coming into that. The Sagittar is also probably too cheap at 700 points when comparing it to both a Shadowsword and a Warlord Titan.

I'd just like to add I'm a bit sad we didn't get rules for the Warlord-Sinister Pattern Battle Psi-Titan, with it's Sinistramanus Tenebrae and psychic powers.

AND for the Conscript discussion: 1150 Conscripts, using the Cadian Shock Troops models, will cost about £2070. A fully equipped Warlord Titan costs £1250. Funny how the Titan is monetarily cheaper per point than the Conscripts.

Chaos Warlord Titan has PL 200 ? 20 Orc Boyz are PL 9, each 10 more are +4. Thats about 500 boyz. They will take it down with axes, swords, cleavers. So ridiculous.

oof, that's monsterous. Good thing you'll never see one on the table, as not many people own one, let alone carry it.


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p5freak wrote:
Chaos Warlord Titan has PL 200 ? 20 Orc Boyz are PL 9, each 10 more are +4. Thats about 500 boyz. They will take it down with axes, swords, cleavers. So ridiculous.

No, they won't. 500 boys aren't getting to it it one piece, and the remainder are unlikely to strip 70 of its wounds before dying.
Its almost as if using light infantry to take on a titan is a bad idea and a waste of manpower.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


No, they won't. 500 boys aren't getting to it it one piece, and the remainder are unlikely to strip 70 of its wounds before dying.
Its almost as if using light infantry to take on a titan is a bad idea and a waste of manpower.

Yes, they will. They dont need to get to it in one piece. Each boy has 4 attacks. They can shoot it with their pistols in CC, too. With Ghahzkull and a Psyker they can have up to 6 attack each, when they charge, and Warpath is cast.