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 Aenarian wrote:
Void Shields do not work in CC, and they are not an invulnerable save so Null Zone has no effect.

Can you clarify that last part? OP seemed to suggest Void Shields are an invuln save because they are a "3++" at full strength.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Aenarian wrote:
Void Shields do not work in CC, and they are not an invulnerable save so Null Zone has no effect.

Can you clarify that last part? OP seemed to suggest Void Shields are an invuln save because they are a "3++" at full strength.

It is referred to as a unique type of saving throw on the data sheet. Ergo not an invul.

https://i.redd.it/oby0epn7p34z.png

Yep. Key phrase:

can opt to use instead of their normal save or invulnerable save

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Aenarian wrote:
Void Shields do not work in CC, and they are not an invulnerable save so Null Zone has no effect.

Can you clarify that last part? OP seemed to suggest Void Shields are an invuln save because they are a "3++" at full strength.

It is referred to as a unique type of saving throw on the data sheet. Ergo not an invul.

https://i.redd.it/oby0epn7p34z.png

Oh awesome, thanks!

Melissia wrote:Yep. Key phrase:

can opt to use instead of their normal save or invulnerable save

Ahh yes.

Although the other mportant bit is the part that says it can take void shields against mortal wounds, that really stfles the Librarian Smite Brigade.

Which leads me to believe that cheap as dirt AP -1 is the way to go with shooting, preferably with an Eldar Doom on the Warlord to double-ish the number of wounds you put on it.

Or some sort of banzai melee attack.

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:

The titan power fist is S32 and deals an automatic 12 damage

Necron laught at this with Quantum Shielding

 Xyxel wrote:

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:

The titan power fist is S32 and deals an automatic 12 damage

Necron laught at this with Quantum Shielding

It seems to me that a massive number of Ghost Arks may not be a non-viable solution to the titan. Stupid Quantum Shielding.

riiiiiiiiiiiight up until the 40 shot twin mega bolter comes into play

Actually, i think the Warlord is screwed. It appears that at max, it can engage 9 units a turn. 8 from shooting, and one from charging. Plus its Void shields drop to a 4++ after only 11 wounds. By my math it takes about 1500 points of autocannon havocs to take it to the 4+, and then i think you want to switch to lascannon havocs and start pounding it down.

I think the Warlord will lose to an attrition army with a ton of smaller units.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Actually, i think the Warlord is screwed. It appears that at max, it can engage 9 units a turn. 8 from shooting, and one from charging. Plus its Void shields drop to a 4++ after only 11 wounds. By my math it takes about 1500 points of autocannon havocs to take it to the 4+, and then i think you want to switch to lascannon havocs and start pounding it down.

I think the Warlord will lose to an attrition army with a ton of smaller units.

The Sunfury Plasma Annihilator has a 50% chance to also hit each unit within 6" of the target so it depends on the board. On an infinitely large board the Warlord will beat anything that can't deep strike handily with a 30 foot range and 18" move, so you'd need something small enough to force it within range of the havocs but larger enough to allow spreading them all way apart. It can also charge multiple units and tie them all in combat (because let's face it, it's going to have a massive base) which denies those units shooting while not affecting its own ability to blast you.

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:


The Sunfury Plasma Annihilator has a 50% chance to also hit each unit within 6" of the target so it depends on the board. On an infinitely large board the Warlord will beat anything that can't deep strike handily with a 30 foot range and 18" move, so you'd need something small enough to force it within range of the havocs but larger enough to allow spreading them all way apart. It can also charge multiple units and tie them all in combat (because let's face it, it's going to have a massive base) which denies those units shooting while not affecting its own ability to blast you.

If it were on a base it'd be hard to hit more than 2 units, you hit the first then pivot to touch another and then I think you're stuck.

And hey, whose playing on an infinite board? The game starts when the troopers spring their ambush on the Titan

Regardless, I think small units is the way to go since you force overkill on the Titan, and keep the game up for a few turns while the thing degrades.

Or play for objectives with 121 individual units of Chaos Spawn.