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Cause it seems to be entirely pay to win, actually it's more fair to call it pay to play, you start off with bolter or a heavy bolter and you empty half a clip from the heavy botler into an oppoent and they take two shots from their super special mega premium pay to play win bolt gun and you go down in half a second. fething stupid game design

I play EC a lot, I'm about 500 hours in, have been playing since November/December. I'm not the best player out there, but consistently get 20-30 kills a match and main eldar, which if you've played you'll understand how hard it is to get 5 kills, let alone 30.

Most of the payed for weapons are actually the same as MasterCrafted you can get from supply drop boxes purchased through requisition (typically in 12k boxes and above). They give a slight edge in heat reduction or spread and recoil, so most are quite minimal. The only real exception to this is abbadons grace, the auto canon with flaming rounds...its cheese when half a chaos team takes them.

But there's truth to your statement. The new elite classes being released definitely are like playing the game on easy mode. The chaos and ork elites are situational and questionable at best, but the loyalist one? Bolter with all upgrades and flaming rounds....can destroy anything with minimal skill required.

Now thankfully these are only allowed once a game, so you gotta be careful playing them.

Aside from that, you need to understand many of the People playing (myself included) are vets who have all wargear from supply drops, all advancements for all classes and rank 6. Took a long time to get there. You will get the same perks by dedicating the time as well.

The main issue with being killed quickly in eternal crusade is the fact you are a noob going against a mainly veteran and dedicated population. It's average players is 600-700 a day, peak at 1200, and most who play are guild members like myself who practice in groups and strategize together on team speak and discord. Many of us are good-great aim, and some are incredible. Even I get head shotted in 2-3 shots as an eldar player, and I am skilled.

I suggest taking advantage of cover a lot. I didn't much at first and I was annihilated easily. Hug doorways, crouch on railings and boxes, look around ur surroundings etc. If you ever wanna play and get some pointers let me know. Razmirth on steam!

Aside from that, you need to understand many of the People playing (myself included) are vets who have all wargear from supply drops, all advancements for all classes and rank 6. Took a long time to get there. You will get the same perks by dedicating the time as well.

This is bad game design. if you look at something like World of tanks, War thunder, or even armored warfare, games that have massive differences in power level, you see games separated out by class level. if you don't do that then you have a very limited variability in damage and survivabilty before new players are just going to get fed up and go the feth home.

it's simply bad game design the way they currently have it set up. To put it simply the way the game is now would be like world of tanks throwing tier 1 tanks up against tier 5 tanks, or tier 10.

I was one of the free elder founder players. They gave away a lot of free elder memberships.

I like pve games and EC is too much 1st person shooter. Shoot, Die, Respawn, ETC. gets boring fast

If they world was populated with tons of pve mobs of allies and enemies, then going around with a band of buddies would be some fun.

I agree it's not a great way to introduce new players, it's a very steep learning curve. But the gear isn't as great as everyone makes it out to be.
Example; I started a rank 1 loyalist space marine with basic loadouts the other day and still had 25 kills and came 1st place amongst all the guild members and regular players. With the crappiest of the crap loadout, the basic one the game provides you when you start. A lot of the game is just knowing when to attack, defend, Push the right points and work with squads efficiently.

Like I said, I'm glad to help if you wanna get online sometime! It was a hard start for me as well, I have a lot of pointers that could make it easier for ya.

 admironheart wrote:
I was one of the free elder founder players. They gave away a lot of free elder memberships.

I like pve games and EC is too much 1st person shooter. Shoot, Die, Respawn, ETC. gets boring fast

If they world was populated with tons of pve mobs of allies and enemies, then going around with a band of buddies would be some fun.

Pretty much what EC was advertised to be when it was first announced.

 admironheart wrote:
I was one of the free elder founder players. They gave away a lot of free elder memberships.

I like pve games and EC is too much 1st person shooter. Shoot, Die, Respawn, ETC. gets boring fast

If they world was populated with tons of pve mobs of allies and enemies, then going around with a band of buddies would be some fun.

This is very true, although the limited PVE they do have in the game has a lot of bugs still (no pun intended!). I think they bit off way more than they could chew. But that's an argument for a completely different topic....it's opening a can of worms that never ends. I would have liked to see something like that as well though. Would have been great. But it will never be like that unfortunately. Lobby shooter is what we are stuck with.

it's a shame, there was a lot of potential here. Oh well there is still the inquisitor MMORPG coming up

Giantwalkingchair wrote:

 admironheart wrote:
I was one of the free elder founder players. They gave away a lot of free elder memberships.

I like pve games and EC is too much 1st person shooter. Shoot, Die, Respawn, ETC. gets boring fast

If they world was populated with tons of pve mobs of allies and enemies, then going around with a band of buddies would be some fun.

Pretty much what EC was advertised to be when it was first announced.

Hmm I read it was to be a truly massive 40k battle feel. Having a match with 15 vs 20 guys is a tiny skirmish game...more like RogueTrader.

If there were 200+ to 1000+ PVE Chaos+ traitor Guard vs Marine + Astra Millitarium fighting each other and then 20 of your Marines make a huge dent that the 15 chaos players could not slow you down then the AI would and could move the battle lines back as you assisted in the wholesale slaughter of a real 40k battle.....as advertised!

Or the 15 chaos players could hold the line and eventually push back the Marines or draw them into a deathtrap with tons of PVE units to crossfire the Marine Players to death.....so much possiblility

EC is great to explore for the 40k grimdark views and themes....but other than that there are games with so much better visuals.

gendoikari87 wrote:
it's a shame, there was a lot of potential here. Oh well there is still the inquisitor MMORPG coming up

there is? I know there is a inquistor martyr game coming up, but thats just an action RPG

yeah inquisitor is going to be an MMO ALA wow or SWTOR from the looks of it. it will have a single player mode though.

gendoikari87 wrote:
yeah inquisitor is going to be an MMO ALA wow or SWTOR from the looks of it. it will have a single player mode though.

an action RPG with a heavy online component? sounds more like it might be almost diablo 3 esque then WOW or SWTOR...

BrianDavion wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
yeah inquisitor is going to be an MMO ALA wow or SWTOR from the looks of it. it will have a single player mode though.

an action RPG with a heavy online component? sounds more like it might be almost diablo 3 esque then WOW or SWTOR...

having not played diablo i cannot confirm or deny this statement.

gendoikari87 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
yeah inquisitor is going to be an MMO ALA wow or SWTOR from the looks of it. it will have a single player mode though.

an action RPG with a heavy online component? sounds more like it might be almost diablo 3 esque then WOW or SWTOR...

having not played diablo i cannot confirm or deny this statement.

......... I didn't know people like you existed

Eh diablo never interested me